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#60612
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60612/action/topic#60612
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"here's a review mentioning this feature. "This player properly scales non-anamorphic DVDs and can zoom during progressive playback. Very few players at any price can do this."

Well, there ya go. You are misreading what this person is saying (and it's simply a review from Joe-Schmo, rather than from JVC.)

Now, if we were to go straight to the horse's mouth...

Progressive Scan Output, "Digital Direct" that can produce the video output at twice the conventional speed to allow the direct conversion of DVD's 24fps into progressive 60fps for display on your TV, thereby avoiding the quality disadvantages of I/P conversion.

When you click on the link to that, you get...

Progressive Scan Output
Video output that carries a video signal in which each horizontal line follows the next--unlike an interlaced output, which presents the odd-numbered horizontal lines, then the even-numbered horizontal lines, and so on. Progressive-scan video has less flicker and fewer motion artifacts than the traditional interlaced-scanning method.


Sorry, but "progressive-scan" has nothing to do with anamorphic. You've mixed your terms.

BTW, Laserman, you are "DA MAN"! Alpysoft gave me only 9 dropped frames, and a 45 GB file. DAMN!!!!!!
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#60594
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60594/action/topic#60594
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" Obviously I need to spell this out. Just as there are DVD players that are WM9 compat, Div-X compat, etc there are players that will TURN NON-ANAMORPHIC DVD VIDEO INTO ANAMORPHIC WHILE PLAYED ON THE FLY by interpolating the extra lines."

How about, instead of "spelling it out", you post just one, simple link to a single player that does this. I'm still waiting...

"what I mean is all you're doing is spreading the original material out, thusly leaving gaps filled with the interpolated stuff. Therefore it will never sound as good as the original Prologic-II soundtrack."

Ironic, since my 5.1 mix is made by playing the PCM soundtrack through a simulated Pro-logic II decoder. :^O

" I think you're confused about how anamorphic widescreen works for DVDs. It doesn't add any additional lines, and the DVD player doesn't convert anything. It's the monitor that does that. Most players will downconvert anamorphic to regular letterbox or zoom in, but that's just adding black space, not adding or subtracting extra lines. Like multiple people have mentioned, you give us the model number(s), and we'll take your word on these magical anamorphic-converting players. "

Agreed on all counts. Playing an anamorphic DVD on a regular TV is the worst situation, because the player has to down-convert the 16x9 signal to 4x3. You lose resolution.

"ETA: Is the top pic your conversion, MeBeJedi? It looks pretty damn awesome."

The top is the AVI capture, the bottom is the MPEG. Baring any future significant improvements, that's pretty much what my DVD will look like. I'm doing a full capture today.

"before i go how the hell do you post a pic here ???"

When you hit the "reply" button, the next screen will have the buttons B I U http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/i/editoricons/image.gif. The http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/i/editoricons/image.gifbutton is the "image" button (it looks like a picture.)
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#60326
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60326/action/topic#60326
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"But that's unaviodable."

Does this mean you won't buy the official DVD's because the soundtrack is in 5.1? Do you listen to your LD's and DVD's in stereo?

BTW, how about posting a link to one of these new "magic anamorphic" players?

Oh, good news. When I use the capture program that came with the MainConcept MPEG encoder program, the resulting Huffy AVI and the Alparysoft AVI's are recognized by Vegas (and no frames were dropped in my test capture). This means I have a YUY2 capture. WOOHOO!
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#60315
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60315/action/topic#60315
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"your versions have 5.1? Why did you do this? That is an abuse just as much as making it anamorphic. I believe it's better to simply present the original 2.0 track the way TR-47 has done it, uncompressed."

Have you forgotten that the video on these DVD's is MPEG-compressed, quite unlike the LD's? So much for "fidelity". //sigh

"There are DVD players on the market for these kind of people that will turn non-anamorphic video into anamorphic on the fly. "

Even if this were true (which it isn't), it would imply the very bastardization of the video you claim is a bad thing to begin with.
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#60177
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60177/action/topic#60177
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"The picture looks a little soft in the last few pictures on the bottom - DON'T get me wrong but the interlaed picture the Star Destroyer seems to have a bit more detail..."

That's the actual MPEG, but only a segment. I'll just have to adjust the colors for the compression. The capture itself is the important part.

Laserman, I can't get Vegas to recognize the huffy AVI (only the audio is recognized.) I'll search the Sony forums, but it looks like I'm resigned to RGB (which still looks awesome, but there's absolutely no compression.), unless Vegas will recognize the Alparysoft codec (I'll try it later.)
Post
#59998
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59998/action/topic#59998
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"I would suggest still using burnt-in subtitles rather than player-invoked ones. Have you thought about seamless-branching the opening crawl with the pre-ANH one? I wonder if MagnoliaFan could edit a cut of Terminator 3 that removes the story errors (eg John being 13 instead of 10 in T2, Arnie calling himself a T-101 which is incorrect, etc) and actually makes it a half-decent move? Nah, such a thing could never be done."

I wouldn't know where to begin with player-titles, but cutting out particular scenes wouldn't be hard.

"Mebejedi, what software are you using to capture. If you use the lossless codec I mentioned, your file will be less than half its current size, and it can capture and playback in realtime no worries."

I'm using the capture program that comes with Sony Vegas. If I can't find a setting for altering the fields upon capture, then I'll try using AMcap, since I know I can specify which codec to use (the Alparysoft one you mentioned earlier.) Like I said, I have to recapture anyways (the key scene I'm trying to improve is when the SD flies overhead. If I brighten the scene to bring out the stars, then the bottom of the SD gets washed-out. It's a little thing, but I'd like to make it look as best as possible.)

I tried a program called AVI-IO, but got too many dropped frames (although I got 12 overall with Vegas.)

"I know someone awhile back was looking at getting dutch subtitles. I am interested in french subtitles. Can anyone help?"

Well, someone who knows Dutch or French would have to translate the films first. After that, it's all cutting and pasting.

Okay, here are my new captures. Tell me how I'm doing so far. I got [url=http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=2#comments]VirtualDub[/url] to work (though I can still only capture in RGB.)

From my AVI

http://home.netcom.com/~eandtc/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/cap1.jpg
http://home.netcom.com/~eandtc/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/cap2.jpg
http://home.netcom.com/~eandtc/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/cap3.jpg

From my MPEG (with bottom field, and deinterlaced)

http://home.netcom.com/~eandtc/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pdvd_000.jpg
http://home.netcom.com/~eandtc/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pdvd_001.jpg
http://home.netcom.com/~eandtc/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pdvd_002.jpg
http://home.netcom.com/~eandtc/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pdvd_003.jpg

BTW, do my colors look better now?
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#59971
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59971/action/topic#59971
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"You probably should have captured it at actual LD resolution though, your card should be capable of that, so I'd give it another go in you have another 30GB of disc space."

Ugh. I barely squeezed it onto my 250GB hard drive. Guess I'll have to move a few more things. I have to recapture anyways, since the brightness and contrast are a little off.

"What are you going to use to encode it to DVD-9?"

I wish. I don't have a dual-layer burner yet. It'll be awhile before I even consider it. Actually, considering how good the file looked at medium settings, especially with the small size, I'm not too worried about it.

"try capturing at 720 x 480 if you want it to look correct on the final DVD."

Will do. (as soon as I figure out what is giving me problems on motion frames. I know it's an interlacing issue, but I'm trying to narrow it down to either top/bottom fields or 2-3 pulldown.)

Okay, here are some captures. What am I doing wrong here?

From my MPEG

Bottom field
http://home.netcom.com/~eandtc/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pdvd_001.jpg

Top field
http://home.netcom.com/~eandtc/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pdvd_003.jpg

From my capture (consecutive frames)
http://home.netcom.com/~eandtc/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/image1.jpg http://home.netcom.com/~eandtc/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/image2.jpg

Now, according to Vegas, my capture has no field order (progressive). What should I do?
Post
#59917
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59917/action/topic#59917
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Well, you would know better than anyone else I know. Right now, I'm just adjusting brightness and contrast. I can't believe I was able to get a 1.2 GB MPEG on low settings. I was close to 4 GB with my DVcam capture on the same settings. Apparently, the compression is a lot better, even with a higher-quality capture. Since I can apparently up the bit count, it's gonna look bitchin!
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#59872
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59872/action/topic#59872
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Laserman, I never thought I'd see the day, but I now have a 200GB capture!

I got my new WinTV-Go card to capture at 640x480 RGB (it crashes on YUY2), and the picture is suh-weeeeeet!. I don't think I'll have the time to clean it up frame-by-frame like you...that is, if I want my marriage to last ...but DAMN, that sure does make a difference!
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#59092
Topic
Reminder: Bootlegs of commercially available DVDs (such as the upcoming trilogy release) are NOT PERMITTED
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59092/action/topic#59092
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"Your missing the point. Cost and convenience don't matter."

Uhm, yes, they do. This is precisely why laserdisc remained a niche product, versus the inferior picture of VHS. This is also why Netflix is such a booming business.

"If the average consumer sees no reason to upgrade, they won't get it, and it will die right there."

You are presuming they won't. Have you seen the numbers for home theater sales for the past 5 years, or projected sales for the next 5. I mean, who really needs 5.1, right? Most people don't even have their systems set up correctly.

"And where are you getting all this that HD-DVD will be cheap? It will need an entirely new player, it uses a different codec, etc. "

Only Blue-Ray requires a new player. The other standard is backwards-compatible. Of course, there's always Joe Kane's idea of adding the HD information to the already-SD info of a standard DVD. Old players play the 480P, and newer players could read the 720/1080 info. Best of both worlds.

"And where are you getting all this that HD-DVD will be cheap?"

Most DVD players used to cost several thousand dollars. Now you can get them for 50 bucks at the local drug store. Do you get out much?
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#59076
Topic
Reminder: Bootlegs of commercially available DVDs (such as the upcoming trilogy release) are NOT PERMITTED
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59076/action/topic#59076
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"Yes... what's your point? AFAIK they're two different products."

They are competing products, like VHS and Beta. Near as I can tell, the demise of Beta didn't do VHS in (and Beta was the better product, too!)

Think of it this way - HD-DVD can hold @30 gigs (HD-VHS is about 50). An lightly compressed AVI capture of a Star Wars LD is about 30 gigs. This means a very lightly compressed end product for DVD video (or more special features). Imagine each 3-hour Lord of the Rings film, or Das Boot, on a single HD-DVD, or for you computer nuts, much more space for easy hard drive backups onto optical disks, versus tape or internet storage.

HD-DVD is DVD on steroids. Your talk of it becoming a niche product sounds very similar to what was once said about DVD. You may not see much use in it, but it's a bigger world out there. Hell, some people still buy their movies on VHS nowadays. Luddites, you gotta love 'em.
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#54547
Topic
Have the 'one last time' 1995 Laser Discs been converted to DVD?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54547/action/topic#54547
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I guess my earlier post didn't go through. One example I can think of off the top of my head is the DS explosion in ANH. It's at the disc-flip on the Def. Col., but the explosion continues after the screen goes black. On the Faces set, the explosion goes right into the next scene with Luke and Ben on the MF. This is one of the scenes I remember having to edit the audio to get it to sound similar to the Faces set. The other scene I can remember is when Vader walks out to the MF on the DS, right after it's been captured - there's about a half-second difference that had to be cut out.

Hey, what can I say? I was bored, and wanted to see (hear?) how well they lined up with each other....
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#54473
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54473/action/topic#54473
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"I guess they had to capture each movie twice and save the wav file from each audio track."

I captured the movie once. Vegas captured the video and analog audio, and kept them in sync. At the same time, I captured the PCM audio with my soundcard's software. For some reason, the PCM audio always plays a half-second behind the analog. Anyways, I was able to sync the PCM to the analog audio in Vegas, and then I render the video as MPEG and the PCM audio as an AC3 (after converting it to a Prologic II 5-channel wav.)

"Wouldn't it be easier to just edit the VOB of the TR47 disc to exclude the black space?"

It's not impossible, but it's hard to cut the VOB right where you want it cut. If you can get it right on the scene change, then you can resave the whole file with the added MPEG right in the middle of the split segments. There are many VOB and MPEG merging programs that will do the DOS commands for you. That being said, the resulting transition isn't always very clean, and you may get some visual pixelation or audio drops. As has been said, using the AVI masters results in a much better product, but you do the best with what you've got.