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Well, if you simply want to watch the films, that's fine. If you want "features" such as optical/coaxial digital out (not to mention AC3), then no, they are not fine. Since this thread is about making bootlegs from the best source possible, buying one of these would not be recommended.

Besides, once you have them on DVD, what is good about having the "tank", really?
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"MeBeJedi, what hardware did you use for your comparison? Considering most people swear they are the exact same transfer (and others claim the Faces set, which was released later on, had been cleaned up further) I'm very surprised to read your results. One possibility: the differences you mention could very well be a quality difference in the output of your laserdisc players, rather than a difference on the discs themselves. Have you tried swapping them and doing the test again?"

I did swap them out. I only have one player. I was going to replace the scene from my "Faces" disc with the DefCol. because there were a few seconds of blips I wanted to cover over. Just for kicks, I put them side-by-side in Vegas, and I could see a tremendous difference. I'll try to post a screencap. What's the command for posting a pic here?
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Well, I just got done doing a side-by-side split-scren comparison of my "Faces" and DefCol disks (the scene where Luke leaves Dagobah) and I am very surprised. The DefCol is much cleaner, with more contrast, a deeper black level, and much better detail. I may have to go back and redo ANH sooner than I thought. Good thing I haven't started compiling my ESB DVD yet.

Although, I'm a little sad, because my DefCol of ROTJ has some speckles here and there, which are most noticeable in the darker scenes (i.e. end of ROTJ, which I love.) Oh well.
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Wow, that link has a lot of details. Sony Vegas already automates a lot of that stuff for me, and lets me keep audio and video in sync (replacing analog with digital PCM, and then adjusting for speed-up. I don't know why this happens, but it's a minor annoyance now.)

You know, I've downloaded the "Holiday Special" as a .RM file, but I've never had the nerve to watch it. I guess I'll save it for a day when I feel suicidal, so that I can compare my situation to something worse.

Laserman, did you get my PM?

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"- I use my REAL and VERY cool Trilogy Laser Discs. Yes that's right I watch the Laser Discs!"

I actually enjoy doing that too, buthaving had replace several laserdisc players (being too expensive to fix) I'd like to have a DVD backups for future viewings (two young children, ya know. )

"I stopped calling the 16:9 encodes we do Anamorphic since it is a different process done with different equipment than Hollywood. I could be mistaken, but IIRC, they scan the film image frame by frame at the highest possible resolution into something and the shape is changed at that point. So they create a digital master that is truly Anamorphic. I don't know where they do color correction and cleanup. I guess they do it to their digital master, but I have no idea. Anyway, Anamorphic actually has to do with the shape of a camera lens."

Well, I apologize in advance for the long article, but it no longer exists on the web (I emailed the author for the html page.) Lucas' reference comes at the end.
DYE TRANSFER

A NEW OPTIMISM

Mention “dye transfer” to most anyone in the publishing industry and they’ll tell you it’s obsolete. Ask commercial printers about it and they’ll declare it passé. Raise the subject with a group of fine-art photographers and printers—even Hollywood filmmakers—and you’re likely to get a different opinion.

At least that was the conclusion at an autumn weekend retreat in Vermont hosted by fine art photographer Luke Powell. Over 30 past and present dye printers and photographers from all over North America, Germany and Australia took Powell up on his invitation. A typical conversation-starter was, “Where were you when you heard…?” The question concerned Kodak’s abrupt decision in 1993 to pull the plug on the manufacture of dye transfer products, leaving some 500 photographers and technicians without a source of the materials they depended on for their livelihood.

That decision is still keenly felt among practitioners. The intensity of their response is remarkable, even more so considering the investment dye transfer requires—and not just in terms of money. The process, also known as dye imbibition, starts by creating tricolor separation negatives from a transparency. Exposing each negative onto a specially-coated film creates three bas-relief images called matrices, the degree of relief proportional to the exposure they receive. The matrices are soaked in complementary acidic dye baths and rolled in register onto special photographic paper secured to a pin-register board. The pH difference between the dye and the paper aids the transfer of the dye. It’s a painstaking process that takes years to master.

So why, in this age of instant gratification, would anyone cling to this technology? For one thing, it gives enormous control over color density and balance. And it yields an archival print of spectacular richness and longevity. Bob Pace, a respected authority on color print processes for two generations of photography professionals, is a fervent believer: “I have made over 25,000 dye transfer prints and nothing I have seen in all this time has shaken my feelings about this process.” And Kodak’s dye transfer guru Frank McLaughlin, who taught the process over the phone to generations of image-makers until his retirement in 1986, states simply, “The dye transfer product is the most manageable, most color-pure, most true-to-life photographic product ever invented.

In The Wake of Dye Transfer’s Demise

In 1993 National Public Radio (NPR) aired a pivotal piece by Rachel Maurer reporting on Kodak’s decision and its impact on dye transfer practitioners. Her follow-up article, “The Demise of Dye Transfer”, published in View Camera magazine, chronicled the ways in which photographers and others responded to the news. Some went into debt to purchase Kodak’s remaining supplies, either to finish projects or to stockpile for future use. Others sought new technologies.

And then there was Dr. Jay Paterson, a psychologist and dye transfer aficionado, who now introduces himself as “the fellow from Houston who was driving around a few years ago, heard the NPR piece on my car radio, and got this idea to see what I could do.” That idea soon germinated into active research and development of new materials. With cooperation from Kodak, Paterson began to achieve good results, gaining attention among dye folks.

In the meantime, John Wawrzonek, a high-end photographic printer, saw digital technology as the future. As possible alternatives to dye transfer, he began exploring UltraStable™, a modern tricolor process, and EverColor™ Pigment Transfer, a four-color separation process based on technology used in the graphic arts industry. Others, however, scoffed at the output. Maurer’s article quoted photographer Dennis Ivy’s opinion that an EverColor print “looked like a plastic place-mat.”

Catching Up on Dye Transfer Developments

The Vermont weekend was at first glance a simple gathering of like-minded people. Dye transfer photographer Ctein traveled from San Francisco simply because “we’ve always been a close-knit community, but most of us have never met face-to-face. This is our grand opportunity.” Even more, it was a chance for people to check out the latest in dye transfer product development. Dr. Paterson, for example, related that he had linked up with chemist John DaSilva of Kilborn Photo Products, Inc., in Iowa, to develop materials. Paterson has formed a company in Houston called Dye Transfer Corporation, or DTC. Matrix film and three types of paper have been tested and are now commercially available. The razor-edge sharpness needed for highly technical images is not where Paterson would like it to be, but he expects to be able to correct that with a thinner base “for those of you who wouldn’t mind some polyethylene in the product.” DTC has also released dyes for testing. “We looked at about 50 yellows and 20 cyans and magentas to arrive at where we are,” Paterson states, noting that the dyes he finally selected are similar to Kodak’s but “a bit on the warmer side.”

Do the materials do the job? “Absolutely,” affirms Nino Mondhe of Hamburg, Germany, who owns one of the few remaining dye transfer labs in Europe and remains committed to the process. He’s tested Paterson’s film and papers extensively and is pleased. “The film is good. It’s slightly slower than the Kodak and a hair thinner, but it works very well. The paper is also good.”

Two of Paterson’s ongoing projects are designed to make dye transfer viable for a larger population. One is to produce a less-costly proofing paper by changing to a more common base, but with the same receiver sheet on top to ensure consistency between the final print and the proof. Another is to marry dye transfer with digital imagery. “We want to be able to scan a transparency and produce intermediate output on matrix film or something similar, or expose matrix film directly from a digital file. We’re working on a machine that can do that in perfect registration up to 30 X 40.”

Already blending digital technology with dye printing is inventor Jim Browning, president of Digital Mask, a New Hampshire color photographic print house. In 1993 he began to develop his own materials so he could continue doing dye transfer and still compete commercially with less expensive processes such as Iris™. Browning has invented his own formulations as well as a small-scale sheet coater, all of which he intends to keep in the public domain. Browning claims he can “go from start to finish in three hours” with a machine he built using tricolor lasers that doubles as a scanner and film recorder. “I use the RGB lasers to produce a high-quality scan. Then I use Live Picture™, an application that allows selective modification of the image. I take that file and, using the laser, record each image one at a time in register on 8 X 10 T-Max™ film, then develop them all at once.” Explaining his decision to go digital, Browning states, “You can’t just dodge-and-burn with dye transfer; you have to use masking. Digital technology makes that more practical. Also people often start with digital files today. So this approach makes it possible for me to serve the markets of both digital artists and fine-art photographers.”

Checking Out the Alternatives

The Vermont gathering also gave people a chance to learn how newer technologies are faring and to inspect images offered by printers like Wawrzonek. Ultrastable never did become one of his tools, as it turned out. “Getting consistent results was hard,” he explains, “and depended on things like the pH of the water. By the time we finally learned to live with that, they’d changed the materials to fix the problem.” Then he took a second look at EverColor, decided its colors were better than Ultrastable’s, and changed his focus. When EverColor asked him to run their operation, they merged with Wawrzonek, renaming the company EverColor Fine Art and relocating it to Worcester, Massachusetts.

Wawrzonek’s primary tool is Luminage™, a process that combines tricolor laser exposure using Cymbolic Sciences’ LightJet 5000™ image-setter with Color Savvy’s color management system and FujiColor™ paper for longevity. Frank McLaughlin, in “From Daguerreotype to Digital,” writes that Luminage is “perhaps the first successful marriage of the new technologies. The result is large format (50” X 50”) printing with very high resolution and color quality combined with predictable color.”

As Wawrzonek looks to the future, he sees a merger of inkjet technology and pigments, which can have higher color quality and greater longevity than dyes. He’s encouraged by preliminary announcements of next-generation piezoelectric inkjet printers from Epson-Seiko, Calcomp and others promising improvements in resolution, color quality, longevity and ability to print on a range of surfaces. While he is still dissatisfied with the quality of inkjet images, he believes it’s just a matter of time before “you can do anything with inkjet that you’d want to do with dye transfer.”

Wawrzonek also believes the development of digital imaging is at a high level that will continue to improve. For one thing, he says, “Color management software has brought us to a place where we don’t have to commit to the printer at the time of the scan; we convert the file to the printer of choice just before going to print.” Because he still believes dye transfer has the edge when it comes to color range and intensity, Wawrzonek intends to explore new ways to marry dye and digital. He’d like to be able to give photographers the opportunity, for example, “to bring us the transparency, have us make the separation negatives for them digitally, create the matrices and roll their own prints.” He’s also been considering the possibility of offering a matrix service, using an image-setter to expose the matrices directly from a digital file. The downside, he explains, is that it becomes more expensive to replace worn matrices. “When you have separation negatives, you can go back any time and make another set of matrices. If you’ve gotten your matrices from a matrix service and they wear out, you have to go back to the image-setter.”

The Response: Wait and See

What lies ahead for practitioners of dye transfer and other forms of fine art photographic printing? A wait-and-see attitude predominates. Optimism for Dr. Paterson’s products is tempered by fresh memories of being stranded once before by a sole source. Only Jim Browning—who has taken product sourcing into his own hands—is confident he can continue with dye transfer as long as he chooses. Image-makers are grappling with all the factors likely to influence dye transfer’s ultimate survival: practicality, attitudes towards artisanship, marketability, marriage to digital technology, and acceptability of alternatives.

Practicality is a consideration of time and expense. Noted portrait photographer David La Claire, for example, who began making dye portraits with his father 47 years ago, has decided with his daughter not to continue the dye business into a third generation for practical reasons. Others have made the decision to make prints that aren’t quite as good, but expect to sell more because “I don’t have to spend my entire life printing.” And in terms of cost, some feel Paterson’s dye transfer materials are out of their range. Yet Jim Browning reports that few have expressed interest in his do-it-yourself solutions.

Looking ahead to current and future generations, many wonder if dye transfer will die along with other painstaking artisanal processes. Browning, however, believes the process is no more intimidating than other artistic media and warns, “If you end up using digital to save time, you get garbage.” Andy Cross, an Australian dye printer, agrees the practice will continue: “If you can imagine that in 50 years people will still be interested in learning how to paint or sculpt, which are much more arduous, then chances are people will still be interested in learning dye transfer.”

Survival may also depend on how much dye transfer prints are valued in the marketplace. Some feel it’s a matter of making buyers aware of the differences so they can come to appreciate them. Others maintain that collectors will always see inherent value in the prints because dye transfer is a rare, classic process. And many are heartened by news of the resurgence of Technicolor™, the cinematic version of dye transfer (see related story), hoping the fine art market will benefit as public awareness grows. On the other hand, many feel that buyers don’t care about technology, but will simply buy what they like. John Wawrzonek states, “Dye transfer doesn’t make or break most images. Anyone who looks only at dye transfer will likely miss many of the most important developments in fine art printing.”

For many, the greatest hope lies in the marriage of dye transfer and digital technology, permitting a savings of time and expense. Luke Powell predicts, “If somebody can provide at a reasonable cost a set of matrices from a digital scan then a lot of people can set up. It’s cheap and easy to do. I can easily imagine a thousand people across the U.S. rolling their own prints.”

Regardless of all other factors, the future of dye transfer may ultimately depend on the ability of other technologies to clear the hurdle of output quality. Expectations differ sharply about whether digital can ever match dye transfer—or at least come acceptably close—in the end result. Gerald Storey, a Sacramento dye printer and photographer, comments, “I think digital printing will develop in speed and affordability. But its robotic sharpness is disconcerting—the world just isn’t that sharp.” Guy Stricherz, owner of the CVI Laboratory in New York City, states unequivocally that he will do dye transfer or no color at all, explaining, “Classic continuous tone optical mechanical printing is our specialty. For color, that means dye transfer—its intrinsic beauty and luminosity are unsurpassed.”

Others, like Powell, are more amenable to digital alternatives. He sees Luminage as a way to produce “an image of museum quality that will last longer than your grandchildren, available for $200-$500 instead of $1000.” Fine-art photographer Jim Wallace, who admits he came to Vermont to shop around, is also encouraged: “Computers give us the resolution we need and the ability to manipulate at least as much as dye transfer if not more, but we haven’t had decent output. Now John Wawrzonek—first with EverColor, then with Luminage—is closing the gap.”

As fine-art photography professionals wait for that gap to narrow, where will they turn in the meantime? Richard Jackson of Flagstaff, Arizona, is a fine-art printer who has carried his knowledge of dye transfer into the realm of Ilfochrome™ with stunning results. After examining his portfolio, more than a few people now see Ilfochrome as a worthy alternative, Wallace and Storey among them. “I’d never considered it before, but then I saw Richard’s prints—absolutely beautiful,” raves Wallace.

The Bottom Line

The question for dye transfer printers is whether or not they will choose to see themselves in a more generic light: as creators of fine art prints who take advantage of whatever tools, technology and materials exist. But the bottom line—for them as well as for those who buy their work—remains the uncompromised quality of the image. Frank McLaughlin sums it up best as he reflects on the Vermont gathering: “Museums, image collectors, designers, archivists—anyone who can see the difference between good and poor imagery—should care what happens here. In today’s world of screaming TV advertising, poor-quality periodical publication and generally deteriorating visual taste, well-made images of pleasing color have become like pearls to the eyes of those who have learned to see.”

SIDEBAR: The Re-Emergence of Technicolor™

Dye transfer printers are elated at recent indications that Technicolor—the cinematic version of dye transfer—is returning to the big screen. The re-release of Giant in 1996, the first American-printed Technicolor feature film in 21 years, has heightened interest in its revival within the film industry.

Technicolor is also called IB printing (for “imbibition”, after the photographic term “dye imbibition”). Technicolor, Inc., ended IB printing in the U.S. in 1974. Technicolor London closed its operation in 1977, but not until they’d made five IB prints of Star Wars for George Lucas.

The restoration of the Star Wars trilogy brought IB printing back to the forefront. According to Leon Briggs, who worked with Lucasfilm on the restoration for over two years, the original negatives had faded only 5 - 15%, well within normal range. But he explained that George Lucas wanted the original color in the restored version. Lucasfilms technicians were able to accomplish this goal for Star Wars, but only because they had an IB print to use for color reference.


I have more articles on this, if anyone's interested.

"1.) Do you split the movies in half like I did on my 2 disc versions and have the authoring software join the two halves together?
2.) Do you keep the movie as one big file and let the authoring software split it?
3.) Can you tell the authoring software where to make the layer break?"


Good questions. All I know about the format is that it's possibly in DVD +R format. On regular 4.7 DVD's, I've seen some bootlegs where each layer was a separate file on the DVD, and had to be accessed manually (how lazy!) I can't imagine why you couldn't designate the split point, but such specialized software might mean we can't use our old, favorite programs with the new hardware (or, at least, not without buying an upgrade. )

"Also, mine have very simple menus with no THX logo. I didn't want a THX logo on my discs or covers as THX wasn't involved in creating the DVD's. I'm not knocking them, but I think they would be insulted to have their logo displayed on something homemade."

I had kinda the opposite reaction. I put in the THX Lucasfilm logo "Let's see it in THX" as kind of a silent "Where's the O-OT on DVD, George?" protest, though I understand your concerns about THX.

"ll of the Star Wars films are 2.35:1 instead of 1.78:1."

Yep. I put my Greedo subtitles in the lower bars.

So, which software is being used to put up screencaps? I'd like to show some examples, if anyone's interested.
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"Regardless of what you're doing...a remixed and compressed 5.1 remix will NEVER sound better than a PCM 2.0 if that was its original format."

First of all, it's not any more "remixed" than that which you listen to on your PLII receiver. I've not doctored anything.

Secondly, it's kinda funny, because I've never claimed anything along the lines of my soundtrack sounding greater or worse. ou seem to be an expert on a soundtrack you've not even heard

"Drop the attitude. I've been nothing but nice on this forum and I'm doing a big service to the fans. Just because I'm challenging what YOU are doing, don't get nasty."

Why oh WHY do people create 5.1 tracks. THERE IS NO 5.1 TRACK!!!!!!!!!!! LEAVE IT ALONE!!!!!!!

The Def. Collection is the same transfer as the faces laserdisc. *sigh* Do you know what you're doing?


That's funny. I read two, very definite slams in your inital post to mine, which simply explained what I had done. Is this what you consider "nice"? Treating people who "mess" with your precious PCM soundtrack like they killed your favorite kitten? You were so anxious to put down my project that you didn't even realize my question implied the fact that the Def. Col. and "Faces" sets were the same transfer. I've yet to see what "service" was really being given here. Everyone else seems to be able to respond in an amiable manner to what I talked about. You might consider following their lead, instead of getting "nasty" yourself.

"I think all he was saying is that he is mixing up his mix from a 2.0 source much the same way the sound team at Lucasfilms mixed up theirs. But I honestly don't care about all that."

Agreed. It formed the basis for the 5.1 remix (which didn't just "pop" into existence on its own, ya know), but was not the remix in and of itself. Obviously, it was touched up beyond that for the LD and theatrical releases, which is more than I did for mine. You want to scream at someone for altering the soundtrack, go scream at Ben Burtt and Gary Summers.
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"This is not a bad idea, but you are assuming that your PL decoder/encoder is better than the one the end user would be using."

I made no "assumptions", I simply want to see how good a job I could do at this moment. These discs were only intended for me. If, in the future, I get a PLII reciever and a dual-layer DVD burner, then I'll go back to the digital PCM. I guarantee this will not be the last time I attempt to make SW DVD's.

Right now, I enjoy listening to my Star Wars DVD in DD 5.1. Is that really so bad?
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"the "faces" set comes in 2 discs, while the definitive edition comes in 3. I assume that the def ed has better image quality since it is on more data "

But the "data" is the same. The running length is also the same. The only difference is how it is recorded onto the disc (more specifically, the rotational speed of the disc). This only aides in pausing still images (among other effects, such fast forward, etc.) The "Faces" set was the last version created just prior to the SE's, and as far as I can tell, has a cleaner picture (not by a tremendous margin, but it's there.)

Of course, my Def. Col. ROTJ set shows some occasional "spotting", easily seen in darker scenes. It's not horrible, but my Faces set has no visual problems. It's also easier to record, having only two discs (and my 701 has auto-flipping...much easier to make one big .avi file - 30 Gbs!)
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"I personally wasn't interested in a 16:9 version as I use a CRT projector stack and project onto a 12 foot wide screen.
CRT projectors areinherently 4:3 devices, so that is where my bias comes in. Also on a screen that size you do see the quality drop in the conversion to 16:9, small as it is."


True, but after some experimentation, I found that using 3-2-2-3 pull-down on my AVI master made a slight improvement, so I made the footage progressive. It looks pretty nice on my neighbor's 60 inch widescreen tv.

"To the guys that are using there digicams to digitise the footage, it is a nice and easy method, but they are not the best quality wise, and you are also throwing away a lot of chroma resolution by downsampling to 4:1:0 before then re-transcoding it AGAIN to DVD.
Ideally You really want to come in to an uncompressed stream, that retains full chroma resolution. (4:4:4)"


Agreed, but this is just the first step in a continuing line of improvements I intend to make. Since I wanted a digicam anyways for home videos, I thought I'd kill two birds with one stone. After buying that, two 160 and one 250 GB hard drives, and a laserdisc player (my third, don't ask), I figured I'd see what I could do so far. In the future, I'd like to get a high-end model video-capture card, but using dedicated hardware to capture/convert the footage seemed a decent place to start.

"As for the soundtrack, from my reading, the SE versions have had a full remix done from the original multitude of mono and stereo tracks, but I will wait and see what the sound is like."

Maybe I should clarify....I was referring to the SE LD's, not the upcoming SE DVD's. The LD's were done strictly from analog sources. Burtt has digitized all known audio sources (save an occasional line of dialogue or foley effect) to remix the DVD soundtracks.
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"Part of the problem with EVERY bootleg that has come out is precisely what you're doing. There's NO reason to remix to 5.1 because it never sounds good."

All I am doing is hard-coding the Pro-logic II soundtrack that you would normally get from a Pro-Logic II receiver, and storing it in compressed form. Is this really so difficult for you to understand? It's a tedious process, but it sounds incredible. I would imagine many of the so-called "5.1" mixes you've heard (if any) weren't done correctly, since the method used was very difficult to locate and fine-tune.

It's not like my soundtrack is causing you physical harm, right? Quit making this into a pissing contest.
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"Why oh WHY do people create 5.1 tracks. THERE IS NO 5.1 TRACK!!!!!!!!!!! LEAVE IT ALONE!!!!!!!"

Hey Dude...chill out. It gives me a Pro-logic II soundtrack without needing a Pro-logic II outboard decoder (which I don't have), and the .ac3 file takes up far less space than the PCM file. If you knew what you were doing, you'd see the obvious benefits here.

If you also knew what you were doing, you'd know this is exactly how LFL derived their 5.1 soundtrack for the SE's, rather than from the 6-track masters. As for me, I've been doing months of research and spent hundreds of dollars for this project, and now I have a great looking AND SOUNDING SW DVD of the O-OT.

"The Def. Collection is the same transfer as the faces laserdisc. *sigh* Do you know what you're doing?"

Which is precisely why I asked my question. *sigh* Do you comprehend what you are reading?
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Just chiming in to say I'm finally finishing my ANH DVD. I'm using the "Faces" set for the video and audio, and the Def. Col. for the commentary.

I have a Pioneer 701, which I connected to my Sony DCR-TRV33 digital camcorder, using the analog/digital pass-through to capture and transfer the footage to my computer. I used Sony Vegas for the capture/manipulation, as well as to create a 5.1 soundtrack (I software-decoded the PCM sountrack with Pro-Logic II, created 5 mono .wav's, and then combined them into an .ac3 file.)

I used DVD-Lab Pro for authoring, so that I could get the commentary track on as well. In a few minutes, I'll see how it finally looks (after days of trouble-shooting various menu glitches.)

I'm curious to know why people are choosing to use the Def. Col. transfer over the "Faces" set, which was cleaned up the most. The CAV feature of the Def. Col. only aides in still shots, does it not?
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You would (generally) need one video and at least one audio (preferably two for stereo). Many videocards only have a VGA out, and some have a tv coaxial out (this is the "antenna screw-on" connector, and you really, really, don't want to use this except in a worse-case scenario.) Try to get a video out with a "video out" cable, that gives you at least the traditional video/audio RCA outs (like the yellow/red/white connectors on the back of your VCR) or, if possible, an "S-video" connector (looks like a PS/2 mouse connector with four pins...of course, your camcorder must be able to accept this as well.)

The ATI All-in-wonder comes immediately to mind, but there are others.