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#158765
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Another prequel vs. OT Discrepancy
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Actually, the novelization hints at a different scenario:

He looked down at their intertwined fingers. "Leia…do you remember your mother? Your real mother?"

The question took her totally by surprise. She'd always felt so close to her adopted parents, it was as if they were her real parents. She almost never thought of her real mother-that was like a dream. Yet now Luke's question made her start. Flashes from her infancy assaulted her- distorted visions of running…a beautiful woman…hiding in a trunk. The fragments suddenly threatened to flood her with emotion.

"Yes," she said, pausing to regain her composure. "Just a little bit. She died when I was very young."

"What do you remember?" he pressed. "Tell me."

"Just feelings, really…images." She wanted to let it slide, it was so out of the blue, so far from her immediate concerns…but somehow so loud inside, all of a sudden.

"Tell me," Luke repeated.

She felt surprised by his insistence, but decided to follow him with it, at least for the time being. She trusted him, even when he frightened her. "She was very beautiful," Leia remembered aloud. "Gentle and kind-but sad." She looked deeply into his eyes, seeking his intentions. "Why are you asking me this?"
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#158693
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Why Leia remembers Padme but Luke doesn't
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158693/action/topic#158693
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"while leia remembers her every sparkling detail."

Uhm...

"Just...images, really. Feelings. She was very beautiful. Kind, but...sad. Why are you asking me all this?"

Are these the "sparkling details" you refer to?

Keep in mind, also, that Yoda and Palpatine, arguably far stronger in the Force than Luke, missed crucial details of the future. Vader, born of the Force, didn't notice his daughter right in front of him TWICE, and almost shot down his own son!

You expect far more of Force use than it has ever observed to be used in the films.

"Even if they were feelings, the term memory implies that they're not recurring hallucinations of some beautiful woman she can't identify,"

First of all, what do you know about force visions? Considering wht you call "sparkling details", any other conclusions you might come up with about the implication of certain terms are suspect. She calls them "memories" because that's what they seem like to her. Immediately after this, she states
"You have a power I--I don't understand and could never have." ...so why on earth would she call them anything other than what they appear to be to her? You are completely ignore her frame of reference here.

We, the audience, know they are Force visions. She does not.

"She wouldn't even know who that woman was unless Padme could talk to leia."

Sigh.....

LUKE: Leia! Leia's my sister.

BEN: Your insight serves you well.
LUKE: Yes. It's you Leia.

LEIA: I know. Somehow...I've always known.


The clues are RIGHT THERE in the dialogue. Just as she "knows" Luke is her brother, she also "knows" that the visions of the woman she sees are of her "real" mother. The Force gives knowledge, but the user may not always be aware of where the knowledge is coming from. This is what gave Anakin his "fast reflexes" in pod-racing - he received glimpses of the future.

I might also remind you that Luke sensed something "familiar" watching him on Dagobah. Since the PT makes it abundantly clear that Luke was not born on or taken to Dagobah prior to ESB, then the familiarity was with Yoda, who later explained he'd been watching Luke for a long time. (Thank God that little theory got put to rest.)

The point being, Luke "knew" something, but didn't know exactly what it was.
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#158671
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Idea: Sifo Dyas removal from AOTC?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158671/action/topic#158671
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"I think it's a little far-fetched that Lama Su would accept an order from "the Emperor of the galaxy" when no such position existed. I know
the Kaminoans are supposed to be out of touch, but..."

I have to agree with Rebel Scumb. "The Emperor" sounds fine (and no one said anything about "Emperor of the known galaxy.) It's not like the Kaminoans double checked on Sifo, and this was for the Army of the Republic, no less.

As Obi-wan's friend said...they will do what you want if you have the money. Why should they care what the outcome is (which they obviously didn't even with Sifo-Dyas.)

Heck...it would be cool if you could get the Kaminoans to say this was Order number 66.
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#158636
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Idea: Sifo Dyas removal from AOTC?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158636/action/topic#158636
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LOL. Believe me, it's a compliment.

"Would take some doing but would be interesting. a sure fire way that the audence knows exactly who they're talking about but the jedi don't look as dumb"

That's actually a FANTASTIC idea, since we find out later in the next film who "The Emperor" is (quite unlike the half-assed "Sifo Dyas" character.) It would also make for some great foreshadowing about where Palpatine is headed.
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#158634
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Why Leia remembers Padme but Luke doesn't
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158634/action/topic#158634
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"Luke spent more time with Padme than Leia. In fact, Leai never even came as close to Leia as her feet. And, as Padme died, Luke was right beside her. WTF was Lucas thinking?"

You presume it had anything to do with the actual experiences of the babies. They are just babies, you know. Obi-wan told us everything we need to know.

Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future... the past. Old friends long gone.


This is what allows her to see her mother, not infant memories. Since she still denies having Force abilities at this point (despite "hearing" Luke at Bespin), she thinks these visions are memories.

Luke didn't have visions of his mother, and Leia certainly didn't have any visions of her father. In this respect, they are quite equal.




Man...now I remember why I got burned out on T.n.
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#158610
Topic
Another prequel vs. OT Discrepancy
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158610/action/topic#158610
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"Yes, but I just don't think he would just "forget" about essential plot elements that easily."

But surrounding himself with "yes" men during the writing of the PT, much of which was still written on the fly throughout the filming, makes it much easier for such problems to creep in. Try reading the Annotated Screenplays sometime, and see how much back-and-forth there was between Lucas and his group. This is what kept everything in focus, especially for ANH (the early writings were quite laughable.) ROTJ, my least favorite of the OT, is when Lucas really starts going solo, leading to two death stars to begin with, and a rescue sequence that foreshadows his PT ideas about reasonable cause and effect.

"Plus, Tarkin likely assumes that Obi-Wan must have been killed in that 19 year time period between ROTS and ANH, given what we know about the empire's hunt during that time, for the remaining Jedi who survived the purge."

And the fact that he, as well as Yoda, have apparently done nothing in the intervening years. In the novelization, Ben hints at other surviving Jedi who would probably not bother to assist Luke if he needed it.