Master Lawdog

A great first part analysis on Kylo Ren from AT-AT Chat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBD57aTZtQo

MalàStrana said:

nl0428 said:

SilverWook said:

Didn’t the micro series air slightly ahead of Episode III? Coming off of that impression of Grevious into the movie version would be a letdown.

Yes, the micro-series aired from 2003 to 2005, ending not long before Revenge of the Sith was released. The micro-series was the very first appearance Grievous made too.

And too bad Lucas Grievous wasn’t exactly the one seen in the brillant micro series. He still retains the design and a few aspects though, but he’s missing the frightening part Genndy gave him. Probably the best villain in the Saga, aside from Vader and Sidious of course, and maybe equal to Jabba. Such a shame its best version isn’t cannon anymore.

I do agree that it was the best depiction of Grievous. I don’t know if I would say he is the best villain in the saga. I would still put Vader and Palpatine up there as the best, but I’d even say Kylo Ren is there too, even though I’ve grown to also consider him a protagonist in the franchise.

SilverWook said:

Didn’t the micro series air slightly ahead of Episode III? Coming off of that impression of Grevious into the movie version would be a letdown.

Yes, the micro-series aired from 2003 to 2005, ending not long before Revenge of the Sith was released. The micro-series was the very first appearance Grievous made too.

RogueLeader said:

MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:

MalàStrana said:

Grievous figure, i.e. the new charismatic vilain

We just going to ignore this?

Oh yeah sorry, I wrote it in French: I meant to write “villain”, with two “l”. “Vilain” is the French spelling.

I think he meant how you referred to Grievous as a compelling villain!

I real disappointing aspect about Grievous is that he wasn’t portrayed nearly as serious and brutal as he was in Genndy Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars micro-series moving forward.

Hal 9000 said:

I guess I never went and edited the OP. Whenever everything’s done, whenever that is, it’ll be proven wrong.

Okay. I was just a bit confused. I can’t wait to see them. I’m also making my own custom special editions myself. Mainly based on my own personal favorite changes seen in the Special Editions and restoring the original parts as well.

CourtlyHades296 said:

Mods can edit thread titles.

I know that, I was just asking Hal why he said in the description that this project may never happen, despite working on it, mentioning on making them in his editor’s commentary to The Force Awakens, and having completed his custom special edition of The Empire Strikes Back.

Hal 9000 said:

nl0428 said:

I am wondering why you said that this is a project that will most likely never be made by you. You are working on this project, and you already completed work on The Empire Strikes Back.

The reason is simple: We can’t edit thread titles. 😃

I don’t understand what you mean by that.

I am wondering why you said that this is a project that will most likely never be made by you. You are working on this project, and you already completed work on The Empire Strikes Back.

SilverWook said:

If it’s good, three hours will fly on by.

Just don’t order the Abyss Boy at the concession stand. 😉

I made sure to drink sparsely when I saw Endgame.

DominicCobb said:

JJ doesn’t strike me as the kinda guy who’d put out a movie that length, but I’d be totally okay with it too (if warranted).

Not to go off topic, but I did see Avengers: Endgame this weekend. Kevin Feige said that it has the perfect runtime, and I can say that he’s absolutely right. I believe The Rise of Skywalker will have the best runtime. Some movies work best long, some work best short. The Last Jedi was two and a half hours long. Personally, I thought it worked, but she may disagree saying that it could’ve been shorter. Plus, when I make my own fan edits, runtime is usually the last element I think of in the creative process.

While it will be a journey, I do believe that The Rise of Skywalker will be quite character driven.

RogueLeader said:

Though I think having these discussions are nice, because it helps me articulate why I like the movies.

So do I.

NeverarGreat said:

Rey being a nobody is the one ‘twist’ that actually worked in TLJ, so that would be a nah from me.

I agree with you. Let her be her own character. I’m fine with Kylo Ren being the only new character in the trilogy to be the descendant of familiar characters.

ChainsawAsh said:

I mean…is that supposed to make me okay with using the wrong pictures on the wrong posters? He’s at least wearing the right costume.

I also noticed Han in ROTJ is another ANH photo.

No, it’s just something else to point out. I like this crossover. I tried my best for making prequel styled posters for The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi.

ChainsawAsh said:

The ESB one bugs me. Han is from ANH, Leia is from ROTJ.

Also I don’t like that they recreate the prequel posters precisely, down to the same layout of characters, rather than try to make a new poster in the same style.

Look at Luke in the poster for A New Hope. That was a promotional picture that was taken of Mark Hamill in the farm boy outfit after the trilogy was complete.

I don’t know if anyone has seen these posters of the Original Trilogy made in the style of the Prequels.

Has anyone thought about making posters for the Sequel Trilogy in this same style? I made some for The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, but they aren’t that very good.

ChainsawAsh said:

I…um…okay.

What is it?

ChainsawAsh said:

nl0428 said:

OutboundFlight said:

My advice to anyone with an EA game: do not buy until the reviews come out and the inevitable controversy leaks.

They always make the game seem perfect, then comes launch. I didn’t buy Battlefront 2 until after they confirmed a change in micro transactions. I bought it not feeling ripped off.

Likewise I chose to skip on BFV following their controversy.

Well, that can be said about new EA games. Old games that EA doesn’t really put out anymore I would say are safe to buy.

I don’t know about you, but I always wait for the reviews to come in before I buy an old game.

I agree, I do the same before I buy any game, old or new.

OutboundFlight said:

My advice to anyone with an EA game: do not buy until the reviews come out and the inevitable controversy leaks.

They always make the game seem perfect, then comes launch. I didn’t buy Battlefront 2 until after they confirmed a change in micro transactions. I bought it not feeling ripped off.

Likewise I chose to skip on BFV following their controversy.

Well, that can be said about new EA games. Old games that EA doesn’t really put out anymore I would say are safe to buy.

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:
What I’m getting is, Rey needs to be jailed in IX for theft. Let’s Make Star Wars Pointlessly Pedantic About Possesions and Inheritance! That’s what the series has always needed. Can’t wait for the climactic court case where Kylo Ren claims ownership of the Falcon.

Valheru_84 said:
It is not my intent to be overly literal and logical about it all (it’s just how my thought process works), my initial feeling that Rey didn’t have the right to just take the saber from Luke was just that - a feeling, which contributed to my dislike for the character. It is only in discussing and trying to explain it that I am looking deeper myself and laying out my detailed perspective on why I happen to see it this way, often in response to simplistic replies that seem to brush it aside as nothing of consequence despite it having an impact on the judgement of Rey’s moral fibre (which is why I also tie the matter into her physical abuse of Luke and threatening him with the saber which at this point is not even her’s to use).

Hey Dom…you remember how I made that point a while back how I felt that Rey had no right to take Luke’s lightsaber that he inherited from his father? - I’d completely forgotten that Rey also took the original Jedi texts! So while there are some shades of grey and certain points of view (if you will) that can be debated about the whole saber matter, I think the Jedi texts are pretty much a clear cut 2nd example of Rey’s tendency to just take things that don’t belong to her (ie. stealing). Whatever justifications can be made that do ring true, it doesn’t change the circumstances under which she took things that weren’t hers to take.

I think that Rey took the sacred Jedi texts because, while Luke preserved them, he wasn’t putting any use to them. Rey is still young and has much to learn, despite having more patience than Luke did in the Original Trilogy. Rey may have taken the books, but it isn’t anything bad of what she did. Yoda already knew she had taken them when he struck the the tree on fire.

pleasehello said:

nl0428 said:

pleasehello said:

DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

I don’t know exactly how they will portray Ben’s redemption, but I definitely see it happening, and I think Rey will play a part of it. I think it will be romantic love that puts the galaxy back together.

It’s a theory I’ve heard often (even literally my mom said this was her theory after she saw TLJ) and while I don’t have anything against it, personally I’d be surprised if it happens in an explicit “Rey and Ben are a romantic pair and will live happily ever after” way.

I doubt it will happen. Other than that scene where Rey and Kylo touch hands, the rest of the sequel trilogy seems weirdly asexual to me, at least in the traditional sense. Like it’s something that purposely being tiptoed around.

Rose kissing Finn was asexual?

Don’t know how I missed this, but to answer your question two months after the fact:

I suppose the act itself is not technically asexual by its nature, but it felt about as asexual as is possible for an onscreen kiss. There was nothing in the film that built up to that kiss or even hinted at any kind of romance between Rose and Finn. They spent almost the whole movie onscreen together and there was very little chemistry between them.

As for Kylo and Rey, I hope the play up the sexual tension more in episode IX, but I think having them end up together would not be a very satisfying result. The fact is that after The Last Jedi, the relationship between these two characters is probably the most interesting aspect of the story going forward.

I understand what you mean, but seeing Ben and Rey end up together could end up being very satisfying with how it’s played out on screen. That feeling was already emitted from The Last Jedi when the two began to fight Snoke’s guards.

paja said:

nl0428 said:

I still can’t trust EA after how dirty they treated fans and gamers

And killing online only games with no end of life plan.

True, but I when I said “fans”, I meant Star Wars fans.

This game seems like something that would be right up my ally. Even though EA showed off a story trailer, and not a gameplay trailer, I’m still going to wait for the reviews to come out and see what everyone thinks first before I make the decision to pick it up. I still can’t trust EA after how dirty they treated fans and gamers with the first two installments of the Battlefront reboots, despite that Fallen Order is a single-player game with no micro-transactions. Hopefully the gameplay is great, whereas I tried out their first Battlefront for about an hour, and I later got bored. I also hope the story is great, as it seems from the trailer. I watched the cutscene movie on YouTube for Battlefront II and thought it was quite poor and honestly, I waste of time.

dahmage said:

The last several posts were a delight to read.

I just hope we all keep our theorizing in check (or at least acknowledge that we are probably wrong, despite the fun of it), as fan theories are almost always wrong and I would hate for us to ruin our enjoyment of the movie we will eventually get.

That said I’m looking forward to this!

Couldn’t have said it any better. Thanks, Dahmage!

SilverWook said:

You’d think they would have a database of all SW titles just so this doesn’t happen?

At the very least, I would think someone at Lucasfilm would at least check to make sure there isn’t some obscure thing out there already called The Phantom Menace, or Attack Of The Clones, the owners of which who could sue them later?

Ehh…it doesn’t really matter all that much. A title is just a title. The best thing to do is to create the title that you think best suits the entirety and meaning of your feature film.