Star Wars Kabuki Theatre
https://youtu.be/jbJQcbbKazw
I have no idea what is happening, but there seems to be dance interpretations of Snoke’s guards scene in TLJ and maybe the finale with Luke? Beats me.
Thanks for reminding us that Detours existed.
I see RO was being similar to John Carenter’s The Thing, which also had a strong cast of characters, despite none of them having any clear backstory, shown or told. We learn who those character truly are through their response to the crisis in the film, and I personally think that’s so much more interesting than just a series of flashbacks
The Thing is a masterpiece, carried by a cast who are distinct with small amounts of screen time between them. They are memorable and often charismatic. RO has no such cast. And it’s the wrong genre for that sort of ensemble.
canofhumdingers said:
When he found the hallway full of rebels, he did what he routinely does in the OT and goes into action.
What he routinely does is stand behind the front line cannon fodder while they die in droves, then he steps forward to assess the damage. He doesn’t move that fast, ever, and he doesn’t use his lightsaber or the force wastefully like that. If only the way he acts was the issue… but the main problem is that he’s clearly been added in a reshoot for fan-service. Any theme of sacrifice (which was barely achieved with the blandest cast) is thrown out by a finale that cheers on the bad guy. Am I crazy is this all wrong to anyone else?
“Sheev” is Palpatine’s first name. That detail was one of Lucas’ last contributions to the lore, IIRC.
I can’t wait for the next edited release where someone says it out loud.
Well, all of JJ’s movies share a lot of similarities because he’s got an identifiable, strong personal style. But Into Darkness, save for the very poor decision to sample the ending from Wrath of Khan and invert it despite it not having any set up (or real point, considering we’d already seen at this point Khan isn’t even the real bad guy in the film, more like an antihero), had some similar problems, but it also wasn’t as incoherent from a storytelling perspective. Almost all the beats it was trying to pay off were set up and investigated at least a little. It’s not a successful film overall, but there are more effective moments in it, and those moments are more competently strung together. It’s a much more consistently constructed and executed movie than The Rise of Skywalker.
It’s still very similar though, so I think that the idea Disney “made JJ do this” is pretty unlikely. This is all very close to something he would make both in style, laughable content, lack of imagination.
Well, all of JJ’s movies share a lot of similarities because he’s got an identifiable, strong personal style. But Into Darkness, save for the very poor decision to sample the ending from Wrath of Khan and invert it despite it not having any set up (or real point, considering we’d already seen at this point Khan isn’t even the real bad guy in the film, more like an antihero), had some similar problems, but it also wasn’t as incoherent from a storytelling perspective. Almost all the beats it was trying to pay off were set up and investigated at least a little. It’s not a successful film overall, but there are more effective moments in it, and those moments are more competently strung together. It’s a much more consistently constructed and executed movie than The Rise of Skywalker.
It’s still very similar though, so I think that the idea Disney “made JJ do this” is pretty unlikely. This is all very close to something he would make both in style, laughable content, lack of imagination.
Also, how was Jyn’s origin cut? The first 10 min. or so is her backstory
The first 10 min shows her father’s history catching up with him. Her training and subsequent falling out with Saw have been dropped.
It’s impossible to be sure, after all JJ helped make Star Trek Into Darkness which is very similar.
The problem is that we are told his backstory not shown it. The same with Jyn since hers was cut. It’s the same as Anakin and Obiwan being “good friends”. We never see that. He’s in a bad place after being in the war so long? So much for TLJ being the only example of deconstruction and grey areas. Too bad our experience in the movie is him flying about with a comedy robot, and a couple of darker moments that are quickly glossed over.
They’re not real people 'cause they’re mostly CGI.
This is also true.
So really what I mean is the entire Robot vs Clone story is designed for one purpose: to allow massacres on a military scale to be sold to family audiences. It’s the last creative way possible to depict such a war. Some of it looks neat but that’s it. The same problem applies to most of the PT, since the concept artists are good at their jobs but can’t influence the real film making.
Not any more…
Now even Jakku is part of a Palpatine cultist plot.
I don’t know, both the Burning Homestead cue in TFA and the Vader unmasking bit they used here sounded distractingly identical to the scores I’ve heard so many times.
Z6PO said:
in TLJ it was a truly poetic idea.
Not any more.
Clones aren’t real people?
That’s right.
They look interesting as a design regardless though. In fact both sides in the PT look neat. Too bad they exist so that no real people die in the Clone Wars.
It’s probably CGI? So logically speaking there is no saber prop. To have a physical door melt next to the actor would require some interesting chemical choices. Maybe it’s a miniature they blue screened into the shot in post?
I like the “force Skype”, as it was called above, especially with various objects jumping between Rey’s and Kylo’s surroundings.
Wait…are you saying The Force can now instantaneously teleport objects?
It did in TLJ as well.
ALOL
Lol that’s incredible. I now have read everything on this forum 😄
Anyway guys. I’m fed up with you. You can erase my account. I’m done with this shitty saga. It died long ago. Enjoy your shitty movies and dumb blockbusters.
Malà’s death was reversed faster than Chewbacca.
Yeah I heard that Vader’s castle was there, it’s his wayfinder. But like many interesting elements that might have fleshed things out it was cut for some reason…
The underlying condition is that the LFL and Disney board members seem to have no clue when to draw certain lines and when to put real writers and real film makers to work. Why did they hire someone like Terrio? Why did they let JJ out of the director’s chair and into other areas he’s not good with? It’s baffling when you think they might have just sat down rationally and called back someone like Kasdan. Or even one of their other story group people to fix everything, it really wouldn’t have been a big job.
I need to rewatch this one, but I’m beginning to feel this is the best of the sequel trilogy. I have issues with the film, but I don’t hate it.
To me, I feel like I have the same opinion. The Force Awakens destroyed every single accomplishment in Return of the Jedi, copied the original 1977 movie, and undid Han Solo’s character growth. The Rise of Skywalker not only destroys the meaning of Anakin’s redemption and sacrifice, but also undermines this entire franchise.
The Last Jedi is awful, yes, but at least it tried to continue the story that was told in The Force Awakens, albeit badly. Thus, I consider The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker to be worse movies than The Last Jedi.
TLJ destroys Luke. So i guess they all work together against the OT characters. And for the record I never felt TFA destroyed Hans Solo, he was pretty much the Hans we knew and loved from the originals. He was a scoundrel, not really boyfriend material… And neither was Leia.
I’ve never understood this perspective that TLJ destroys Luke. He makes a mistake, overcomes it, and has a heroic death. He’s humanized, and still gets to be badass at the end.
I agree. And with real characterisation being so rare for anyone in the ST it’s looking better all the time.
SW with Half-Life sounds only
https://youtu.be/XtK5wprKnlo
I don’t think so, it’s a Warner Bros release.
Fair enough, but it just seemed plausible rather than silly given the rest of the final product.