Matt_Stevens

I have not seen the Wild Side INFERNO.

Yup. Correct. My bad. That IS what I used. :) 

Isn't that just the same upscale we all know and despise?

The master used for that BD, properly tweaked, would be pure brilliance. No question. 

I'm away until New years and dammit, the Net here sucks. I've just been throttled and can only download 1#B per day at seriously squashed speeds. It's really making it difficult to get the Ninja Trilogy. :( Such is life. Man oh man I cannot wait to get back to my FiOS connection.

Hey wasn't there a thread on released titles? I could have sword there was.

I think the big issue with the Scream are the digital artifacts. It's a bit bandwidth starved.

I like them both. I grew up with the Theatrical so the extended really threw me the first time I view it. However it's grown on me and now I find them to be equally compelling.

Check your PM :)

eurospec19 said:

I'm actually close to completing a project that I've posted about on the Sergio Leone Web Board. Here's an excerpt of my post:

 

...I converted the Mondo BD and MGM BD into Apple ProRes HQ using Pavtube Blu-Ray Ripper at the highest quality setting. This conversion to a high quality editing codec allows me to make frame-specific edits. I also converted the MGM 1998 DVD into Apple ProRes HQ at the same settings as the BD files (overkill). I synced the frames of the Mondo BD to the 1998 DVD in Final Cut Pro 7, using the MGM BD to add any frames that were necessary, for example:

- English opening credits
- English character titles instead of Italian titles (at the beginning and end of the film)
- International cut of Tuco torture scene
- Blondie saying, "Sorry, Tuco"
- Tuco screaming, "...dirty son a biii-AYAYAAAA!!!
- "THE END" instead of "FINE"

 

This sounds amazing. How did you handle all of the those frame jumps where the 35mm element used clearly twerked in the machine? I found it to be utterly destructive when viewing that Blu-Ray.

Hollywood no longer believes skies are blue.

bavaleone said:

Well, I've synced the laserdisc original English mono audio to the Mondo Italian Blu-ray but it does have its fair share of problems.

The Italian blu-ray is the best looking video transfer available but suffers from some frame jumping (missing frames) around the edit points. Apart from the occasional visual distraction, once you start noticing the jumps, a significant number of edits to the audio were required to maintain sync.

All dialogue was dubbed post-production and the lipsync is mostly pretty good but it's never going to look perfect.

The Italian cut is also longer, so audio for the missing scenes can either be taken from the Italian track or the 2002 English 5.1 audio where the actors dubbed English dialogue that didn't exist in the original theatrical cut. I chose to use the 2002 English track.

A better solution would be to edit out the 15 mins of additional scenes and get as close as possible to the English theatrical cut. That would be relatively easy except for Tuco's torture scene which is slightly rearranged in the Italian version. It's arguably a better paced film in the shorter version anyway.

 

 

The theatrical (U.S>) cut is absolutely superior. The extended stuff is more of a curiosity. If the theatrical version could be edited together, with the ump frames removed, it might be worth syncing LD audio to it.

It was 1.85:1 so I am sure it's OAR or just slightly opened up to 1.78:1. Any Cable or Sat airing prior to the Blu-Ray would be the original transfer with theatrical color timing.

It's beyond stupid how studios fail to take advantage of what Blu-Ray offers. PCM mono is easy as pie.

Most of the comments were deleted by mods. It became huge warfare and I stopped posting in that thread and rarely posted in the forum. I really have no wish to go back through two years worth of posts and find the relevant postings. Ugh. Much better things to do with my time. 

I pretty much stopped posting at AVSforum.com because of all the personal attacks launched at me for talking about this obvious green tint error. The bile thrown at me was insane. Such is life. 

When I meet Peter Jackson I'll give him a piece of my mind. Right after begging for a job. :)

WTF! 5.1 for the P&S scrowd, oh joy. I'll check and see if I have the earlier version. I may.

I have the old flipper DVD, with the film on one side and the extras on the other. No idea what year it is from. It's also in storage so I can't really check right now.

All the Blu-Rays are from the same master, which is of the highest quality. They did a 4k scan and the cinematographer was heavily involved all the way through. The director was also in the editing room for the sound remix. 

This Blu-Ray actually removes a few of the digital tweaks that were added to the Extended version, since they (the director and dp) felt they had gone a little too far with the extended cut tweaks. 

The problem with the theatrical version is that its sound remix is not as robust as the Extended version, which is just sensational. It's not a stupid hack job (like The Terminator or Superman The Movie) and you guys know how picky I am. 

If the film were only simple stereo I would go ahead and do my own version, but alas, it's 5.1 and I have no idea how to deal with that. 

The color grading seems fine to me. Nothing objectionable.

All I object to is the Extended version having a way way too over extended epilogue that goes on forever with no rhyme or reason for being there, unlike the rest of the added footage, which added to the sense of dread.

By the way, when I saw the Director's Cut in a theater the teens in the audience were laughing throughout and making fun of the film. I had to get up out of my seat and tell them to shut their ****ing mouths. When they refused I told them to get out or I'd have them escorted out. They got up and left. Young people will not find this film scary. They are far too desensitized. 

I would love to have the new/current Blu-Ray, as is, but changing the ending (epilogue) to match the theatrical. Personally I feel ALL of the extra scenes (and the aggressive sound mix) benefit the film UNTIL the epilogue, where the stuff is a mood killer and just too boring. It's unneeded. 

I don't think there is a good version of TGTB&TU in Blu-Ray. They are either DNR'd to death, or have no DNR with wonderful grain structure but suffer from terrible frame jumping at every cut. 

The laserdisc was in my collection once upon a time. 

My memory of the theatrical prints is a lot of blue. Lots and lots of blue. But memories can be wrong.

FOTR has an error somewhere along the chain that caused the huge green shift with no pure whites. But for Warner and Jackson to admit that would kill all the profits made on that set because it would be expensive as heck to recall and replace. So it was left alone. 

TTT and ROTK have no such error. Therefore they are in no need of restoration.

If I may... In my view, the only proper way to do this is with the Extended Blu-Ray, no other sources, keeping it spread across two blu-rays. 

And for me, TTT and ROTK are fine. They are not correct to the original theatrical releases, but they are correct to the special marathon run digital release, which I saw. LOTR was not correct. That BD is clearly screwed up. Something went wrong in the process of crating that encode.

dark_jedi said:

Hey Matt we have a few in front of both the Terminators and True Lies but I can tell you this for sure, it will definitely not be before the first of the year unfortunately.

OK, noted. No rush. One at a time, right? I have my own mono synced version, but of course no color correction. 

Hey gang, I am just wondering if anyone ever color corrected and restored the Extended Blu-Ray LOTR FOTR to its proper non-Matrix look? When the boxed set came out I was so completely disgusted with the obvious super green tint error on FOTR that I sold the set and never looked back.

I know it’s an error because I saw the Extended cut in a theater during the special marathon run and the very next day watched the BD on a huge screen. All of us who attended the screening the night before were shocked at how screwed up FOTR was on BD.

Never mind all the evidence posted online over the past two years. It’s clear as day. Even worse than the Teal Terminator. Much worse, actually.

Anyway, there are 720p torrents out there of corrected versions, but I would much rather have it done right without compressing it down.

Color correction is not my bag. Not my thing. I’m just curious if anyone here has done it.

Thanks