Mike O

No OOT announcement. Shocking.

Did he ever do one for GBU, or is the BD still the Shickel one? Shame he didn't do one for OUATIA.

Say, on the subject of downmixes, did it ever come out if the mono track on the 4K Texas Chain Saw Massacre remake Blu-ray was a downmix? I remember hearing rumors, but did anything get confirmed?

What are some other movies with notorious missing mono tracks?

Do the German releases retain any of the extras? Those Frayling commentaries are solid gold.

TV's Frink said:

Dear Thread,

Sincerely,
TV's Frink

 Because we're all so desperate to believe this, however false, as it is our last hope and the one dream all of us would give anything for?

The new 4K restoration which we still aren't sure is happening?

So the German version for the first two, the new BD for GBU, the big question is DYS. I'll look at that thread. Thanks. 

I understand that there's been a mess of downmixes used on many of the releases, does that include the US BDs? Which have the proper mono and which have the downmixes? I understand that the downmix issue has been solved for the new individual release of GBU, but what about FOD, FADM, and especially DYS? Duck You Sucker seems to be the most difficult one, DVD Savant initially said that it was the original mix, but it sounds like it might be a downmix, does the Italian release have the original English mono?

towne32 said:

darklordoftech said:

timdiggerm said:

darklordoftech said:

moviefreakedmind said:

darklordoftech said:

If this article is anything to go by:

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/How-George-Lucas-Star-Wars-7-Ideas-Were-Used-By-Disney-69271.html

 What?

If they don't care about Lucas's treatments, no way they're going to care about his special editions.

 There's a huge difference between an unused script and a thing the public saw.

The OOT is also a thing that the public saw.

 Yep. This news about the script treatment confirms what that Disney is more interested in making proper decisions than appeasing George's personal wishes. Unless there really are technical hurdles making it unrealistic, I don't see why they wouldn't go the route of Blade Runner and Close Encounters and release an 'ultimate' set with all versions. 

 Because it would be too good to be true?

Fang Zei said:

towne32 said:

darklordoftech said:

timdiggerm said:

darklordoftech said:

moviefreakedmind said:

darklordoftech said:

If this article is anything to go by:

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/How-George-Lucas-Star-Wars-7-Ideas-Were-Used-By-Disney-69271.html

 What?

If they don't care about Lucas's treatments, no way they're going to care about his special editions.

 There's a huge difference between an unused script and a thing the public saw.

The OOT is also a thing that the public saw.

 Yep. This news about the script treatment confirms what that Disney is more interested in making proper decisions than appeasing George's personal wishes. Unless there really are technical hurdles making it unrealistic, I don't see why they wouldn't go the route of Blade Runner and Close Encounters and release an 'ultimate' set with all versions. 

There are two huge reasons to release the OOT on Blu-ray by the end of the year:

1. Marketing synergy with Episode 7, and

2. The fact that UHD Blu-ray is right around the corner.

To make a comparison, the GOUT hit just a few months after hd dvd and Blu-Ray debuted. That probably didn't affect sales since the format war was yet to be decided and most people were still watching dvd's on their 4:3 crt's anyway.

If the OT has in fact been remastered in 4k, that would be a pretty big reason to hold off on getting the regular 1080p transfer of it. There will be a lot more UHD "4k" tv's in people's homes by this time next year, and that many more people waiting for prices to drop so they can buy one. It would be smart for Disney/Fox to just get the OOT out there this year while 99.9% of the customers are still unaware there's a 4k blu-Ray format on the way.

 UHD Blu-ray is going to have a market penetration of like 2% though, it's not going to appeal to more than hardcore collectors. All of this is still rumor mill though. I'm not getting any younger.

TV's Frink said:

Handman said:

Danfun128 said:

Here's your local Doppler radar:

 I don't see anything.

 Just like no one sees a 4k restoration on Star Wars.

 Or sees an news about it.

captainsolo said:

If it's not the set calibration, (always calibrate! DVE or use this free set from AVS: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html) then perhaps it is the player. Check the settings and make sure there is not some option checked that causes unnecessary processing.

My old PS3 always does a great job at upscaling, but I hardly ever use this function as I'm still a CRT nut.

 My friend's PS3 used to do fantastic upscaling, no doubt because of the graphics chip. I thought about getting one, but I'm not a gamer, and the region-free issue had me tripped up. I wish there was a way to improve the graphics chip in my player, but of course there isn't short of taking it apart and putting on in, and it's just by the grace of God I'm coordinated enough to wipe myself ;). Why are you a "CRT nut?"

As far as calibration, I tried using the Disney WOW disc, but had difficulty eyeballing the colors and sharpness. I found settings online for the "movie" mode on my new plasma. Skin tones definitely look warmer and the color looks slightly more film-like, so they seem to be good. I'll have a look at that link though. Now I need to find similar settings for my other TVs. I still have a (very cheap) old CRT I try to keep around. Not sure why. Can't find settings for the other sets online with a quick search. Would probably do better if I clicked on more than three links ;).

skyjedi2005 said:

Upscaling a bad quality DVD will look bad.  Upscaling a good quality DVD will only look less bad.

Good quality DVD's are only so so, as long as you don't get closer to your set.

If you do you'll want to throw them in the trash realizing there is no real detail.

Unfortunately for many TV series and movies there are only DVD, and for others the studios screw up the Blu Ray release.

 Most TV releases are abandoning Blu altogether. The millennials' final legacy will be that we killed not only celluloid, but physical media in all of its forms. Because we haven't quite damaged the culture enough yet :(. Blu TV seasons probably don't sell at all, they're probably hedging their bets with DVD releases in the hope of moving a few more units. It might be a crappy but tolerable compromise to have a UV HD code bundled with them, but I get the sense that they aren't thinking about that. There's just so much stuff which isn't ever coming out in high-def, so I'd like to make it look presentable.

DrCrowTStarwars said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Upscaling a a bad quality DVD will look bad.  Upscaling a good quality DVD will only look less bad.

Good quality DVD's are only so so, as long as you don't get closer to your set.

If you do you'll want to throw them in the trash realizing there is no real detail.

Unfortunately for many TV series and movies there are only DVD, and for others the studios screw up the Blu Ray release.

 Oh with Tv shows, it is fine with me when it was an older show that was shot on video tape so DvD is as good as it is going to get but don't get me started on modern network shows where for some reason despite the fact that they are broadcast in HD the show only get released om DvD, CBS and ABC can be really bad about this, then they want you to pay $45 for a DvD boxset where the picture looks washed out and the sound sounds fuzzy compared to what was broadcast.  I refuse to do that, I just record the stuff off of the air, I save money and it looks better.

Some DvDs look fine but if it is a movie that is in the public domain or something, good luck finding a disc that will look good on a larger screen.

 Like I said, I think it's economics. Physical media isn't going to be around much longer, and the cheap releases are ones we're lucky to get at all.

A few n00b technical questions. When I watch HDTV, isn't it still 60 fields through pulldown like it was in the CRT days, except at 1080i? I assume most TV shows are still shot at 24 FPS (the 25 FPS conversion fiascos which frequently plague Blus aside in Europe) and the converted into what bascially like 30 FPS? If I run 720p, is it running the fields combined and just showing each one twice? Why would 24p Blu-rays be of better quality then? Is the 30 fields vs. 24 FPS a difference my eye could perceive, ala the infamous "soap opera effect?" I know I'm not seeing smooth motion interpolations, as I'm sure I'd be able to tell, but is the difference perceptible to the human eye?

Mine is a region-free modded Sony BDP S3100. Region-free is a must for me. I had my eye on the Oppo, but it's crazy expensive! And that's BEFORE the region mod. 

Even on my old 39 inch LED they looked pretty decent. 

Ryan McAvoy said:

Oh, I thought this thread was for owners of Phased Plasma Rifles in the 40 Watt range and owners of Stephen King DVDs about clowns :-(

 Oh, yes, Ryan. They float. They all float. And when you're watching an upscale DVD, YOU'LL FLOAT TOO!!

There is of late a severe dearth of useful information around here. 

I recently purchased a Samsung PN64H5000 to get a Plasma when they were on their way out. I calibrated it in "movie" mode with settings I found online, which surprisingly look very good (Now I have to find settings for other TVs, and Google isn't bringing it up first thing ;)), though I'd rather have had the Panasonic, but I waited too long. Reviews for this set seem to be solid, I'm hoping the purchase was worth the month's pay and I didn't succumb to "bigger is better." I have it connected to my U-Verse Motorola DVR and a region-free modded Sony BDP S3100 Blu-ray player (Which is turning out to be a purchase I am very much regretting-Sony's customer service is turning out to be terrible, apparently they have no plans to update it to include the HBO Go app, the CinemaNow app which was listed on the box was not included, and now the Amazon app doesn't work. But I digress.) which I bought from Bombay Electronics (Who have now twice had to send me updates to restore region-free functionality which they said would be permanent.) via HDMI. Hopefully it was a worthwhile purchase, I'm beginning to grow skeptical, and it was a month's pay. HDTV looks good (I'm running 1080/60i) and Blu-rays look good, and now that my WiFi is boosted up a bit (only 15) I can get decent HD content. However, to put it bluntly, DVDs look like shit. Instead of scaling up to 60p, the new set apparently scales up to 24p, but whereas my others sets (32 and 40 inches) look decent when upscaling, this once simply makes everything looks like there's so much noise dot crawl that frankly, it's difficult to watch. I get that the set itself is bigger, and that if it's more high-tech it will display more flaws, but is there anything in the settings I can change to mitigate this a little bit? I also understand that it's partially down to the mastering of the disc itself, but I have put in some discs with pretty good AV reviews-the Raiders of the Lost Ark disc, for instance which was reference quality back when it came out-and some of it is still pretty difficult to watch. Is there anything I can do in the settings? My bedroom is small, so I can't get very far away from the set-I'm about 18 feet or so at the moment, and since I'm not technically in the center of the room, I just use the SRS in the set, which is a little wonky. Anyhow, are there any settings I can adjust to make this a little bit more palatable to the eyes?

Suffering from the same problems, yes. As bad? Nowhere near.

My kingdom for a multi-quote button.

Harmy said:

"Attendees will be able to view the entire Prequel Trilogy in 3D (along with the Original Trilogy in non-3D) over the course of the four day event."

It's funny how they refer to 2D as non-3D. :-D

Also, could this be a surprise premiere of the newly restored OT?

 Somehow I doubt it.

TV's Frink said:

Already saw it.  My report is on Reddit.

 So no OOT? I'll try to contain my shock.

unamochilla2 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The TFN community is kind of delusional I think. Not that I'm not also delusional, but I don't really understand how someone could honestly think that there's a reason to let the original versions of Star Wars rot away into nonexistence (which I know one specific TFNer has said before)

I believe some have said that if Disney acknowledges and releases the OOT, then it will "interfere" will the saga AKA George's vision.  Even when the OOT is released on Blu-ray, I'm guessing the 2011 versions (or newer versions) will still remain as official.

 If the OOT is remastered in 4K and preserved as a 35mm negative so that future generations can see it that way, then canon can be J.J. Abrams on merry-go-round for all I care.

darklordoftech said:

It's interesting how some say that NOBODY likes the prequels yet others say that there's no demand for the OOT. 

 In spite of Mark Kermode's continued insistence to the contrary, a movie can't make billions with no on liking it. If everyone was disappointed with the first film, they would've pay to see more. The market for OOT is people like us. The market for anything and everything else with the Star Wars name on it is unlimited. If Darth Vader Takes a Shit in 3-D came out tomorrow, it would be one of the ten highest grossing films by the end of the week.

Anchorhead said:

If there's a point to the last two pages, please feel free to come to it.

 The 4K OOT isn't coming out?

thejediknighthusezni said:

         It's copywrite law that is sustaining these outmoded legacy media forms.

         The law is supposed to serve the consumers, ultimately.

Hasn't done that in any universe I've ever visited.

Handman said:

I see very little evidence that BD is dying, only that it isn't the first choice for something to be released -- but it never was in the first place, anyway.

Eventually, everything gets a physical release, and I doubt that will change so long as we keep buying them.

 Its sales are dropping pretty hard. Consumers are moving towards streaming for a variety of reasons. I have many concerns about it: digital retailers having too tight a grip on control over the prices, the possibility of stuff disappearing, and other things, but they aren't of a lot of interest to average consumers.

Beyond this and moving the broader issues that it entails, film is fundamentally a different thing. Yes, Shakespeare did change Hamlet. Yes, Tolkien did change  The Hobbit. But as long as there's a copy of the text in any fashion, it's easy to make new copies. Film is harder. Especially when the creator has hacked the shit out of the 35mm negatives.

I never said it had to be 100% true, just that it made me happy ;).

DuracellEnergizer said:

I don't, which is why I desperately want an update to the software which allows me to see my gottdanged post history.

 Based on the available evidence, any such update is unlikely ;).

Alderaan said:

Fang Zei said:

It's a sign that physical media is sticking around for at least a little longer.

 Physical media will always be around. There will always be a market for it.

Digital d/l and physical are not an either/or proposition.

 Yeah, but the market is going to become what it is in Japan: astronomically high prices for everything physical. It's already shifting that way with Twilight Time catalog titles.

I had a really bad day at work and was feelign really depressed. But then someome here actually said that 35mm looked better than 4K. And for a moment, felt better and will sleep better tonight. So thank you. 

GET THE DOS EE, DAMN YOU LIBRARY!

Looks like Middle Earth is going out with a box office bang, at least. Now for the eternal wait for the EE of BOTFA and the boxed set :(.

I need a goddamn Star Trek transporter to find all of these rare 35mm and 70mm screenings :(!

If only celluloid could have a revival like vinyl, but it doesn't go directly to the consumer.

kk650 said:

Hmm, I see what you mean Baronlando. Perhaps Synapse may have been involved in some way or taken over the task of remastering the Original Trilogy from Reliance Media, who knows? And here i'd gotten my hopes up again haha

I agree with SilverWook, I think we'll be finding out one way or another in April or maybe even on the 4th of May. Not too long to wait now. I think it'd be a nobrainer for Disney to release the 4k remastered Original Trilogy just before the release of Episode VII, when the hype for everything Star Wars is really starting to kick in, they'll make loads of money, bring Star Wars to the forefront and win back many of the older fans all in one go.

The CEO of Disney in that interview certainly seemed to think it was a good idea so here's hoping :)

 I have learned not to get my hopes up. The GOUT sufficiently taught me that. That particular link sounds like it's mostly about their horror projects. Don't get me wrong, Suspria in 2K sounds pretty, but what does it have to do with the OOT?

Fang Zei said:

Synapse is a distribution label, not a post-production house like Reliance. He was probably only mentioning them in regards to that one title. The "super secret project" is most likely one of Synapse's titles and not anything having to do with Star Wars.

Even if there's no grand announcement by April, they're gonna have to say something at the convention. These OOT blu-ray rumors have become one gigantic elephant in the room.

 I think that if they're planning something, and I'm still too pessimistic to believe it, that Disney are deliberately being very judicious about what they announce until they're 100% sure about it so as to avoid fanning a flame which already out of control. Which certainly is smart. Between Frozen, Episodes VII, and Age of Ultron, Disney are cooking with gas.

kk650 said:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=10151108&postcount=1132

Is it possible that the super secret title that they haven't announced yet refered to in this post is actually the 4k remasters of the Star Wars Original Trilogy? Reliance Mediaworks are the guys that are meant to have created 4K remasters of the original trilogy so it could very well be what they are refering to.

Which begs the question of course of what they are waiting for to announce it, perhaps until the release date of Episode VII is closer so they can generate maximum buzz for that film?

If that was the case it would be truly fantastic news! :)

Even if they are, there  are still a plethora of questions-sound mixes, mattes, color timing, and so on-to consider, so they probably want to keep quiet if they're doing it to make sure that that kind of stuff isn't going to be scrutinized before anything is even official. We've passed Christmas, so so much for the theory that they're coming out to coincide with that.

SilverWook said:

Star Wars Celebration, coming up in April, would be a good time to announce something...

 Last time the announcement was "the black bars aren't the issue fans think they are."

DuracellEnergizer said:

As it's a single trilogy, no. ;-P

There are THREE Star Wars movies!

TV's Frink said:

"I don't know what that means."

Maybe you should have kept reading.

 I did. Didn't help.

DarthShackleford said:

holy shit how is this thread still going you guys know they'll be out before next Christmas, rite?

 How on Earth do we know that?

A multiquote button, my kingdom for a multiquote button.

If they put it in a giant-ass boxed set which forces me to get the SEs and the PT, and I read that this forum that it is as it should be, I will pay almost any price for it. I won't like it, but this this is something I want badly enough to make the sacrifice.

AntcuFaalb said:

Mike O said:

So, no official line on this? I have to admit that the rumor sounded too good to be true, but I guess we'll see. I'd comb the thread, but the forum software is still such that I can't go through my old posts and then align to where they are in threads like I can on most other forums, follow a user, search for specific things, etc, and have come to the conclusion that this is just the software we're going to be stuck with :p. I'm just popping back in, I guess. It's late, hopefully this post is semi-coherent.

Nothing definitive yet, unfortunately. :o/

 Disappointing, but not unexpected.

AntcuFaalb said:

Mike O said:

Seriously, we're stuck in the Usenet era :p.

You could search Usenet by running grep over the articles you chose to download with your client. Downloading all of the articles in a newsgroup and then running grep on them gave you full newsgroup search. This is how Kibo performed his magic.

I sometimes like to think that Frink is Kibo.

DuracellEnergizer said:

The Googles do nothing!*

 

*Well, not entirely true -- searching the forums by way of Google is, more-or-less, satisfactory. Still, it is far less than perfect.

 You can do it, but it's immensely irritating and still doesn't allow you to track through users and posts like other forums do. I've sort of come to the conclusion that the software around here just sort of is what it is and isn't getting upgraded. Ever ;).

Still can't get my hope up that this'll actually happen.

nightstalkerpoet said:

They won't provide the option to select between the original SW and revised Ep 4 crawls.

That'd be easy with branching.

doubleofive said:

Not enough sound mix options.

 The discs have enough space to theoretically include all of them, but they probably won't.

ilovewaterslides said:

The color timing could quite possibly be messed up.

 It's been color-timed so many times now, who the hell knows what's correct?

NeverarGreat said:

The blacks will be crushed.

Again.

 I've heard 35mm flag-wavers say that digital has a lot of trouble with blacks.

emanswfan said:

The transfer still doesn't hold up to 1080p HD.

Again.

 If it's mastered from 4K, it shouldn't be an issue.