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#106983
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Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106983/action/topic#106983
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"Because Maul doesn't use the high ground, he toys with Obi Wan, using the sparks from his saber. When Obi Wan leaps, Maul doesn't react, that's why the high ground was of no use to him. Maul had the advantage, he just got bitched anyways."

Agreed. Had Maul stayed on his guard, instead of dicking around, he could simply have cut Obi-wan's fingers and finished him off. As it was, he goofed off, and paid dearly, because it gave Obi-wan time to hone in his focus and abilities.

Again, overconfidence...
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#106981
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Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106981/action/topic#106981
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"Then riddle me this: why was Kenobi able to defeat Maul when Maul was standing above a dangling Kenobi? Maul had "the high ground." It didn't hold Ben back, so why would Ben have believed that Anakin wasn't able to pull of his jump?"

I know you want to believe the scenarios are exactly the same in that regard, but they are not. Both Maul and Anakin failed because they were overly convinced in their own abilities. Their overconfidence was their failing.

"It seems to me that you're choosing to file plot holes YOU don't want to acknowledge as "nitpicks."

I don't even find it all that important, to tell you the truth, although I will say this - the second DS was much bigger and more powerful, so the firt DS wasn't simply "copied".
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#106965
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Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106965/action/topic#106965
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Let's also not forget that Palpatine has to build this DS in absolute secrecy, since he is still relying on the Senate to help maintain the peace. After ANH, the secret is out, the Senate has been disbanded, and the Empire is finally in full swing. Palps was able to throw all his resources into the second Death Star (which wasn't completed by ROTJ, I might add. They had only focused on finishing what needed to be finished, to lure the Rebellion into attacking.)
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#106932
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Luke's ROTS Review (plot holes included)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106932/action/topic#106932
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"Maybe Leia is talking about her adoptive mother, maybe she really thought she was an Organa."

Luke specifically asks about her real mother. If you believe she's confusing her with her adoptive mother, then you've sucked all the emotion out of that scene.

"Everyone got excited at the end though. When Grand Moff Tarken was on screen, the entire theater started whispering and you heard eveyrone almost at the same time go "whoa, it's Tarken!"

Damn! I missed him! Time to go back and look.
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#106928
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ROTS: The Child Birth Scene and Sidious Motives? <em>SPOILERS</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106928/action/topic#106928
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"How did the clones know about Order 66, and why did they obey? Hypnosis? They were all trained in kamino to do that? Didn't the Kamino cloners find weird that a Jedi went there to ask for clones that would eventually KILL the Jedis? Or maybe Sifo Dias was not the one there, but how about when Obi Wan was in Kamino?"

The order, itself, didn't have to be specifically programmed into the clone troopers. They were bred to be compliant to the Republic, and Palps is the head of the Republic. He need only give the details to the clone commanders, which would be passed down to the troops, under the proviso that no details of the order be told to anyone. The clonetroopers have no choice but to comply.

"How come when the babies were born Vader and Sidious did not feel a huge disturbance in the force?"

Probably the same reason why none was apparently felt when Anakin was born. Otherwise, he would have been found a lot sooner.

Besides, Palps didn't sense Luke until he started using the Force in earnest. This, along with the fact that Vader sensed Luke (actually Obi-wan, I believe) in the trench, and Luke used it to destroy the DS were all pretty big hints in and of themselves.

"Didn't Vader/Palpatine sense anything? Vader knew he would have a child, he never bothered to look for it in Tatooine? Perhaps while visiting his stepbrother, Owen Lars...? Or visiting his mother's grave, right NEXT to it?"

Watch Padme's funeral procession. She is made to look like she is still pregnant. Force sensing is nowhere as distinct as you guys make it out to be.
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#106920
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Luke's ROTS Review (plot holes included)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106920/action/topic#106920
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"as far as the Leia having memories of her mother, i agree that Padme should have lived for a few years after her delivery of the twins, even if they were split up right away. Leia is sensative to the force so the force related memories do work, plus its more likely Bail would give Leia info on her real mother than it is that Owen would give any information to Luke about his real parents. Plus, maybe Leia just has that Mother/Daughter connection and Luke has a Father/Son. I mean, Vader couldnt tell that Leia was his daugher until after he found out from Luke. Also Luke could sense Vader's presence whereas Leia wasnt able to. Just an idea."

I might point out that anyone who has a problem with Leia remembering her mother solely through Force visions (and indistinct ones at that) must have an equal problem with Luke "recognizing" Yoda's presence on Dagobah.

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LUKE: Still... there's something familiar about this place. I feel like...

STRANGE VOICE: Feel like what?

LUKE: Like we're being watched!

Yoda: This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away...to the future, to the horizon.

Similarly, Leia senses Luke's call, and knows where he is, even though she's never been to the underside of Bespin. The OT clearly establishes these Force visions.

The only reason why I can think that Luke doesn't know his mother's face is because his focus is clearly on his father, as shown early in ANH. He never even seems to think about his mother until talking with Leia in ROTJ. Anakin was very concerned for his mother in TPM, and guess who he has visions of...

"and Owen was Obiwan's brother so it sonly natural that they would have met."

LOL...is that the extent you are going to take it? Now the novelization is canon over ANH as well? Are all the films unneccessary now?
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#106911
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My review of Episode III (minor, minor spoilers)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106911/action/topic#106911
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"Just because they (Palps, Plague, or both) created him doesnt mean they were aware of the Prophecy, or doing it to fullfill the prophecy."

Yet Anakin showed all the signs of being the Chosen One at a young age. If Sidious wasn't aware of the prophecy, then he didn't know everything there was to know, which is mandatory for his 10-year-plan to work as flawlessly as it did.

Sorry, but he can't be perfect for the one-in-a-million shot and yet be imperfect on the day-to-day stuff. That simply defies belief.

"Didnt Obi-Wan say that Sifo Dyas was killed before the Kaminos said he ordered the the clone army?"

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Yes, Master. They say a Master Sifo-Dyas
placed the order for a clone army at the request of the
Senate almost ten years ago. I was under the impression he
was killed before that. Did the Council ever authorize the
creation of a clone army?


As a matter of, he did, which is another reason why the LOE explanation is ridiculous. Dooku happened upon the one Jedi who secretly ordered the clones without the Council's knowledge? That's just stupid. It makes far more sense for Dooku to kill and impersonate Sifo for the clone order, and then blame it on the Jedi. This also fits into the general timeline implied by Obi-wan's statement to the Council.

Oh well.

"One other thing, Anakins 'appointment' to the Council and not being made a master. While he might have been equal (or above) to the other Jedi in power/ability that does not in any way (at least in my opinion) make him ready to be a master. I dont know what the trials are, the clone wars cartoon hints that anakin has essentially gone through the same tests as the trials would put him through, but i feel that the Jedi Council's reason for not making him a master was because he was emotionally not ready."

I agree with you. What the Council should have done is explain to Anakin that while Palpatine had placed him on the Council, it was not done so according to Jedi rules, and therefore his placement was provisional (kinda like a battlefield promotion.) Anakin wasn't ready for the council....though again, this reaction is precisely what Palpatine was planning on.

"Second: Plagueous could not have created Anakin. Plagueous lived a long time ago, and if he had created Anakin, he'd be much older in TPM. He would not be a little kid."

Ironically, I am mixed on this. I'll have to watch again, but I was under the impression that Palpatine said that he was Plagueous' apprentice. Everything I've read about Palpatine states that he is a "normal" human being, meaning no super-aging, and yet he said Plagueous' story was a legend told by the Jedi?

Was this also made up? I'm guessing so, but it just seems rather wonky to me.

"Its possible that Plagueous created Anakin without Palpatine knowing"

Sorry, but the folks who keep bring this up need to learn the difference between what's "possible" and what is "probable". Hell, I could easily say it's "possible" that Plageous created Palpatine by influencing midis, or that Palpatine created Jar Jar as such.

Point being, anything's possible, but simply pointing that out does not make it in any way probable. It's a ridiculous addition to speculate that Palpatine might have created Anakin, and it doesn't gel with the rest of the Saga either. It kinda reminds me of all the Cloners who showed how it was "possible" for Palpatine to be a clone of Sidious.

" That's all a moot point.

Obi wan first met Anakin as an adult during the clone wars, and he was amazed at how strong the force was with him. He decided to take it upon himself to train him as a Jedi, just as Yoda had trained him in the past, NOT by Qui Gon Jin, who didn't bloody exist. He thought he could instruct as well as Yoda, but Anakin eventually went over to the dark side because Obi Wan wasn't nearly as good an instructor as he thought."

Then your issue is with the OT, not the PT.
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#106882
Topic
ROTS: The Jedi Now Seen In A Different Light...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106882/action/topic#106882
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"On top of this, I finally realized that the Jedi are so judgmental and arrogant. Yoda says in TPM, "Always two there are, a Master and an Apprentice," regarding the Sith. Same thing for the Jedi right? "

You are kinda missing the point. The Sith are an offshoot of the Jedi, so they share many of the same practices. When a Jedi is done training one apprentice, he can take on another, but only one at a time (remember in TPM?). The Sith focus solely on one apprentice, who eventually replaces his master, and then takes on his own apprentice. Prior to this, the Sith were building up their numbers, much as the Jedi had done, but infighting killed off many of the Sith, thus the "Rule of Two" was born.

Either way, I don't see how this is a valid argument for showing how judgemental and arrogant the Jedi are. Are you implying that the "Rule of Two" makes the Sith less judgemental and arrogant?
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#106878
Topic
How do you rate EpIII?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106878/action/topic#106878
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Well, I said "Very Good", but that only refers to everything after the Grievous battle.

"I hope you will fill as I do, that ROTS leaves you wanting the next chapter, and that's all any film can hope to accomplish."

That can be taken as either a a plus for, or a negative against ROTS. (But I'm sure you meant it as a positive.)

I usually hate ranking, but I'll bite.

1. ANH
2. ESB
3. ROTJ/ROTS (I have to fast forward through significant sections of both, but they are still otherwise enjoyable to sit and watch.)
4. TPM
5. AOTC

TPM easily edges out AOTC in terms of overall watchability, mostly due to Qui-gon and Darth Maul. I do not like how AOTC focuses so much on the "relationship" between Padme and Anakin, and Yoda's duel distracts.
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#106876
Topic
Star Wars - Episode III - The Revenge of the Sith; my thoughts on it...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106876/action/topic#106876
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I have got to get you guys on using worcestershire sauce.

"and he seemd to be having trouble with his voice. Sometimes he did it exactly as in ROTJ, sometimes he was just sounding weird."

LOL...I noticed that too. Sometimes it sounded great, and sometimes you could actually hear the digital manipulation. Not terribly well done there.

A couple of people are talking about the novel. I read TPM and AOTC before the films (which might explain why I was disappointed by the lack of background information given in both films.) I wasn't even interested in reading it for ROTS, but I may have to go back and do so now.
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#106871
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Luke's ROTS Review (plot holes included)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106871/action/topic#106871
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"Obi Wan riding a lizard"

"-Yeah, much worse than Taun Tauns :rolleyes"


There was certainly far more focus on the lizard than the taun-taun. I got rather tired of watching it just running and running.

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"i could almost see George beside me nuging me saying "huh huh... get it? we'll be seeing that in the next movie" BLAHHH!!!"

"-Again, imagery that ties the two trilogies together. What other image would you have ended with?"


Agreed. If the films had been made in order, I doubt this complaint would ever have been raised.

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"- ANH Ben says to Luke "your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough" (about anakin's lightsaber)

maybe its just me... i dont remember him saying that... do you?"


Maybe Obi-wan should have told Luke the truth about him leaving Anakin to die? Do you think Luke would have gone with him to Alderaan then?

Obi-wan wanted to train Luke the ways of the Force, which included use of a lightsaber. Luke was obviously infatuated with the idea of his father, and Obi-wan used that. In that regard, he's a cunning character throughout the films - especially in the OT. This is not a fair complaint against ROTS.