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#1389894
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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/\ In truth that speaks more to Shaw being miscast in the first place than it does to a 78 year old Prowse being right.

But my point remains that I think Prowse had a better face for Vader under the mask than Shaw did, and for what it’s worth I also think he had ‘a better right’ to be Vader, to be seen just once on the big screen without that mask on - but that’s a sentimental viewpoint and perhaps it has no place in the movie business.

If there was some way to put Prowse in that position in Revisited it would be cool, and the documentary reshoot footage might potentially provide that, but I understand the difficulties might be insurmountable…

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#1389501
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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On this particular, and sad, day I’d also throw in my tuppence on the unmasking of Vader in ROTJ and Dave Prowse.

He may not have had the right voice (thankfully James Earl Jones did) but imho he certainly had the right look and could have and should have been the face of Vader at the finale of Jedi.

Even as a child the ‘kindly grandfather’ appearance and English thespian vocal delivery of Sebastian Shaw didn’t fit my expectation of what Vader should look or sound like. With the Prequel Trilogy casting an American actor ‘the English gent’ vocal delivery seems even more incongruous.

As we know from the documentary ‘I Am Your Father’ Dave Prowse filmed the unmasking sequence, I think if Adywan could get the blessing from the filmmakers to use it then it would be a massive coup for ROTJ Revisited, and perhaps… right a wrong for an actor that really deserved his moment without the mask.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbExdNBjOfQ

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#1389496
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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Burdokva2 said:

exitzero said:

B-Wing Pilot-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQYvxxeHftk

Howard Day’s channel has some amazing Star Wars CGI shorts - he has really captured the scale model feel. This is definitely my favoirite and just looks like part of RotJ - https://youtu.be/KIHwQyvVdVY.

Or this, part of the DS1 trench run -
https://youtu.be/QRG1kRR_c9Y

Wonder if any his stuff will make it into the Revisited editions?

Thanks for bringing attention to this, along with what Adrian has created this is the best fan-made work I’ve seen done. It feels authentic to the early 80s and ‘of a piece’ with the original trilogy, and doubtless could be refined still further to fit in seamlessly with Revisited. I too would love to see an Adywan and Howard Day collaboration!

X-Wing’s flyover the Death Star
https://youtu.be/QRG1kRR_c9Y

B-Wing takes out a TIE Interceptor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC55NBBRRN4

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#1384656
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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The Mandalorian Season 2 – Chapters 1 & 2 review

As cinemas around the world close their doors and major movie releases are shunted to 2021 the Mandalorian returns to bring a bit of big screen entertainment direct to our homes.

And wow, do the first two episodes of The Mandalorian’s 2nd Season feel cinematic. ‘Made for TV’ used to mean something like ‘direct to video’ but no longer is it a sign of being subpar. I am prepared to go out on a limb and say that the first two episodes of The Mandalorian are the best a TV show has ever looked.

Star Wars is of course known for spectacle, and the visuals on offer in the new season of The Mandalorian are quite simply gorgeous. The train of Bantha’s winding across the Tatooine desert (the Bantha’s look absolutely real in both longshot and close up). The Krayt Dragon bursting through the mountaintop. The X-Wing pursuit through salmon-pink cloud and majestic ice canyons. Baby Yoda’s face pressed against the frozen glass. These are images that take their place proudly alongside the very best of the Star Wars series, and in some cases look even better (the Special Edition enhancements and the Prequel Trilogy both used fairly early CGI and could look at odds with the live action, so it’s nice to see some of that iconography – such as the pit droids and a podracer being rendered with 2020 standard fx, we also get to see a very believable Praying Mantis previously only glimpsed in the far background during the ’77 Cantina sequence).

The opening episode of Season 2 continues where we left off and no significant time seems to have passed since IG-11’s sacrifice at the end of last Season (in a seemingly throwaway line IG is acknowledged - the Mandalorian has warmed to droids a little more). Mando seeks information from a cyclops (who couldn’t but help remind me of a miniature version of Bernard Bresslaw’s character from Krull) and when he’s double crossed ends up beating down some low rent thugs in a well-staged fight scene.

The lead takes him back to Tatooine, which despite Luke’s assertion “If there’s a bright centre to the universe, you’re on the planet it’s farthest from” really does seem to be the centre of the Star Wars universe. Nothing says old-skool Star Wars like dusty robes, Tusken Raiders, and twin suns. Presumably the Obi Wan series, due to shoot next year, is also going to be Tatooine set and I hope the creative minds behind the franchise manage to keep it feeling as fresh as it does here.

When the Mandalorian rides into Mos Pelgo it wonderfully marries the fantasy genre with the Western, and the saloon shoot out with rival gunslinger (Cobb Vanth wearing Boba Fett’s armour) is only avoided by the arrival of this episode’s villain – the Krayt Dragon. The dragon bones were set dressing for the Tatooine dunes back in 1977 (they originally represented a Diplodocus in the Disney comedy One Of Our Dinosaurs Is Missing), and are just one of several ‘deep cut’ references or easter eggs that knowledgeable fans might pick up on. Sometimes I find easter eggs a bit cutesy and they prick the bubble of believability that has been steadily building, but as a vintage toy collector this first episode had so much to delight that I didn’t begrudge any of it (Weequay! Yak Face Staff! Rocket firing Fett!!).
Suffice to say that the enormous dragon is too much for the Mandalorian alone, and so he teams up with the likable Cobb, the townspeople, and the Tusken Raiders to find its lair and take it out. This all happens at an absorbing unrushed pace, and it’s a measure of the series’ confidence and quality that it doesn’t limit itself to a specific run time, and that each episode can be as long or short as the story requires.

Episode 2 is almost 15 minutes shorter and gives considerably more screen time to the most adorable character that has ever graced Star Wars, Baby Yoda. After an absolutely kick-ass little confrontation with would-be ambushers (death by jetpack is Mando’s most creative kill yet), Mando and Baby Yoda take on a frog-like alien as a passenger aboard the Razor Crest. The frog is transporting a precious cargo of frogspawn eggs, which Baby Yoda keeps eating throughout as a running gag – bad baby!

On the journey Mando falls foul of an X-Wing patrol (one piloted by showrunner Dave Filoni in a cameo) and they have a wonderfully visual pursuit through clouds and ice canyons (no music, but a treat to listen to through a soundbar for the incredible sound design). After crashing into an ice cave the survivors of the Razor Crest discover they are not alone, they’ve wandered into Ridley Scott’s ALIEN and before you can say facehugger they’re being pursued by a horde of superbly rendered CGI spiders. This is another wonderful ‘deep cut’ from the art of Ralph McQuarrie. He painted the ‘knobby white spider’ as concept art for Dagobah, and it’s just brilliant to see it brought to life so vividly here. The action is really well staged, as Mando makes a tactical withdrawal, retreating but maintaining contact with the enemy and keeping just a hairs breadth between him and the encroaching spiders. It’s edge of your seat stuff, an amazing set piece.

If these first two episodes are an indication of what’s to come then we are in for a massive treat. It may be a while before Star Wars reappears on the big screen but when the TV series is this good then the wait will be easy.

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#1383276
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<strong>The Mandalorian</strong> - a general discussion thread - * <em><strong>SPOILERS</strong></em> *
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Yes, the cinematography was really nice in places and several of the shots of the Bantha train were particularly gorgeous (in fact the Bantha’s looked great all round, in close up and longshot, brilliant).

The hyena-like creature slathering over Baby Yoda at the campfire also looked impressively real. TV show FX really have come such a long way in the last couple of years.

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#1346044
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Best Performance in the Original Trilogy
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Harrison Ford was incredible in Star Wars, he’s a charismatic shot of adrenaline to the movie as soon as he appear in the 2nd act. However his performance gets a bit broader in ESB, and by the time of ROTJ he’s become something of a caricature. Guinness also sleepwalks somewhat in ESB and ROTJ.

Cushing is definitely a good shout but considering he’s only in the first film of the trilogy, it’s hard to award it to him.

I’m tempted to say Anthony Daniels or Peter Mayhew. Both created incredibly iconic characters under very difficult performance circumstances.

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#1344267
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What next for Star Wars - Extended Editions?
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I was wondering what’s next in the endless cycle of repackaging and reselling Star Wars. From ‘selected scenes’ on 8mm by Ken Films in 1977, to the 4K Skywalker Saga set released a couple of weeks ago (and all the countless releases in between).

I’m speculating but I think we might get Extended Editions.

It struck me as odd that The Rise Of Skywalker didn’t include any deleted scenes, especially considering comments made by JJ Abrams and others about how much they’d cut. It’s possible that they might release some kind of ‘ultimate edition’ of The Rise Of Skywalker with deleted scenes in coming months, but might Lucasfilm have held them back because they’re thinking a bit bigger. Re-releasing all the films as Extended Editions?

The Lord Of The Rings provides a pretty good barometer that there’d be a market for an extended edition, and we know there’s plenty of decent content (some films have more than others obviously). It would be easily achievable for Lucasfilm to restore and reinstate scenes, and the dream would be that they’d include two versions of each film in the set - the original theatrical (at last!) and the extended edition.

Every time Star Wars is released in a shiny new package or on a new format, we all think it’s the last time we’ll be buying it, but despite streaming it’s inevitable that there will be another. What do you think?

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#1325724
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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https://www.starwars.com/the-rise-of-skywalker

The Rise Of Skywalker on Blu Ray / UHD March 31st, next month!

Mention that here, because on StarWars.com the Saga box set is on the same page, presumably also March 31st.

Amazon still has both releases down as April 20th, so that seems like it needs updating and we’ll be getting the home releases sooner rather than later.

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#1314482
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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It’s only a small detail but the first time Rey uses the light saber in TFA she makes stabbing strikes from the shoulder, exactly like Palpatine does when we see him use his saber in ROTS. They’re the only two characters we see fight in that distinctive way.

At any rate, I think trying to remove Rey Palpatine is folly as it’s such a central element to the film. I think a fan editor would be better off trying to strengthen the Rey Palpatine link rather than remove it, although I don’t have a clue how!

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#1313982
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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The Staff of Ra had to be placed in a specific peghole to show the location. The dagger outline is rather more silly as Rey just happens to be standing on the exact random spot where it lines up!(at least some sort of plinth on the cliff top for the dagger to slot into…)

In truth it probably would have been better if the dagger had been the key to open Palpatine’s vault.

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#1313043
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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RogueLeader said:

Here is some thoughts on potential deleted scenes:
• Kylo Ren and the Oracle
• Extended Luke and Leia flashback (I doubt the visual effects were even completed)
• Maz gives Rey a pep talk before going to Pasana.
• Lando talks about his long lost daughter.
• Kylo kills Hux.
• Lando talks to Finn back at the Resistance Base.

I feel like a lot of deleted material would be the trimmings of the scenes we mostly got, or original versions of scenes before they were reshot.

Add to this the shot of Leia handling the medal seen in the trailer (and given to Chewie at the end).

Nien Nunb is also seen in the rebel briefing but entirely absent in the space battle and the victory celebration (possibly his fighter is destroyed, but the tide turning against the rebel fighters was already represented by Greg Grunberg’s death).

Having just read the original plot spoilers, most of the deleted scenes would contradict the final edit (such as Kylo kills Hux) and so couldn’t be used in an extended cut. In the case of Rogue One Lucasfilm didn’t see fit to release any of that ‘alternate’ material so am not sure we should hold our breath in this case.

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#1312527
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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The Rise Of Skywalker (2019)

A new Star Wars movie on the big screen is always cause for a trip to the pictures, and The Rise Of Skywalker is no exception – in fact it benefits from more than one such trip! On first viewing this movie can seem like something of a hot mess; spectacular, disorientating, overloaded with characters (both legacy and new trilogy), and rather too rapid for its own good. Thankfully multiple viewings is what the Star Wars movies have proven themselves to be made for. From cinema tickets, to VHS, to DVD, to Blu Ray, and soon to 4K – long-term fans have shown themselves willing to return again and again to this saga. So perhaps a packed Episode IX is not such a bad thing, as devotees will no doubt enjoy returning to savour this hearty meal for many years to come.

The dead speak! So we are told in the opening crawl. Ian McDiarmid’s gloriously evil Emperor Palpatine is back (and he won’t be the only one resurrected during this movie, but more on that later). The camera pans down to a beautiful opening shot that shows Kylo Ren’s Star Destroyer orbiting a red world. We follow Kylo’s mini quest as he rapidly follows an ancient marker which leads him to Exegol, the secret home world of the Sith. Here we find Palpatine (and also news that he was pulling the strings of Snoke - in fact we see what looks like another Snoke floating in a vat of liquid). Kylo had thought to kill Palpatine but after Palpatine pledges him a massive fleet of Star Destroyers, he can’t resist the ambition of turning the First Order into the ‘Final Order’. Now its not 100% clear whether these countless Star Destroyers which suddenly burst from the ground are all crewed but if so it does raise the question of where all the personnel came from and how they are sustained on what appears to be an utterly desolate and storm ridden world. I’ve always been attracted to the original trilogy as a World War 2 movie set in space, and indeed the first three films seemed to provide a serviceable reflection of military warfare; supply lines, command structures, ship-building logistics and such-like – sadly the new trilogy really doesn’t seem to care about any of this. At any rate the appearance of a huge fleet of Star Destroyers, each armed with planet killing cannons, certainly ups the ante more than another Death Star would have done.

We meet our heroes aboard the Falcon, and it’s really nice to see the great chemistry between the cast. I really think the main cast members; Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac and in particular Adam Driver have been a huge boon to the new movies, and their likeability goes to new heights in this film. We go from a really cool crystalline looking space station, to a series of hyperspace skips. Again, we’ve been told in the past that TIE Fighters are short range military craft but the ones in pursuit of the Falcon seem to be able to pursue it through hyperspace, so I guess the screen writers decided to upgrade them. It’s a fun chase sequence at any rate, and the info recovered from the space station leads the goodies to the realisation that they’ll need to find their own path to Exegol to stop Palpatine before he conquers the galaxy.

It’s lovely to see Carrie Fisher one more time heading the resistance. Let’s not forget that it’s her we first meet in A New Hope, well before we’re introduced to Luke or Han. This film pays homage to her as “the Princess of Alderaan” and also we are shown one tantalising shot of a 30-something year old Leia wielding a lightsaber in training – obviously created with the magic of almost photo-real CG but a real unexpected treat nonetheless. I’d heard it said before she passed that Carrie had remarked that The Force Awakens was Harrison’s film, The Last Jedi was Mark’s, and that she’d like this third one to be hers – well in many ways it is, and a poignant last goodbye to a much-loved lady.

The first step in our heroes’ quest leads them to a desert world – it’s all rather familiar. We get another nice chase sequence, not unlike the pod race from Episode I, and we also get to see Rey demonstrate ‘Force Healing’ in a twist on the ‘Daniel in the lion’s den’ bible story. Fans of The Mandalorian will also recognise this as a nice little tie-in to everyone’s favourite little Yoda Baby.

The next destination is where the movie really starts to pick up and find its feet. I really like this section set on the planet Kijimi, it works really well. The snowy environment of ancient stone buildings and lots of stairways (a great detail is the little ramps for droids to navigate) is something quite fresh for Star Wars, and the two new characters we meet here – the slinky Zorii Bliss and the Cartman-esque midget Babu Frik – are both triumphs. In the best Star Wars tradition, they’re entertaining for every second we spend with them and you’re left wanting to know more about their back stories. The film even allows itself to slow down and breath for a moment as Poe and Zorii share an intimate conversation overlooking the higgledy-piggledy rooftops of the town.

C3PO in a moving sequence gives up his memory in order to reveal the destination of the ancient marker. However, he does get his memory back again not much later so it’s a rather phony extraction of viewer sympathy. This isn’t the only case of the film saying you thought ‘x’ was dead but – syke! - actually they’re still alive. It happens rather too often in one form or another (Palpatine, Chewbacca, C3PO, Zorii, Kylo, Han, Rey) and there’s the risk of eye-rolling ‘resurrection fatigue’ creeping in. I personally would have preferred C3PO was left with his memory wiped, it makes his sacrifice and “taking one last look at my friends” speech more meaningful, plus it’s a neat callback to the end of Episode III where he gets his memory unceremoniously wiped.

The film accelerates in the second half. We head into a Star Destroyer to rescue Chewie, across a tumultuous sea into the ruins of the Death Star to retrieve the ancient marker, a quick trip to Jedi island Ach-To, back to the Rebel Base to agree a plan, and then everyone off to Exegol for the final battle. However even though things are moving almost too fast to keep up, the level of visual detail and the quality of the props and sets remains absolutely top level. For example, the cell that Chewie is being held in on the Star Destroyer is only glimpsed for a few seconds and could have been a simple little box room, but it’s not. It’s a masterpiece of attention-to-detail and every inch of the room is filled with something interesting for the eye. It makes me very proud to be British and I know that the peerless set-dressing tradition of the original Star Wars has been impeccably continued for this film at Pinewood Studios.

Having said that, the final confrontation in the ‘Sith Stadium’ at Exegol is actually one of the least interesting environments from a visual perspective. Rather like the later Harry Potter movies, the finale of Rise Of Skywalker goes very much for a murky greyscale palette. The desaturated visuals may have been a choice by director JJ Abrams intended to show the shades of grey within Rey, I’m not sure, but for me it made a very exciting sequence seem rather drab. I did like the outcomes though, and the payoff of the ‘Reylo’ relationship was handled really well. Nice also to see Richard E Grant get to ham it up with a great death scene as the ill-fated Final Order fleet meet their Waterloo.

The Rise Of Skywalker isn’t a perfect movie, in many ways it’s rather messy but there’s so much to enjoy in it. It’s packed with cool moments, big emotions and spectacular visuals. The pace of the film is such that I can imagine there is a fair amount on the cutting room floor (where was Nien Nunb for example in the final attack, and did Wedge really only get 1 second of screen time?). I’m already looking forward to the home release and watching the making of documentaries and deleted scenes. I think there is a bit more to this movie yet to be revealed. And is it the end of Star Wars on the big screen? Not a chance. Star Wars will be back, and we’ll be waiting.

Ps. Chewie gets a medal. About time. About bloomin’ time.

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#1301059
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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If it was completed first then perhaps it wasn’t great (the Spaceballs shot) and the FX guys took another try at it (the SW shot)? Or perhaps the Spaceballs footage being from SW is urban myth I don’t know either way, but I remember a mock up earlier in the thread that showed quite a similar suggestion to filling the blackness around the circular pod tube with greeblies - which the Spaceballs shot does do in fairness so maybe it’s useful?

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#1301046
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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I’ve seen it online in a few places, here on IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094012/trivia)…

The Millennium Falcon from the Star Wars saga makes a cameo appearance in this movie. Given a close look at the exterior shot of the Space Diner, and it can be spotted parked there among the other space vehicles. George Lucas got a chance to read the screenplay before production began, and loved it so much that he decided to have his special effects company, Industrial Light & Magic, help make this movie.

The escape pod launch sequence is an unused clip from Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (1977), provided to Mel Brooks by Lucasfilm.

In a 2013 television interview (shorty before receiving the AFI Lifetime Achievement Award), Mel Brooks stated that he personally obtained George Lucas’ full permission to parody any and all things Star Wars-related but, on one condition, that absolutely no merchandise of any kind be produced from this movie. This is the reason why all Yogurt and the Dinks do is merchandising (it is also why none of the merchandise seen in this movie was ever mass produced or publicly sold in any way).

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#1300981
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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I suspect this is probably well known, but something I just read today that the escape pod shot used several times in Spaceballs is actually unused footage shot for Star Wars.

I know there was a bit of talk about the escape pod shot earlier in the thread so thought perhaps this might be worth sharing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=EfkNvOOiZ_8

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#1299854
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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I didnt think British or American accents for the Imperial Officers was a continuity issue but just thought that the British accent suited them better. With that blond officer being the first proper talking role we see in ROTJ I think it might be nice to redub him as British (as SomethingStarWarsRelated said, it’s not the best line delivery as is).

Are there any American accents for Imperial / First Order Officers in Rogue One, Solo, TFA or TLJ? I’m remembering them all as being British, but could be wrong?

(We’ve also got the brilliant Richard E Grant on the way in Rise Of Skywalker, which will add another classic British accented baddie to the Imperial ranks…)

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#1299746
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Rogue One - without CGI Peter Cushing test footage (* unfinished project *)
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“We weren’t doing anything that I think Peter Cushing would’ve objected to. I think this work was done with a great deal of affection and care. We know that Peter Cushing was very proud of his involvement in Star Wars and had said as much, and that he regretted that he never got a chance to be in another Star Wars film because George [Lucas] had killed off his character. This was done in consultation and cooperation with his estate. So we wouldn’t do this if the estate had objected or didn’t feel comfortable with this idea.” John Knoll, VFX Supervisor.

Please feel free to go ahead and be outraged anyway, and create an ‘ethical’ cut of the movie!

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#1299737
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED **
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Actually talking of voices, and from the same opening scene with the ‘ungloved hand’, the blond Imperial Officer who says “Inform the Commander that Lord Vader’s shuttle has arrived” speaks with a very noticeably American accent.

If you watch ESB and ROTJ back-to-back its actually quite jarring to hear the US accent from an Imperial officer right at the start of the film - in ESB the British accent was the voice of the Empire’s officer class and it gave the Empire a certain haughty aristocracy that worked very well.

Hardly a game changer but I think redubbing a British accent for that officer would be a nice little improvement to the movie.

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#1299724
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Rogue One - without CGI Peter Cushing test footage (* unfinished project *)
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Peter Cushing was an actor.

Tarkin is a character. Do you see the difference? I can assure you Peter Cushing’s ‘corpse’ as you emotively wrote is quite undisturbed. Perhaps you should issue a fatwa on anyone who makes an image of someone who has passed?

Seems mock moral outrage is all the rage online today though.