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SilverWook said:

Mike O said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Handman said:

What did you think about the different cuts?

The Donner cut was better — up until the end. I would’ve given it 6/10 if it wasn’t for that stupid ending.

What basically happened was, from what I understand, that they were going to use the “spin the Earth” ending for II. Once they realized it’d work better for the first film, they moved it, figuring that they’d figure something out when they got to II, but once Donner got canned, that’s all they had to fall back on.

Collipso said:

wait, so could a very kind superman fan explain to stupid old me the different cuts available for the movies and all that?

As short as possible version: The producers, the Salkinds, hired director Richard Donner because he was the flavor of the month, having come off of a hit horror film called The Omen. Donner had artistic aspirations, whereas the Salkinds were in it purely for the money. Donner brought in his own screenwriter to completely rewrite their (according to him, completely unworkable) script. Superman and Superman II were shot back-to-back as a mega production; Donner finished about 70% of the second film before locking it to finish production on the first film. It wound up being the most expensive movie ever made up to that time. It was a big box office and critical hit, but the Salkinds didn’t want to deal with Donner again, so they unceremoniously fired him, and brought in director Richard Lester to work on the sequels. Lester reshot a bunch of Donner’s scenes as well as new scenes for II to qualify for a director’s credit, so there’s tons of extra footage. Years later, they did the best they could to reconstruct Donner’s cut. There’s also an extended cut of the first film, supervised by Donner, and a TV version with a lot of extra scenes. And presumably fan edits and deleted scenes.

There’s a lot more to this-what is who’s footage, who shot what, etc.-that’s seeped into film fan lore, but this is the basic gist of it.

They also scrapped all of Marlon Brando’s footage for II over salary disputes. Superman’s Mom suddenly being the Kryptonian hologram giving advice from beyond the grave made no sense.

The Brando footage was used in the Donner Cut reconstruction, and parts of it were also used for Bryan Singer’s quasi-sequel Superman Returns.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Handman said:

What did you think about the different cuts?

The Donner cut was better — up until the end. I would’ve given it 6/10 if it wasn’t for that stupid ending.

What basically happened was, from what I understand, that they were going to use the “spin the Earth” ending for II. Once they realized it’d work better for the first film, they moved it, figuring that they’d figure something out when they got to II, but once Donner got canned, that’s all they had to fall back on.

Collipso said:

wait, so could a very kind superman fan explain to stupid old me the different cuts available for the movies and all that?

As short as possible version: The producers, the Salkinds, hired director Richard Donner because he was the flavor of the month, having come off of a hit horror film called The Omen. Donner had artistic aspirations, whereas the Salkinds were in it purely for the money. Donner brought in his own screenwriter to completely rewrite their (according to him, completely unworkable) script. Superman and Superman II were shot back-to-back as a mega production; Donner finished about 70% of the second film before locking it to finish production on the first film. It wound up being the most expensive movie ever made up to that time. It was a big box office and critical hit, but the Salkinds didn’t want to deal with Donner again, so they unceremoniously fired him, and brought in director Richard Lester to work on the sequels. Lester reshot a bunch of Donner’s scenes as well as new scenes for II to qualify for a director’s credit, so there’s tons of extra footage. Years later, they did the best they could to reconstruct Donner’s cut. There’s also an extended cut of the first film, supervised by Donner, and a TV version with a lot of extra scenes. And presumably fan edits and deleted scenes.

There’s a lot more to this-what is who’s footage, who shot what, etc.-that’s seeped into film fan lore, but this is the basic gist of it.

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Big Eyes- A blend of cutting timeless social commentary, Sirk-style melodrama and colors, and character study biopic, Big Eyes is Tim Burton’s best film in years. Terrific performances from Amy Adams and Christoph Waltz in this almost unbelievable true story about an unlikely artist and her domineering husband who built a pop art empire. Gorgeously shot, well-acted, and written with wit and sympathy, Burton abandons his usual Gothic bag of tricks for something new and more than welcome.

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ChainsawAsh said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’ve only seen Dune. It sucked, but I appreciated some of the style, so it didn’t ruin Lynch for me or anything.

Dune fails as a David Lynch movie and as an adaptation of the novel. It’s almost impressive.

Don’t let that put you off reading the book, or (assuming it’s good) seeing Denis Villeneuve’s upcoming adaptation when it materializes.

It’s long overdue for Peter Jackson-style big update.

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dahmage said:

DominicCobb said:

Ready Player One (2018) - If it’s Spielberg, I’m there. Been excited about this for awhile, at least until recently when it became clear that this would be some sort of reference fest. Fortunately, the references are mostly background stuff, but occasionally they are legitimately distracting, and with little purpose to the narrative. Still, an incredibly fun trip with some really cool set pieces. If it didn’t fumble its final message, I would have really loved it. Alas. B

Just saw this, and I agree with you. Ending was not well done for sure. But managed to be fun most of the entire runtime.

The final set piece was a blast though.

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4K restoration on Star Wars
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

If only Star Wars were treated with so much care…

2001: A Space Odyssey to have limited 70mm run for 50th anniversary

For the first time since the original release, this 70mm print was struck from new printing elements made from the original camera negative. This is a true photochemical film recreation. There are no digital tricks, remastered effects, or revisionist edits.

It’s almost as if they’re taunting us. It’s a sad world in which clarifications like this even need to be said.

When do we get a list of cinemas and showtimes?!

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Disney to buy 20th (21st) Century Fox? (Disney has now bought them - 14 Dec '17)
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Any hypothetical positives which may come with Disney purchasing 21st Century Fox are grossly outweighed by the negatives. I want Disney to lose this deal.

The possibility of getting the OOT is very, very tempting though. Not to mention FF & X-Men back at Marvel. But I do see your point.

DominicCobb said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Any hypothetical positives which may come with Disney purchasing 21st Century Fox are grossly outweighed by the negatives. I want Disney to lose this deal.

Comcast ain’t any better.

I cannot articulate my anger at Comcast right now just for not letting me log into STARZ, let along the other things they do.

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Gone in 60 Seconds and the films of H.B. Halicki Preservation
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BobaFett69 said:

RDPlissken said:

I’ve uploaded my reconstruction of original gone in 60 seconds score and closing credits to that favorite organ site.

Hello !

Is there a way to get this ?

I planned to sync a VHS audio track on the remastered video, but if yours is better quality, it would be great !

Thank you 😃

I’d assume the easiest way would be to be a MySpleen Member.

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The Seven Percent Solution- Written by Nicolas Star Trek Meyer of Wrath of Khan, The Voyage Home, & The Undiscovered Country, this Sherlock Holmes pastiche is immense fun. Meyer deconstructs the literary hero by having him detox from his cocaine addiction with Sigmund Freud. Along the way, Holmes, Watson, and Freud of course get entangled in an adventure where they must combine their intellects to solve a mystery. One of the key revelations counts as a major retcon which may not sit well with Holmes fans, but it’s an interesting choice. Director Herbert Ross keeps the film moving at an enjoyable brisk clip, Meyer’s script is witty, creative, and above all, fun, and Ken Adam’s period production design is a treat. An absolutely blast.

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Ninja: Shadow of a Tear- Average straight-to-video action fare with very much above average fight scenes. You get more bang for your buck than lots of bigger-budgeted movies, and Scott Adkins physicality makes him an excellent action star. Director Issac Florentine is no great shakes when it comes to directing drama, but has a great flair for lensing action with clean, coherent battles. Paced out with fight scenes every 10 minutes or so, it’s lots of fun if this is your kind of thing.

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SilverWook said:

Mike O said:

it has the most amazing dragon ever committed to film,

Vermithrax Pejorative would like to have a word with you? 😛

I suppose that one was commuted to celluloid and the other to pixels, so I’m technically right 😛. I don’t know, it’s hard to pick between them; Smaug has lots of personality and is really stunning, whereas VP was the most sophisticated special effect money could buy at the time. I see why George R.R. Martin loves the more feral VP. Smaug is amazing too though. I don’t know, it’s a toss-up 😉.

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I’m something of an apologist for the Hobbit movies. There Are a lot of things wrong with them, but most of them come down to massive studio interference, like the decision to do three films, and a bunch of the stuff that they added. If you watch the surprisingly candid extras on the DVDs and Blu-ray’s, you will see how insane the production was. Once del Toro Left, Jackson basically took over the project to prevent it from being added to some blockbuster hack. He had almost no time to prepare, in the movies suffered for it.

But there are good things scattered about; almost all the acting is uniformly excellent, there are frequently you some striking visuals, it has the most amazing dragon ever committed to film, and some very fun set pieces. I understand that a lot of people have problems with it, and there are a lot of legitimate criticism is to be made of it, but saying that it is Phantom Menace-level bad is frankly unfair. Given what Jackson had To work with, it is amazing that they even came out coherent.

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Escape Plan- Stallone and Schwarzenegger, together at last. This would be been the biggest film ever made back in the 90s. Now it’s a modestly-budgeted throwback action movie that deliberately evokes the 80s movies it wants to emulate. Some critics yawned, and they’re entitled to; its a couple of decades out of date. But if you’re willing to put yourself in that mindset, it can also be kind of fun watching Rambo and the Terminator try to escape a sci-fi prison run by Jesus. Some interesting bits of production design, and an enjoyably daft plot involving a futuristic prison-break. Nothing complicated, but it doesn’t intend to be, and Sly and Arnold are, at long last (Expendables excluded), a fun pairing. Vinnie Jones has another role as a brawny henchman. An enjoyable old-style action picture if you like that kind of stuff. And I do.

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Lost Soul- Fasinating documentary about off-kilter cult director Richard Stanley’s attempts to film Welles’ The Island or Doctor Moreau, which eventually transitioned into the notoriously terrible John Frankheimer film. The whole production spiraled so far out of control that it’s almost comical and sad at the same time. A look an indie outsider who got caught up in the Hollywood studio system machine. Arguably a much more interesting story than the mess of a film. If you’re interested in the filmmaking process, and how bad and out-of-control things can get, or just want to see a frankly fascinating story, check it out.

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Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle- Lightweight, but surprisingly fun little adventure flick sequel with a likable cast (excluding Kevin Hart, who may well be funny in some context, but in this one just irritates me). Zippy, knowingly silly, and full of set pieces. Four kids get sucked into a video game and are forced to play out their roles. The Rock continues to be an enjoyable charismatic scene presence, and director Jake Kasdan keeps the whole tone light. Way more fun than I was expecting.

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TV’s Frink said:

Mike O said:

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Perfect way to end the discussion.

I don’t even remember posting that, I have no clue how it got there.