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#1346044
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Best Performance in the Original Trilogy
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Harrison Ford was incredible in Star Wars, he’s a charismatic shot of adrenaline to the movie as soon as he appear in the 2nd act. However his performance gets a bit broader in ESB, and by the time of ROTJ he’s become something of a caricature. Guinness also sleepwalks somewhat in ESB and ROTJ.

Cushing is definitely a good shout but considering he’s only in the first film of the trilogy, it’s hard to award it to him.

I’m tempted to say Anthony Daniels or Peter Mayhew. Both created incredibly iconic characters under very difficult performance circumstances.

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#1344267
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What next for Star Wars - Extended Editions?
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I was wondering what’s next in the endless cycle of repackaging and reselling Star Wars. From ‘selected scenes’ on 8mm by Ken Films in 1977, to the 4K Skywalker Saga set released a couple of weeks ago (and all the countless releases in between).

I’m speculating but I think we might get Extended Editions.

It struck me as odd that The Rise Of Skywalker didn’t include any deleted scenes, especially considering comments made by JJ Abrams and others about how much they’d cut. It’s possible that they might release some kind of ‘ultimate edition’ of The Rise Of Skywalker with deleted scenes in coming months, but might Lucasfilm have held them back because they’re thinking a bit bigger. Re-releasing all the films as Extended Editions?

The Lord Of The Rings provides a pretty good barometer that there’d be a market for an extended edition, and we know there’s plenty of decent content (some films have more than others obviously). It would be easily achievable for Lucasfilm to restore and reinstate scenes, and the dream would be that they’d include two versions of each film in the set - the original theatrical (at last!) and the extended edition.

Every time Star Wars is released in a shiny new package or on a new format, we all think it’s the last time we’ll be buying it, but despite streaming it’s inevitable that there will be another. What do you think?

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#1325724
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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https://www.starwars.com/the-rise-of-skywalker

The Rise Of Skywalker on Blu Ray / UHD March 31st, next month!

Mention that here, because on StarWars.com the Saga box set is on the same page, presumably also March 31st.

Amazon still has both releases down as April 20th, so that seems like it needs updating and we’ll be getting the home releases sooner rather than later.

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#1314482
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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It’s only a small detail but the first time Rey uses the light saber in TFA she makes stabbing strikes from the shoulder, exactly like Palpatine does when we see him use his saber in ROTS. They’re the only two characters we see fight in that distinctive way.

At any rate, I think trying to remove Rey Palpatine is folly as it’s such a central element to the film. I think a fan editor would be better off trying to strengthen the Rey Palpatine link rather than remove it, although I don’t have a clue how!

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#1313982
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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The Staff of Ra had to be placed in a specific peghole to show the location. The dagger outline is rather more silly as Rey just happens to be standing on the exact random spot where it lines up!(at least some sort of plinth on the cliff top for the dagger to slot into…)

In truth it probably would have been better if the dagger had been the key to open Palpatine’s vault.

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#1313043
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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RogueLeader said:

Here is some thoughts on potential deleted scenes:
• Kylo Ren and the Oracle
• Extended Luke and Leia flashback (I doubt the visual effects were even completed)
• Maz gives Rey a pep talk before going to Pasana.
• Lando talks about his long lost daughter.
• Kylo kills Hux.
• Lando talks to Finn back at the Resistance Base.

I feel like a lot of deleted material would be the trimmings of the scenes we mostly got, or original versions of scenes before they were reshot.

Add to this the shot of Leia handling the medal seen in the trailer (and given to Chewie at the end).

Nien Nunb is also seen in the rebel briefing but entirely absent in the space battle and the victory celebration (possibly his fighter is destroyed, but the tide turning against the rebel fighters was already represented by Greg Grunberg’s death).

Having just read the original plot spoilers, most of the deleted scenes would contradict the final edit (such as Kylo kills Hux) and so couldn’t be used in an extended cut. In the case of Rogue One Lucasfilm didn’t see fit to release any of that ‘alternate’ material so am not sure we should hold our breath in this case.

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#1312527
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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The Rise Of Skywalker (2019)

A new Star Wars movie on the big screen is always cause for a trip to the pictures, and The Rise Of Skywalker is no exception – in fact it benefits from more than one such trip! On first viewing this movie can seem like something of a hot mess; spectacular, disorientating, overloaded with characters (both legacy and new trilogy), and rather too rapid for its own good. Thankfully multiple viewings is what the Star Wars movies have proven themselves to be made for. From cinema tickets, to VHS, to DVD, to Blu Ray, and soon to 4K – long-term fans have shown themselves willing to return again and again to this saga. So perhaps a packed Episode IX is not such a bad thing, as devotees will no doubt enjoy returning to savour this hearty meal for many years to come.

The dead speak! So we are told in the opening crawl. Ian McDiarmid’s gloriously evil Emperor Palpatine is back (and he won’t be the only one resurrected during this movie, but more on that later). The camera pans down to a beautiful opening shot that shows Kylo Ren’s Star Destroyer orbiting a red world. We follow Kylo’s mini quest as he rapidly follows an ancient marker which leads him to Exegol, the secret home world of the Sith. Here we find Palpatine (and also news that he was pulling the strings of Snoke - in fact we see what looks like another Snoke floating in a vat of liquid). Kylo had thought to kill Palpatine but after Palpatine pledges him a massive fleet of Star Destroyers, he can’t resist the ambition of turning the First Order into the ‘Final Order’. Now its not 100% clear whether these countless Star Destroyers which suddenly burst from the ground are all crewed but if so it does raise the question of where all the personnel came from and how they are sustained on what appears to be an utterly desolate and storm ridden world. I’ve always been attracted to the original trilogy as a World War 2 movie set in space, and indeed the first three films seemed to provide a serviceable reflection of military warfare; supply lines, command structures, ship-building logistics and such-like – sadly the new trilogy really doesn’t seem to care about any of this. At any rate the appearance of a huge fleet of Star Destroyers, each armed with planet killing cannons, certainly ups the ante more than another Death Star would have done.

We meet our heroes aboard the Falcon, and it’s really nice to see the great chemistry between the cast. I really think the main cast members; Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac and in particular Adam Driver have been a huge boon to the new movies, and their likeability goes to new heights in this film. We go from a really cool crystalline looking space station, to a series of hyperspace skips. Again, we’ve been told in the past that TIE Fighters are short range military craft but the ones in pursuit of the Falcon seem to be able to pursue it through hyperspace, so I guess the screen writers decided to upgrade them. It’s a fun chase sequence at any rate, and the info recovered from the space station leads the goodies to the realisation that they’ll need to find their own path to Exegol to stop Palpatine before he conquers the galaxy.

It’s lovely to see Carrie Fisher one more time heading the resistance. Let’s not forget that it’s her we first meet in A New Hope, well before we’re introduced to Luke or Han. This film pays homage to her as “the Princess of Alderaan” and also we are shown one tantalising shot of a 30-something year old Leia wielding a lightsaber in training – obviously created with the magic of almost photo-real CG but a real unexpected treat nonetheless. I’d heard it said before she passed that Carrie had remarked that The Force Awakens was Harrison’s film, The Last Jedi was Mark’s, and that she’d like this third one to be hers – well in many ways it is, and a poignant last goodbye to a much-loved lady.

The first step in our heroes’ quest leads them to a desert world – it’s all rather familiar. We get another nice chase sequence, not unlike the pod race from Episode I, and we also get to see Rey demonstrate ‘Force Healing’ in a twist on the ‘Daniel in the lion’s den’ bible story. Fans of The Mandalorian will also recognise this as a nice little tie-in to everyone’s favourite little Yoda Baby.

The next destination is where the movie really starts to pick up and find its feet. I really like this section set on the planet Kijimi, it works really well. The snowy environment of ancient stone buildings and lots of stairways (a great detail is the little ramps for droids to navigate) is something quite fresh for Star Wars, and the two new characters we meet here – the slinky Zorii Bliss and the Cartman-esque midget Babu Frik – are both triumphs. In the best Star Wars tradition, they’re entertaining for every second we spend with them and you’re left wanting to know more about their back stories. The film even allows itself to slow down and breath for a moment as Poe and Zorii share an intimate conversation overlooking the higgledy-piggledy rooftops of the town.

C3PO in a moving sequence gives up his memory in order to reveal the destination of the ancient marker. However, he does get his memory back again not much later so it’s a rather phony extraction of viewer sympathy. This isn’t the only case of the film saying you thought ‘x’ was dead but – syke! - actually they’re still alive. It happens rather too often in one form or another (Palpatine, Chewbacca, C3PO, Zorii, Kylo, Han, Rey) and there’s the risk of eye-rolling ‘resurrection fatigue’ creeping in. I personally would have preferred C3PO was left with his memory wiped, it makes his sacrifice and “taking one last look at my friends” speech more meaningful, plus it’s a neat callback to the end of Episode III where he gets his memory unceremoniously wiped.

The film accelerates in the second half. We head into a Star Destroyer to rescue Chewie, across a tumultuous sea into the ruins of the Death Star to retrieve the ancient marker, a quick trip to Jedi island Ach-To, back to the Rebel Base to agree a plan, and then everyone off to Exegol for the final battle. However even though things are moving almost too fast to keep up, the level of visual detail and the quality of the props and sets remains absolutely top level. For example, the cell that Chewie is being held in on the Star Destroyer is only glimpsed for a few seconds and could have been a simple little box room, but it’s not. It’s a masterpiece of attention-to-detail and every inch of the room is filled with something interesting for the eye. It makes me very proud to be British and I know that the peerless set-dressing tradition of the original Star Wars has been impeccably continued for this film at Pinewood Studios.

Having said that, the final confrontation in the ‘Sith Stadium’ at Exegol is actually one of the least interesting environments from a visual perspective. Rather like the later Harry Potter movies, the finale of Rise Of Skywalker goes very much for a murky greyscale palette. The desaturated visuals may have been a choice by director JJ Abrams intended to show the shades of grey within Rey, I’m not sure, but for me it made a very exciting sequence seem rather drab. I did like the outcomes though, and the payoff of the ‘Reylo’ relationship was handled really well. Nice also to see Richard E Grant get to ham it up with a great death scene as the ill-fated Final Order fleet meet their Waterloo.

The Rise Of Skywalker isn’t a perfect movie, in many ways it’s rather messy but there’s so much to enjoy in it. It’s packed with cool moments, big emotions and spectacular visuals. The pace of the film is such that I can imagine there is a fair amount on the cutting room floor (where was Nien Nunb for example in the final attack, and did Wedge really only get 1 second of screen time?). I’m already looking forward to the home release and watching the making of documentaries and deleted scenes. I think there is a bit more to this movie yet to be revealed. And is it the end of Star Wars on the big screen? Not a chance. Star Wars will be back, and we’ll be waiting.

Ps. Chewie gets a medal. About time. About bloomin’ time.

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#1301059
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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If it was completed first then perhaps it wasn’t great (the Spaceballs shot) and the FX guys took another try at it (the SW shot)? Or perhaps the Spaceballs footage being from SW is urban myth I don’t know either way, but I remember a mock up earlier in the thread that showed quite a similar suggestion to filling the blackness around the circular pod tube with greeblies - which the Spaceballs shot does do in fairness so maybe it’s useful?

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#1301046
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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I’ve seen it online in a few places, here on IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094012/trivia)…

The Millennium Falcon from the Star Wars saga makes a cameo appearance in this movie. Given a close look at the exterior shot of the Space Diner, and it can be spotted parked there among the other space vehicles. George Lucas got a chance to read the screenplay before production began, and loved it so much that he decided to have his special effects company, Industrial Light & Magic, help make this movie.

The escape pod launch sequence is an unused clip from Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (1977), provided to Mel Brooks by Lucasfilm.

In a 2013 television interview (shorty before receiving the AFI Lifetime Achievement Award), Mel Brooks stated that he personally obtained George Lucas’ full permission to parody any and all things Star Wars-related but, on one condition, that absolutely no merchandise of any kind be produced from this movie. This is the reason why all Yogurt and the Dinks do is merchandising (it is also why none of the merchandise seen in this movie was ever mass produced or publicly sold in any way).

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#1300981
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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I suspect this is probably well known, but something I just read today that the escape pod shot used several times in Spaceballs is actually unused footage shot for Star Wars.

I know there was a bit of talk about the escape pod shot earlier in the thread so thought perhaps this might be worth sharing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=EfkNvOOiZ_8

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#1299854
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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I didnt think British or American accents for the Imperial Officers was a continuity issue but just thought that the British accent suited them better. With that blond officer being the first proper talking role we see in ROTJ I think it might be nice to redub him as British (as SomethingStarWarsRelated said, it’s not the best line delivery as is).

Are there any American accents for Imperial / First Order Officers in Rogue One, Solo, TFA or TLJ? I’m remembering them all as being British, but could be wrong?

(We’ve also got the brilliant Richard E Grant on the way in Rise Of Skywalker, which will add another classic British accented baddie to the Imperial ranks…)

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#1299746
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Rogue One without CGI Peter Cushing test footage
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“We weren’t doing anything that I think Peter Cushing would’ve objected to. I think this work was done with a great deal of affection and care. We know that Peter Cushing was very proud of his involvement in Star Wars and had said as much, and that he regretted that he never got a chance to be in another Star Wars film because George [Lucas] had killed off his character. This was done in consultation and cooperation with his estate. So we wouldn’t do this if the estate had objected or didn’t feel comfortable with this idea.” John Knoll, VFX Supervisor.

Please feel free to go ahead and be outraged anyway, and create an ‘ethical’ cut of the movie!

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#1299737
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Actually talking of voices, and from the same opening scene with the ‘ungloved hand’, the blond Imperial Officer who says “Inform the Commander that Lord Vader’s shuttle has arrived” speaks with a very noticeably American accent.

If you watch ESB and ROTJ back-to-back its actually quite jarring to hear the US accent from an Imperial officer right at the start of the film - in ESB the British accent was the voice of the Empire’s officer class and it gave the Empire a certain haughty aristocracy that worked very well.

Hardly a game changer but I think redubbing a British accent for that officer would be a nice little improvement to the movie.

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#1293668
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars Live action TV series : <strong>Non Spolier</strong> thread
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Is anyone else curious as to how each episode of The Mandalorian will start?

George Lucas famously paid a fine and resigned from the Directors Guild of America rather than accept convention and place the cast/crew names at Star Wars’ opening.

When it comes to The Mandalorian are you anticipating an opening credits sequence for each ep?

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#1288411
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Thanks for all the additional info Adrian, especially regarding 4K, good to hear considered responses and the rationale behind your decision makes perfect sense. It also sounds like the upcoming 25GB version might go a little way towards improving the image and upscaling potential on a big screen, so I’ll look out for that.

Regarding 4K in general, I think anyone in doubt should watch the newly released 4K edition of ALIEN, a contemporary of Star Wars, to see how remarkable ‘old’ movies can look.

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#1288142
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Good replies guys, and I fully realise that doing SW Revisited 720p is a lot of work for Adywan. There will be many challenges and a long job list. What I am asking is what are the ‘additional’ challenges to making it 4K - what is on that list that wouldn’t be on the 720p version list?

doubleofive mentions requiring significantly more storage space, so that would be an additional challenge. What other challenges to a 4K version are there?

Mala mentions that Adywan is already having to redo everything from scratch for the 720p version. Surely this is more like an opportunity than a problem. If Ady had already done months of work in 720p that would have to be binned then that would be a big problem - is that the case? Because otherwise ‘starting from scratch’ would seem to be the ideal time to move to 4K.

Hal, you make the point that these edits take so long that the next ‘tech’ will outpace you, so why bother. I follow AV geeky tech stuff a fair bit and I truly believe that 4K will be with us for many years to come. 8K TV sets suffer massively from ‘diminishing marginal returns’ and by all accounts the gain between 4K to 8K is barely visible to the eye unless you have a 100" plus screen. The direction that consumers are going is streaming and that allies itself to lower res not higher. Suffice to say that if Revisited were released in 4K, the current high standard, it would have a better chance of longevity than if it were 720p.

I have read the piece, written in 2012 which sets out the reasons for 720p. This was 7 years ago, a lot has changed. There is now a 4K source and furthermore Adywan has dropped the PT Revisited. The original reasons for 720p in the article no longer seem to apply (but perhaps new reasons / challenges have arisen). Here is the article:

"People have been asking why i am not doing the HD versions of the edits in 1080p, but instead opting for 720p. Well it’s down to a few factors; One being that I am having to use the 2006 bonus DVD’s to return some Special Edition shots back to their original state and , as we know, the quality of the Bonus discs is pretty low. Upscaling them and cleaning them up can give some pretty useable results when going to 720p but not so good when going up to 1080p. Another reason is rendering times. The layers of FX / Video i am having to use on many shots slowed my old PC to a crawl when rendering at 720p and just wouldn’t have coped at 1080p. My new PC can handle things a lot better now, but that would mean starting from scratch, which i am not prepared to do.
Another reason is that, when i get around to the prequels, i want to be able to play about with the framing of a lot of the shots. So, for example, i can frame a shot tighter into one of the actors, but keep the quality of the image. Very handy if i want to replace a line of dialogue from one of the actors.

The final reason is the actual quality of the Blu-Rays. Many people don’t realise that these are old transfer scans done in 2003 and the detail levels, especially after the grain removal done by Lucasfilm/ Lowry, isn’t anywhere near as high as they would have been if they had done a fresh scan using todays technology. "

I’d be very interested to hear from Adywan how he feels about potential 4K Revisited now in 2019?

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#1288094
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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I showed ESB Revisited to a friend a few days ago, and noticed the resolution more so this time than when I first watched it nearly two years back.

I have a 75" 4K screen and so it is pushing the image harder than most but I think the more our eyes become accustomed to watching 4K content the more you notice when the presentation is lower def. Just like the moment came to most of us who’d amassed an old VHS collection, where you’d take it to the charity shop because you realised you’d stopped putting the tapes in the player after becoming used to clarity of DVD.

Adywan, I don’t know if you’ve gone too far down the road with 720p to change direction now, but if there is the potential to use the 4K source for either SW:R or ROTJ:R then I think that would be really wise - as the ‘last gen’ feel of 720p is a gulf that is only going to increase in the coming months and years. I don’t think keeping them consistent with ESB:R is a good reason not to as has been suggested, as intentionally hobbling something to bring it ‘down’ to a lower quality would be self-defeating. Technology is moving on and the longevity of the Revisited project would be better served with 4K. At the time of their release fans may have to choose between watching the best edited version (Revisited) or the best looking version (4K), and it will be a compromise. Star Wars fans have long had to compromise on owning the version they really want, and it would be nice to have one that is finally perfection!

Adywan, I know you prize presentation and always have good reasoning, I’d be interested to hear your thoughts and the challenges around Revisited 4K?

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#1283642
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Admiral Ackbar deleted scenes - new Tim Rose interview
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In a video interview published today by Jamie Stangroom, Tim Rose talks about shooting extra material for TFA that wasn’t used, and a proper death scene for TLJ. Source: https://www.fanthatracks.com/news/film-music-tv/admiral-ackbars-spectacular-unseen-death-scene-details/?fbclid=IwAR17vDbXVJ2rnN4V_d-_dEiX0166nsIUuDfxG8pWiqDDEIeMkZnNm_IvLsE

Interviewer: In the last Jedi, did you know that he died? Before you saw the film, as obviously we don’t see it.

Tim Rose: We filmed it all.

Interviewer: You filmed a death scene?

Tim Rose: Oh yes. Even in this day of CG, we finished all our dialogue and they brought in these stuntmen in their flame proof costumes, and it was so dangerous – my death scene – that everybody had to leave set. And they blew them right across the set and with the glass broken in the capsule they get sucked out into the void of space. So the explosion happened which blew them all towards camera, and they were on snap lines and they got sucked to the top of the stage. So it was totally spectacular. Now im not privy to the editing side of things but having seen it for real I suspect they looked at it and said what have we just done.

Interviewer: I like The Last Jedi a lot, but for me I would have gone for the epic Ackbar death. Were you a little disappointed just to have a verbal exit from the saga?

Tim Rose: Yeah, very much so. After The Force Awakens, for whatever reason, length of picture, whatever, it all got cut out. So after waiting 30 years to reprise Ackbar I was a little disappointed with Ackbar’s role in that picture. So in The Last Jedi I was quite looking forward to maybe them giving him something more toothy. We were only given the script on the day we were shooting that piece of script. So each day I would come to work going is this the day that Ackbar gets something more involving. And I looked at my script and said Ackbar’s going out the window, so that’s that then.

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#1277688
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The Mandalorian - Star Wars Live action TV series : <strong>Non Spolier</strong> thread
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Very impressed by what I saw from the sizzle reel and the extended Werner Herzog sequences. When I first heard about potential live action Star Wars for TV back in the Lucas era I was anticipating heavy use of green screen and a teen cast. Thankfully (from my POV at least) this looks like it skews older and is far grittier and more practical based than I could have hoped.

Pedro Pascal looks great as the lead, and said all the right things in the panel. One curiosity is how much he physically resembles Diego Luna as Cassian Andor (who has his own series in the works too), it looked on set like he was rocking the little tache that they both have too!

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#1277311
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Your thoughts on the Episode IX title - <strong>'The Rise Of Skywalker'</strong>
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“It’s time for the Jedi to end…” maybe the title means that a force sensitive person will no longer be called a Jedi, they’ll be called a Skywalker?

The previous film opened the door to the galaxy being filled with a new generation of force sensitive, perhaps Rey and the Resistance choose the title ‘Skywalker’ to denote them as a homage to Luke?

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#1277146
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Speculation…

Shmi “There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him. I can’t explain what happened.”

Palpatine using abilities “some consider to be unnatural” conjured this child of the force within Shmi (a random slave of no importance). Palpatine is secretly Anakin Skywalker’s father (and acts like it throughout the PT).

Palpatine - having survived his fall down the Death Star chasm (much like Luke survived the Cloud City chasm - it rhymes!) used those same abilities to create Rey, again within a random junker of no importance. Palpatine is Rey father, she’s of the same line.

Seems at least possible?

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#1237333
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Star Wars A New Hope Special Edition Jabba Scene
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The larger problem with the deleted scene is that it pre-empts and diminishes the already perfect introduction to the Falcon. The music swells Ben and Luke enter the Falcon hangar, then the music drops for Luke to deliver his classic “What a piece of junk!”.

Plus, I don’t think the deleted Jabba scene gives us anything we didn’t already have as viewers. It doesn’t show us a new environment, the extra plot about Han’s debt is extraneous and covered more efficiently in other scenes, the CGI execution is very poor, and Han’s dialogue “you’re a wonderful human being” doesn’t make sense with the eventual non-human rendition of Jabba.

I think the scene is an interesting extra curio but the film is better without it.