Mielr

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Anyone who thinks that Star Wars has only now in 2018 “jumped the shark” has selective memory loss, and is forgetting the years 1999 and 2002 when Jar Jar Binks and a flippy jumpy Yoda graced out eyeballs, respectively. There’s honestly nothing at all in the new Disney movies that fits the phrase, especially as they hew much closer to the more grounded and believable nature of the original films. Just because you don’t like a scene or a film doesn’t make it a “jump the shark” moment.

I don’t think you’re going back far enough. Death Star II, Luke and Leia being siblings, and the Ewoks could arguably be considered “jump the shark” moments.

Yeah, nothing in ROTJ was a “jts” moment for me.

May 25th 1977 to
May 21st 1980 to
May 25th 1983

Those were the best times for Star Wars. I feel sorry for Star Wars fans who weren’t around to experience it.

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Also, since anecdotal evidence is important here I guess, everyone I’ve talked to has really enjoyed the new films (in fact I still haven’t met anyone who disliked TLJ, only people who know people who disliked TLJ). So, checkmate I guess? Is that how anecdotal-based debates work?

I called it anecdotal when I posted it. I never said I was right or that anyone else was wrong.

No, I realize you did, that wasn’t the issue. It just generally seems like a weird thing to bring up in a debate. Like, where do you go from there?

It’s an attempt to present feedback that doesn’t make it into most hardcore fan discussions because we’re in a bit of a bubble. The extreme negative feedback is part of that bubble; there are plenty of hardcore Star Wars fans who really don’t like TLJ, but I’ve never heard an overwhelmingly negative opinion from a casual fan. Worst I’ve heard is “meh”.

All I’m saying is that I’m getting lots of “meh”, which I heard during the prequel years so it’s not new, but “flying Leia was weird” is new. I’ve never had people tell me Star Wars is weird in a bad way.

That’s the thing—I mean if there was any time for SW to jump the shark it should have been in the prequel years. I think the films were awful and they haven’t aged very well, either, but there was still enough good will for the OT to sort of “forgive” the PT for what is was.

Now, I’m also in the position of not having seen SOLO and I don’t have any plans on doing so anytime soon. This is the first SW film that I won’t see theatrically, and I have no interest in seeing the next film theatrically either.

SilverWook said:

I was speaking more towards the people who think the human body blows up like a water balloon in space.

In a movie universe where spaceships and explosions can be heard in a vacuum, and often defy physics, giant slugs live inside an apparently airless asteroid, people with magical powers formally fight with improbable laser swords when a blaster would end things quicker, (see Obi-Wan vs. Grevious) and overgrown teddy bears kicked Imperial ass, Leia in space was the one bridge too far? I give up.

It wasn’t the improbability of Leia flying—we all know that films rely on suspending disbelief, and it was required many times in the OT, but it was more the TONE that struck me as so odd. The tone of the flying Leia scene was totally off, totally un-Star Wars-like, and I think that’s why so many people were like “WTF”?!

Besides, a bunch of overgrown teddy bears kicking Imperial ass is no more improbable than a bunch of under-equipped colonists beating the British Empire, no? 😉

SilverWook said:

There are no sharks in Star Wars! And nobody under 30 even knows the origin of that phrase anyway.

Also, only tv shows can jump the shark. Movies nuke the fridge.

Maybe they don’t know the origin, but they know what it means. 😉 (and, under 40 is more like it).

I didn’t know there was a separate term for films. That just reinforces my belief that it’s a good thing Spielberg didn’t direct ROTJ. 😄

SilverWook said:

Arguably, a indie short that probably never was screened theatrically isn’t going to get the same level of scrutiny as a feature film made by 20th Century Fox. I hadn’t heard that ROTN couldn’t use a Vader mask. I guess Lucasfilm objected?

How Fox got away with this, I have no idea.
https://youtu.be/8CegGbscPn0
I thought it was sleazy of them to use Star Wars this way.

I never heard about ROTN not being able to use a Vader mask, I just made an assumption, because of the carnival scenes. I assumed that they were going for a Vader look, but it looked more like a welder’s mask.

LOL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEFi7sGQK6A

They probably got away with the “A long time ago…” in the Mischief trailer because it was more parody, and probably not a copyright issue. Both films were FOX, so I guess they both could have gotten permission, if Lucasfilm was also ok with it?

It’s not something I thought would ever happen. Even with the prequels, it didn’t feel like SW was getting anywhere near jumping the shark. I guess partly that’s because there had been such an long gap between the OT and the PT. But I think now a lot of people are feeling a sense of overkill.

I was watching a TV show the other day, and they were discussing the possibility of Hillary Clinton running for president a 3rd time. A comedian on the show said something like “we need another Hillary candidacy like we need another Star Wars sequel.” The audience groaned, but it made me think: in the minds of the general public, has Star Wars finally “jumped the shark”?

SilverWook said:

I think I know what you’re talking about. It was one of those odd little film shorts HBO used to run in between movies in the 80’s.

I don’t remember this short, but I also remember when HBO used to show short films between features. Seems like now they just show ads. 😦 I remember one in particular that was like a ghost story—it was kind of interesting.

I’m surprised they were able to use a Vader mask, for copyright reasons. They couldn’t even use one in Revenge Of The Nerds. 😛

Some interesting stuff, including Han’s prop blaster. They also had the “bad Superman” costume from Superman III:

http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions/2018/hollywood-legends/Hollywood-Legends-Flipping-Book/

The auction results, if you’re curious:

http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions/2018/hollywood-legends/results.html

Han’s blaster sold for over half a million dollars! 8-O

DominicCobb said:

LukeWarmTaunTaun said:

4. How does Obi-Wan not remember R2?

He doesn’t say he doesn’t remember. Also, the prequels were not in mind when they made the original.

He said: “I don’t seem to remember ever owning a droid”

?

Mocata said:

Turd? Shocking language.

…I’d expect something a lot stronger considering this place being dedicated to undoing his juvenile vandalised version of a film series.

Yeah, I seem to recall him being called a lot worse in the 12 years I’ve been hanging around here. 😉

Frank your Majesty said:

I hate all names that rely on the ’ to make them interesting.

Yeah, I find that obnoxious as well. That started with the prequels, didn’t it?
I mean, the apostrophe is supposed to be replacing a letter…what letter is it replacing?!
😛

Two other Kiras:

GZK8000 said:
And this seems to be Boba Fett’s first public appearance:

^^^ For anyone who hasn’t seen it yet, there’s footage of that parade: https://youtu.be/s_Z41PUzHW8

FOR SALE: One slightly used movie studio, searchlights included. Local pickup only.

DominicCobb said:

Han never pilots the Falcon in ROTJ.

He does pilot it, we just don’t see him (when they leave Tatooine, though Chewie is probably doing most of
the piloting because of Han’s condition).

oojason said:

Mielr said:

I’m not sure where to post this as I can’t seem to find any of the old “soundtrack” discussions, but I notice that the new RETURN OF THE JEDI CD release is the original 1983 version (YAY!!!) and I’m wondering if anyone has had the opportunity to compare the sound quality to the old Anthology set and the 2-disc sets?

https://smile.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Original-Picture-Soundtrack/dp/B07CNBSQSW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526887764&sr=8-1&keywords=RETURN+OF+THE+JEDI+CD

There are a few soundtrack and audio discussions listed in the Index for this section of the site - in the ‘Theatrical Cuts vs. Subsequent Releases’ Index, and in the ‘Star Wars Preservation’ Index too mate 👍

Nice one that it’s the original '83 version 😃
 

Thanks a bunch! I was a bit shocked when I saw that the CD actually contained “Lapti Nek” and “Ewok Celebration.” 8-O That’s the first time they’ve been released on CD since the SEs.

[GZK8000 said:]

Why is he wearing his Throne Room outfit? Jeez…blow up the DS and he can’t even get the weekend off! 😛

I’m not sure where to post this as I can’t seem to find any of the old “soundtrack” discussions, but I notice that the new RETURN OF THE JEDI CD release is the original 1983 version (YAY!!!) and I’m wondering if anyone has had the opportunity to compare the sound quality to the old Anthology set and the 2-disc sets?

https://smile.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Original-Picture-Soundtrack/dp/B07CNBSQSW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526887764&sr=8-1&keywords=RETURN+OF+THE+JEDI+CD

I hate it when people complain that Mark Hamill’s acting in the OT is “whiny” when they try to use it to defend the crappy prequel acting.

I notice that none of them say “a new hope.” 😉

The reels laying down on the top left look like they might be 35mm — (trailers, perhaps?)

GZK8000 said:

From the r/StarWars thread:

no, these aren’t negatives. camera negative is generally stored horizontally in separate plastic/aluminum cans within a temperature controlled vault. these are release prints. also, some are listed as being flat (1.85:1) which is either incorrect or some of these are matted prints for certain territories or facilities that couldn’t project anamorphic content.

Another user:

If i had to guess, these would be 16mm reduction prints. Likely for Theatre distribution. A 16mm feature film fits on 3 reels rather than the 6 that 35mm takes up. Also the boxes are the width of 3 16mm reels.

These are definitly not 35mm prints or original negatives.

Those people are right—these aren’t the original negatives, or interpositives or internegatives. These are just used prints.

The original elements for SW are in the salt mines, underground, in a temperature-controlled climate.

ChainsawAsh said:

Mielr said:

SilverWook said:
Really? I don’t think you’ve met my friend Laserdisc. The 1993 THX LD mix can even give a modern home theater system a workout.

I was just going to say that—I think the '95 Faces LDs (same sound as '93 LDs) sound fantastic, in all respects (including the score).

SilverWook said:
This is pretty interesting. I was aware of the fact that Luke was Starkiller in the shooting script, but I had no idea they actually shot scenes with it.

I wish this would be released, I’d love to see it.

I guess Mark’s memory is selective–he didn’t seem to recall shooting the lightsaber construction scene for ROTJ. 😉

To be fair, that scene isn’t really him constructing it anyway, he’s making a small tweak at most. He might have been assuming people were talking about a scene where he builds it all from scratch.

That could be. Here are the clips, btw:
Fan asking if he remembers scene:
https://youtu.be/XczClAxhCEM
Mark introducing clip at Celebration V:
https://youtu.be/eCVjnllIe2s

DuracellEnergizer said:

lovelikewinter said:

Does anyone else refuse to call Star Wars “A New Hope”?

I call it “SW” here, “SW '77” elsewhere.

Same here.

SilverWook said:
Really? I don’t think you’ve met my friend Laserdisc. The 1993 THX LD mix can even give a modern home theater system a workout.

I was just going to say that—I think the '95 Faces LDs (same sound as '93 LDs) sound fantastic, in all respects (including the score).

SilverWook said:
This is pretty interesting. I was aware of the fact that Luke was Starkiller in the shooting script, but I had no idea they actually shot scenes with it.

I wish this would be released, I’d love to see it.

I guess Mark’s memory is selective–he didn’t seem to recall shooting the lightsaber construction scene for ROTJ. 😉

SilverWook said:
And you never noticed this guy keeps popping up in Bond movies? 😉

Yeah, that guy looks familiar. 😉