Matt.F

Someone writes a long ‘negative’ dissertation.

Didn’t your grandmother tell you “If you don’t have anything nice to say then don’t say anything at all”.

There’s some truth to the notion that positivity is more inspiring and engaging than negativity. The context of this being a kids film further adds to the ‘whiny entitled fanboy’ feeling one gets when reading such post.

The guy also flagged so many points of grievance that it becomes impossible to reply to with anything other than ‘get a life’ style comment (just one or two and we could have debated).

DrDre said:

Mjolnir Mark IV said:

Not too long ago, in a theater full of people far, far from fortunate…

Wow, that’s one of the longest posts I’ve read in a while. I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but at the same time my frustration with TLJ, and the ST has taken somewhat of a backseat to just enjoying some of the good stuff.

I’m liking the new, more relaxed DrDre. Honestly, we do all need a reality check sometimes - seeing this 5000 word dissertation about all the grievances this guy has with a kids fantasy movie is a good reminder of that!

I also feel I should apologise for giving you a hard time over your views, I still don’t agree with most of the negativity but I am sorry if I made it too personal.

Reality check - The Last Jedi is a children’s film about wizards with laser swords, space battles and fantastical adventures.

Okay, now continue.

I’ve been hacked by Russians! I’ve had my cricket ball tampered with! Admins expel some diplomats - I’ve been misquoted!!

No, you’re reading it wrong.

The prequels ‘balance of the force’ wasn’t between light side and dark side - of course not, there were a multitude of jedi and only two sith (which the jedi didn’t even know about). That’s impossible. Total misinterpretation, and implies the Jedi were actively trying to fulfil a prophecy that would cull their numbers and grow the sith - WTF, of course not.

Balance in the PT was related to ‘steadiness’ - the word balance doesn’t just mean opposing weights on a scale, it also relates to remaining upright and not falling. The opposite of turmoil. THIS is the PT definition. It is the only definition that makes any sense given the numbers of jedi and the numbers of sith.

You’ve also missed that fact that the first of the Sequel trilogy is called The Force Awakens. There has been an awakening, have you felt it? There is no ‘monkey wrench’, it’s all there on screen and hardly rocket science. Rey’s aptitude is explained, the Force has awoken since the OT, the situation has changed. Keep up!

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Dre, at last I’ve found something we can agree on, that Hux was cast too much as a buffoon and by reflection that made the FO seem rather toothless. TFA had established the FO as rather intimidating with its opening ‘firing squad’ scene, in the village attack - and hopefully the final movie in the trilogy will once again cast them as a force to be feared.

The idea of Rey being injured and being saved by Kylo in the fight with Snoke’s guards is interesting, but as it stands I do feel those guards were formidable and put up a good fight. I’m happy with the scene as it was, and in fact as an isolated sequence I’d rank it as amongst the very best across the whole SW Saga.

It seems you’ve also learned what thousands of others have, that TFA improves upon a rewatch. I feel like I was quite fortunate to see it twice in quick succession last December, because if I had only seen it once I feel my overall view of it might have been less kindly.

‘Mega Destroyer Incursion’ deleted scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3yPL5tVo_E

What a wonderful and expansive set! Real shame this scene didn’t stay in (at least the first part until the doors close). Must have been some serious $ dollars to shoot this scene, with the scale and all the extras, left on the cutting room floor.

The Officer in the white uniform is a good British TV character actor too, he had a recurring role in Ricky Gervais The Office.

Silverwook, I do fully understand - it is a financial stinger to upgrade, and the amount of 4K content is still rather low.

I think most people need some sort of extra ‘motivation’ to splash out on UHD. For some gaming is the catalyst (with PS4 Pro and Xbox One X), for others it might be a particular movie - such as The Last Jedi or 2001. We are still a little way off from regular TV shows being routinely broadcast in 4K.

But you don’t need a 100" screen to see a difference, I’d say anything from 50" upwards is going to treat your eyes to very obvious, unambiguous next level visuals when compared to 1080p.

SilverWook said:

Sure! If you have a 100 inch screen in your house. 😛

I’m surprised to read a dismissive comment about 4K on this site. I thought OT forum was very much built around wanting the very best ‘technical’ presentation of Star Wars, from sound, to accurate colour representation, to resolution - aren’t these technical aspects fundamental to Originaltrilogy.com? Or do forum members actually not care that much?

Mocata said:

They also said the Porgs were the worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. Not sure you can take anything from them seriously.

That site is really all about the technical specs but for sure, the reviewer at bluray.com admits he is a former ‘hater’…

“I hated The Last Jedi after seeing it theatrically. In fact, I had written an anger- and spite-filled page-and-a-half of notes ready to turn into this review. Some of those criticisms still made it into this final publication, but much of it did not. The film plays a fair better, though still with massive flaws, on a second viewing, especially a few months removed from its theatrical debut, allowing time to process it, to filter through the thoughts, to understand with more intimacy what, exactly, it is Johnson wanted to achieve with the film. In fact, “redemption” is a word that comes very close to describing thoughts after a second viewing.”

Blu-Ray.com review of the 4K UHD release: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Wars-Episode-VIII-The-Last-Jedi-4K-Blu-ray/193044/#Review

"UHD release offers an increase, often substantial, in terms of both textural clarity and color depth and vibrancy. The film, shot on film, retains an inherently natural and beautiful grain structure, here a little more pronounced than that on the Blu-ray, but the end result is a substantial net increase in textural yield. The native 4K presentation is a sight to behold, with detail refinements abounding from beginning to end. Watching closely after the Blu-ray and making some direct scene comparisons reveal the UHD’s superiority… This is the way to watch The Last Jedi. The disc boasts a significant increase in detail and filmic credentials while also taking full advantage of the increased color output under the Dolby Vision parameters. If for no other reason this disc is a must-buy for its reference UHD video presentation. "

Wow - it really sounds like they’ve done a stellar job with the transfer. Let’s hope this sets a benchmark, leading swiftly to more 4K Star Wars…

Just watched a bit of it… good natured comedy banter with audience and everyone on stage laughing. How anyone could ‘twist’ that into something sinister to make it - “Rian Johnson called Mark Hamill a motherfucker”.

You’re not serious?!

Fake News come to OT.com

I’ve just shipped in an Xbox One X last week, and part of the reason is to watch The Last Jedi in 4K… first Star Wars in UHD!

Looking forward not just to revisiting the film, but to seeing the documentaries and particularly the deleted scenes.

It’s a long film too, and long films generally ‘play better’ in the home when you can be comfy on the sofa and take breaks. If the deleted scenes warrant it, I’m sure a fan editor will release an extended edition to make it even longer.

Telion said:
I hated that every time I got invested in it, it cut away.

You and I are advocating the same thing.

Adywan is adding to ROTJs three-sequence climax (and likely removing a bit too), he will have a decision to make about how to incorporate the B-Wing sequence and perhaps other newly shot footage as well. He did do some editorial re-ordering of the Kenobi hovel in SW:R (improving it imho) but whether or not he’d want to reorder ROTJ to make the final act a little less choppy I don’t know. I saw on facebook that he apologised for being so quiet, due to internet problems, but hopefully when normal service resumes he can come back and update us a bit on his plans.

Thanks for the heads up on those two pieces of music, I just looked them up and hadn’t heard either before.

I really enjoyed them both but the choral element in the Sky Hook Battle might jar a little with the rest of the ROTJ soundtrack.

The Beggars Canyon Chase is very dramatic and good indeed. Here is the link for anyone (Adywan!) who wants a listen, the segment INVAR has proposed begins at 2:20mins in…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBCKVC2FmoE

Great looking model (does Adywan actually physically put lights into his models or add them as fx?).

I am presuming the music will need an additional arrangement adding for the B-Wing sequence, and potentially the changes in the Endor battle (both shot additions and removals) could also change the timings. Adywan has always seemed to me as being very interested in the music and pays great attention to it, so I do not doubt that he will make it sound cohesive.

My main point was querying whether the additional B-Wing sequence would be a natural lengthening to an existing scene of the space battle, or whether we would cut from Endor to B-Wings and then back to Endor. For me, I would rather it was tacked on to a scene of the space battle rather than making the already choppy three-sequence climax even more so. I don’t know if Adywan is in a position to say exactly where in the timeline he will insert the new sequence? I think the B-Wing action is the most exciting prospect for ROTJ: R and be fascinating to hear any info on the plans.

RE: Editing / jumps between the three sequences of ROTJ’s climax.

I recently listened to a Rian Johnson podcast where he spoke about editing TLJ’s big three sequence setpiece (Throne Room / Finn & Rose infiltration / Holdo Manoeuvre) and the interesting part was that the script and earlier test screens had a lot more intercutting. It was considerably toned down in the final edit, so that audiences remained with each plot strand for longer. Johnson felt the sequence worked much better with less intercutting.

Adywan, I wonder whether Revisited might allow you the opportunity to slightly steer ROTJ three-sequence climax in this direction too?

Have you locked down yet where the additional material (B-Wings in the space battle, and more ground troops in the Endor battle) will be inserted? And will that extra material mean more intercutting or will it mean the audience actually stays within each plot strand for longer?

I don’t know how others feel, but for myself I feel I care more about the sequences when they last longer. It’s harder to build concern about the fate of the rebel pilots for example, when the film whisks you away so quickly.

I’d like to see Jedi Knights actually looking like… knights.

I always thought Kenobi dressed as he did because he was hiding on Tatooine. Then TPM came along and turns out all the Jedi dress like Uncle Owen!?

Bob Iger:

“Their interest was in creating a series of films that are Star Wars-based, and we’ve actually been talking to them for a long time,” Iger said. “They’re focused on a point in time in Star Wars mythology, and we’re taking it from there."

So, not necessarily a trilogy. They would seem a perfect fit for the ‘Old Republic’, to take the mythology back in time. Potentially creating something similar to the MCU with fresh new characters and timeline that could then go on to have their own ‘Star Wars Story’ spin off films.

We cant remain with Imperials Vs Rebels forever and I am sure Disney are aware of that.

Not officially confirmed by Disney, but the rumours are well reported that Daldry is attached and that Pinewood is booked from Jan 2019 for the shoot.

Mocata said:

excited to get started as soon as the final season of Game of Thrones is complete.

What kind of time frame does this give us?

GoT completes in 2019, and I am presuming…

2018 Solo (Ron Howard)
2019 EP IX (JJ Abrams)
2020 Kenobi (Stephen Daldry)
2021 Film 1 of RJ Trilogy (Rian Johnson)
2022 Film 1 of B+W Trilogy (Benioff and Weiss)
2023 Film 2 of RJ Trilogy (Rian Johnson)
2024 Film 2 of B+W Trilogy (Benioff and Weiss)
2025 Film 3 of RJ Trilogy (Rian Johnson)
2026 Film 3 of B+W Trilogy (Benioff and Weiss)

DrDre said:
No, I don’t think, you understand how the laws of physics work.

I work in the space sector and in fact I credit seeing Star Wars at a young age as being the catalyst for that interest. So I assure you my understanding of physics is fine, albeit entirely unnecessary for an appreciation of Star Wars.

I don’t want to turn today into another episode of “The Dre Show” so suffice to say that this discussion has already happened, and you have already been given many sound and sensible reasons. If you’ve forgotten them already then I would suggest you read back through the thread for your answers.

I don’t think you understand how torpedo’s work. The speed that they strike the target is irrelevant in fact many torpedo don’t physically even contact the target, but proximity detonate.

DrDre said:

Matt.F said:

This has already been discussed - Dre already went through this ‘hyperspace kamikaze’ plothole many pages ago. He got shut down thoroughly and convincingly by Adywan and others at the time. That is why I used the word trolling, by posting up a ‘mocking’ cartoon image (which is about as funny as a funeral) and was just designed to mock and denigrate the movie. Poor show.

Not at all. That discussion was about why the hyperspace kamikaze wasn’t used in general, considering its destructive potential, like against the Death Star in ANH, and was shut down only on your mind. This argument pertains specifically to TLJ’s internal logic, and no it is not illogical to assume there are ships in the FO fleet, that are large enough to destroy a rebel cruiser, or at the very least incapacitate it.

Talk about going round and round. You had it out very thoroughly over this ‘supposed’ plothole already, and if this forum had a search function it would be easy to re-read. But to tell the truth it wasn’t that thrilling a discussion the first time around, and adding in a “hilarious” cartoon hasn’t improved it the second time.