Master Sifo-Dyas

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Post: #58629
Topic: Editing the '2oo4 Editions' - which changes would you revert?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58629/action/topic#58629
Time: 8-Aug-2004 9:47 AM

jimbo, HAL9000: I understand were your respective point of views come from and both are valid, but I'd rather prefer it if people would channel such requests through PMs. It was always my opinion that open bootleg talk could mean the undoing of these boards one day.

HAL9000: I did not plan to publically share my edits, because that would involve copyright infringement since it'd mostly contain footage from the '2oo4 editions', that will (unlike the original theatrical cuts) still being sold at that given time. I assume in many countries even the publication of the original theatrical cuts might not be legal.

Although I might freely share it with some of my friends who don't have the technical equipment nor the ability to create such an edit for themselves, but are still interested in having my custom version alongside with their '2oo4 edition' originals.

Hehe, but it's all just wishful thinking, atm. We'll have to wait and see if I'm actually able to pull it off.

Post: #58621
Topic: Editing the '2oo4 Editions' - which changes would you revert?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58621/action/topic#58621
Time: 8-Aug-2004 9:31 AM

Yah, I actually think there are quite a bunch of ways to explain the appearance of a younger Anakin spirit. The simple fact is, that I prefer the older Anakin spirit to appear in the end. That's why my personal edit of my EpIII DVD will have the explanation of a younger Anakin spirit in RotJ 'misterously vanish'.

Post: #58619
Topic: Editing the '2oo4 Editions' - which changes would you revert?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58619/action/topic#58619
Time: 8-Aug-2004 9:22 AM

jimbo, Rebelscum: Heh, I never really pondered over this before, but your discussion kinda made me to. I can't remember were I read/heard it, but George Lucas himself once said that he wants people to think of his six StarWars films as one big film.

But I think you two are absolutely right. I am really a fans of the prequels as well, but when it comes down to it, they are really not designed to be watched before the classic trilogy, for they reveal so many informations that shouldn't be available for first time classic trilogy watchers (I'm thinking follow up generations here). So I think you two are right that they really don't work as 'one big film' when watched in the correct chronological order of story events.

Jimbo, you have to think about it from the point-of-view of people watching the movies for the first time and how the story works out then. If there are too many spoilers in there, all those great moments us StarWars veterans had during scenes like Vader revealing him being Luke's father will be ruined for them - now with the '2oo4 Editions' they won't even be able to avoid those spoilers by watching the classic trilogy first.

Much of the new stuff seems to be tailored for viewers who already have seen the classics a dozen times.

Post: #58608
Topic: Editing the '2oo4 Editions' - which changes would you revert?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58608/action/topic#58608
Time: 8-Aug-2004 8:33 AM

Well, I do like having Ian McDiarmid as Emperor in ESB. What I do not like is the dialogue changes that are rumored to have gone along with it. Hopefully the new footage can be edited in a way that allows to keep Ian McDiarmid minus the over-revealing dialogue changes.

Post: #58593
Topic: Editing the '2oo4 Editions' - which changes would you revert?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58593/action/topic#58593
Time: 8-Aug-2004 7:40 AM

Well, actually the wolfman thing is more about nostalgia feelings on my side, to be honest. Yet on the other hand I was never very happy with the creature they used to replace the wolfman (especially since I thought that it just looked equally crappy, not better. So I'd rather stick with what I got used to watch). Another thing is, that they did a sloppy job replacing the creature, since they left the 'wolfman sounds' in there instead of creating unique sounds for the new creature they came up with.

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The 'Bring me my shuttle' line is a controversial thing. How do we know that it's already there? We don't know that. Perhaps he had it sent up back to his stardestroyer on the far side of the system to hide any kind of imperial presence on Bespin. Fact is, we don't know. It's just a matter of viewer's off-screen imagination. My main reason to revert back to the old line is consistency of sound. The line they used to replace the old one, was taken from the dialogue archives of epIV so it doesn't really 'go with the flow' as Vader does sound entirely different (even though it's the same actor talking).

Another thing is, that that line kinda announces what will happen next. Redundant informations like that always get on my nerves, because it makes me feel like LFL thinks I'm too dumb to add 2+2 together. I don't need to be told everything twice. I want a fast paced movie. And that elongated scene/dialogue always seems to hit the brake on the action for me. In my eyes it's like a double post on a forum that no one cared to delete.

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When it comes down to the rings in the blasts in 'A New Hope', I never thought they were a huge improvement. In fact it made it even more boring because every planetary body (Alderaan, DeathStar I, DeathStar II) all had that same effect, same color, same extension speed and above all: 2 Dimensional. The only time it really felt like an improvement to me, was in RotJ since I was never quite satisfied with the cartoony look of that explosion. So for the sake of keeping that effect addition fresh and unique to me, I only left it with the explosion that looked the most boring to my eyes in it's original form.

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Edit: The Dianoga thing is just a first reaction to the screenshot I saw of it, eventually I'll leave it in there. Alas, at this moment I'm really bored about yet another monster with 'cateyes'. That's really all there is to it for me.

Post: #58589
Topic: Editing the '2oo4 Editions' - which changes would you revert?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58589/action/topic#58589
Time: 8-Aug-2004 6:38 AM

This is a discussion that started in another thread, as sort of an 'off topic' element of it. Since I deemed this topic to be worthy of it's own thread, so here's what's been said so far:

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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
Once the '2oo4 editions' are out on DVD I will use all my available resources to recut the films to my liking, undoing all the changes I did not like (hopefully I'll have a dual layer burner by then, so I can put both german and english audio tracks on there).

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Originally posted by: jimbo
Id like to do the same thing really. I would have to do very little editing since I oviously love the vast majority of the changes. My edit would be the 2004 edition except

Han shoots first (I know Joe_H that is looks alot better then 1997 but I still liked it better in its original form)
Jabba scene would still be there except the camera pulls away when Han steps on Jabbas tail
Bobas has his old voice
Shaw would play Anakins ghost

Master Sifo-Dyas you claim you would like to edit out bad changes. Which ones would you edit out? I gave mine.

Well, I'm haven't really thought in detail about the changes I plan to take back, but here's what I could come up with from the top of my head:

- Remove 'funny' slapstick scenes like the robo-drone teasing the worker droid and the java falling from his steed.
- Restore the wolfman to the cantina scene.
- Restore Han not waiting for Greedo to shoot first
- Cut the infamous Jabba/Boba Fett/Falcon appearing ahead of their time scene
- Restore the original Alderaan explosion
- Restore the blaster chest-impacts on Imperial Officers aboard the deathstar
- Eventually restore the old Dianoga eye (since I don't really like yet another cat-eyed monster)
- Restore the old deathstar explosion

- Find a smart way to reedit the 'Emperor's phone call' scene, to avoid Vader having to say new lines (and probably cutting down on the dumbed down 'in-your-face' mentioning of Luke). If that should not be possible, undo the change and use the old scene.
- Restore Luke's 'you're lucky you don't taste very good' line
- Restore Vader's original 'ugh' when he falls from the carbon freeze platform
- Remove the Emperor's deathshout from Luke's plunge down the ventilation shaft on Bespin
- Restore Vader's line to 'Bring my shuttle', leaving the expanded scene intact with the exception of the recycled RotJ shots inside the stardestroyer's hangar.
- Eventually cutting down on the number of the 'opened up' wall scenes on cloud city.

- Eventually restoring the old 'lapti nek' scene
- Restoring Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's ghost (and remove the lines that explain hayden's appearance in epVI from epIII, once that is out on DVD)

That's all I can come up with for now. Yet I think it'll be enough work already

Post: #58188
Topic: Okay, I just have to get this off my chest!!!!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58188/action/topic#58188
Time: 5-Aug-2004 3:09 PM

Well, I'm kinda bored over this kindergarten quarrel, there's nothing humorous about it at all. It's really nothing more but beating the dead horse. At least Luke declared a 'cease fire', now the ball is in jimbo's court to do so likewise. I hope they (and everybody else 'involved') can manage to settle this once and for all.

Also I didn't leave, I just dropped back into lurk-mode. I'm still creating artwork to help express the feelings of those who grew up loving the original cuts and collecting material for my flier that is supposed to go in-print this month. It's unbelievable how uninformed the average german DVD buyer is and I really hope to be able to change that (don't cross your fingers though).

Once the '2oo4 editions' are out on DVD I will use all my available resources to recut the films to my liking, undoing all the changes I did not like (hopefully I'll have a dual layer burner by then, so I can put both german and english audio tracks on there). -- May the force be with us

Post: #58161
Topic: Okay, I just have to get this off my chest!!!!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58161/action/topic#58161
Time: 5-Aug-2004 12:51 PM

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I doubt Joe_H and Jimbo are the same. Joe seems to have a good grasp on the English language. He can form sentences, opinions, etc.

Yay, for trolling! Exactly the type of 'quality posts' this forum needs another load of...

Post: #58156
Topic: Okay, I just have to get this off my chest!!!!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58156/action/topic#58156
Time: 5-Aug-2004 12:33 PM

I've been reading these boards for a long time and the jimbo-Luke grudge goes back quite a long time. And neither jimbo nor Luke are able to put the matter to a rest. That's how I see it (and one of the reasons I stopped posting regularly in here).

Post: #58083
Topic: Okay, I just have to get this off my chest!!!!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58083/action/topic#58083
Time: 5-Aug-2004 5:12 AM

Regarding the 'Luke & jimbo situation': The pointless bickering between jimbo and Luke has been going on for a long long time, with Luke once achieving a temporary 'victory' by having jimbo temporarily banned from the message boards, since enough people seemed to agree with Luke's point of view.

If all you'll be trying to do is an attempt 'contributing' to their childish personal quarrel (let alone 'picking a side'), then by all means you're not really welcome by me.

Regarding the 'We owe Lucas situation': I don't owe him anything - and he doesn't owe me anything. His 'fan relations' are on a business-level only. Everybody who believes differently is an idealistic fool (which is not necessarily a bad thing, though), he doesn't give a rats ass about what fans like or don't like (the changes in the '2oo4 Editions' of the classic trilogy should make that quite clear). And he certainly doesn't make any difference between die-hard-lucas-lovers or die-hard-lucas-haters. He doesn't need us to like it anymore.

In the end he is like all of us, obsessed with 'his favorite vision' of StarWars. Alas, what makes him unique is that he is the only person who has the power to create new changed versions as well as preserving the original versions. Is Lucas evil because he doesn't want to preserve the original versions? No. Irresponsible? Yes. Why? Because "with great power, comes great responsibility."

I for once just wish he would follow the laws of logic and make a special edition of the classics that'd actually make sense (that still wouldn't be my favorite version of the films, but at least I could sit down and nod and say "hmm... I don't like that he changed it, but it actually makes sense on a strictly logical basis and it was superbly implemented, artistically as well as technically.)

The director's cut of THX-1138 shows he can apply reasonable changes that follow the original spirit of the story and actually amplify the mood and atmosphere of the setting. That said, it appears that all those silly and illogical changes contained within the upcoming '2oo4 Editions' were purposedly done that way - go figure.

There's only one thing I have left to say to Lucas himself (although I doubt he'll hear nor understand me): "Tread lightly George, for you tread on our dreams..."

Post: #55167
Topic: THX-1138 on DVD, please...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55167/action/topic#55167
Time: 16-Jul-2004 7:33 AM

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Originally posted by: TR47
I've seen a preview of the upcoming DVD, and it does appear that the changes actually will help the film, rather than being a blatant marketing ploy/CGI test.

Exactly my impression as well, TR47. I'm actually looking forward to the release of this DVD.

Post: #54574
Topic: Police Academy is Back?!?!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54574/action/topic#54574
Time: 10-Jul-2004 5:45 PM

well we're talking about a mangler bro' clone army here

Post: #54563
Topic: Police Academy is Back?!?!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54563/action/topic#54563
Time: 10-Jul-2004 9:36 AM

I think the prevention of the reanimation of this comedy corpse, might be worth a road trip (I'd sponsor a clone army or two, yet I'd assume the mangler brothers'd be enough for the job).

Post: #54562
Topic: It's not just Motti & Dayv...........WHERE'S SHIMRAA????
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54562/action/topic#54562
Time: 10-Jul-2004 9:33 AM

Or else I'll "see to it personally" and send out a detachment of clones to get him.

Post: #54560
Topic: THX-1138 on DVD, please...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54560/action/topic#54560
Time: 10-Jul-2004 9:25 AM

Hi, I recently found a link to a very cool after/before picture comparison of the changes that will be applied to the DVD version of the film. As much as I did not like many of the changes applied to the classic starwars trilogy, as much I'm loving the changes they applied to this film. It really amplifies the atmosphere of it all, imho. Yet, I still believe George Lucas should have put both versions out on DVD, for the sake of historical reference.

Here are the links: Page 1, Page 2

Post: #54054
Topic: GENERAL GRIEVOUS confirmed
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54054/action/topic#54054
Time: 1-Jul-2004 5:11 PM

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In comparison to Vader, Grievous is more sinister and creepy.

That's a quote tf.n posted in their rundown of hightlights of the recent Rob Coleman Hyperspace chat.

In my humble opinion, they're heading in the wrong direction with this whole Grievous thing. Not only is this stealing away Count Dooku screentime and story relevance, it also seems to be an attempt to 'wuss down' the character of Darth Vader. What do you guys think of this?

Post: #52678
Topic: More Clone Wars Cartoons directly before Ep3
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/52678/action/topic#52678
Time: 11-Jun-2004 4:04 AM

Err... it's 50 bucks a year, ricarleite.

Post: #52559
Topic: More Clone Wars Cartoons directly before Ep3
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/52559/action/topic#52559
Time: 9-Jun-2004 2:39 AM

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Originally posted by: Endor Forest
The Original Trilogy has been available in DVD format.
They are in dual layer DVD and in widescreen format.
They are transferred from the Definitive Collection LD.
Only $29.99 per set at www.endorforest.com.

Someone ban this spamming scum!

Post: #52491
Topic: More Clone Wars Cartoons directly before Ep3
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/52491/action/topic#52491
Time: 8-Jun-2004 8:57 PM

Now it's official!

Here's a snippet of the sw.com article:

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Following the immense success of the first 20 chapters of the animated Star Wars: Clone Wars micro-series, Lucasfilm Ltd. and Cartoon Network will continue the saga with five new expanded chapters beginning March 21, 2005.

Once again helmed by Genndy Tartakovsky, Star Wars: Clone Wars continues where Chapter 20 left off, but in a new format. Whereas previous installments were just three minutes long, each new chapter will be 12 minutes, promising viewers four times the excitement, adventures and intrigue as they lead into the long-awaited finale to the saga, Star Wars: Episode III.

Post: #51860
Topic: More Clone Wars Cartoons directly before Ep3
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/51860/action/topic#51860
Time: 2-Jun-2004 6:27 AM

Hey folks!

Just snatched this piece of news from tf.n:

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More Clone War Cartoons
Wed, Jun 02, 04 09:08:15 AM EDT

Princess Leia tells us that 20 new Clone Wars episodes are signed for and will debut in the Spring of 2005, just prior to the release of Episode III. We would speculate that the animators will get to see the final movie at a screening shortly and develop the plot closely tied to the new movie. We're also hearing that a Clone Wars DVD release is a pending announcement, though we're not sure if both "seasons" will be included or first only. More soon!

Post: #51725
Topic: Motti and dayv are missing
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/51725/action/topic#51725
Time: 31-May-2004 9:38 AM

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Originally posted by: jimbo
Who cares

*imitates Donkey's voice* "Me, Me! Pick me!"

I miss 'em too, I'm sure they're just lurking in the background like I do.

Post: #51278
Topic: Sad news for babylon 5 fans
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/51278/action/topic#51278
Time: 23-May-2004 4:25 AM

Richard Biggs' was a cool guy and I loved his characterisation of Dr. Stephen Franklin. Rest in peace mr. Biggs you will always be fondly remembered †

This is just sad. I will miss him tremendously.

Post: #51253
Topic: "catastrophe" movies
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/51253/action/topic#51253
Time: 21-May-2004 8:23 PM

Roland Emmerich is actually a german. In an interview on german television, he stated that this movie connects his faible for big disaster-films and his wish to incite a discussion and second thoughts about the excessive 'american way of life' that creates pollution and depletes natural resources at a rapid rate and neglects all the possible consequences of such a life-style.

The only thing that makes me doubt his motivations is, that his films usually have a very american flavored happy end. Such an ending would be counter-productive to his goal to provoke a public discussion about the environmental consequences of the irresponsibility in common lifestyles in 'modern' industry nations.

Films like 'Independence Day' and his remake of 'Godzilla' were successful worldwide, so I wouldn't say the phenomenom of people being attracted to disaster films is only present within the borders of the United States.

Post: #50429
Topic: AVP
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/50429/action/topic#50429
Time: 15-May-2004 11:38 AM

Lance Henriksen this time is the real deal. He plays the character of Charles Bishop Weyland, one of the founders of the Weyland-Yutani corporation (just like the synthetic in Alien3 pretended to be).

Post: #48747
Topic: Popular games ported to Macintosh
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/48747/action/topic#48747
Time: 7-May-2004 6:02 AM

Hmm... since I'm not into mac, I don't really know where to get game demos for the mac.

But should I stumble across a good source for things like that, I'll post 'em here.

Edit: Thank Google! I found some links for yeh!

The Mac Section of demofiles.com, The Mac section of game-revolution.com and last
but not least Macgamefiles.com (it features a download for the C&C: Generals mac-demo).