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#1528524
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Star Wars Lightsider by Tom Veitch (LEAKED)
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Superweapon VII said:

Marooned Biker Scout said:

I really like the cover art for Lightsider, old style EU, as it should be!

It’s not bad, but it’s a collage. That Luke comes from the cover of a Dark Empire trade paperback, and that Kam comes from the New Essential Guide to Characters.

Oh, I didn’t know that. I’d guess whoever doing the project didn’t have the $$$ to pay for any new art?

I think it may be a cover that fans put together years ago for it? It also appears here, at Matt Wilkins EU website, from 2022:

https://www.theexpandeduniverse.com/post/star-wars-lightsider
 

Matt Wilkins’ 5 minute YouTube video review on Lightsider from 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqABvxO5bCc

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#1528316
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Star Wars Lightsider by Tom Veitch (LEAKED)
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yoshif8tures said:

It’s done and in the wild

That was reply was so quick I didn’t even see it until today! 😃
 

I found a 71 page “Lightsider - edited 01/11/22” google doc of it:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e4zqewxiNd0J6x6jMh2GGJStDfK506CFZ-8X5ZJfpeY/edit

^ Is that the same as dgraham414’s cleaned up version?
 

Edit: I’ve also found a 65 page google doc version, with a chapter/menu system running down the left side of it:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NZ8YLOzC5anaCq2X5U5RlvcBRBV4EQT2O-o3UvrBIJ0/edit
 

and a docdroid pdf version, dated 8.25.97, with cover art, with some badly copied scans of what looks to be the original?:

https://www.docdroid.net/81125jE/lightsiderpdf-pdf
 
 

There is also this 5 minute YouTube video by Quinlan Vos, for 2 custom-made hard copy versions of the Lightsider novella:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjL1yj2dCBI

 

I really like the cover art for Lightsider, old style EU, as it should be!

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#1528099
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<strong>The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread
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jedi_bendu said:

The Bad Batch has no right to just casually throw in episodes as good as The Outpost. If every episode had that level of storytelling quality it would have been a serious contender for best Star Wars show.

That episode was a joy to watch. The story was gripping with welcome shades of The Thing too! I hope they continue where they left off in next week’s episode.

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#1527687
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Celebration 2023 in London. April 7-10.
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With a month before the con starts they have finally announced the Panel Schedule for 2023 Celebration, April 7-10:

https://www.starwars.com/news/swce-2023-panel-schedule
https://www.starwarscelebration.com/en-us/panels.html
 

Not a lot stands out in the Panle Schedule to me, other than:

“The Making of Andor Season One”, on Friday 3-4pm
“40 Years of Return of the Jedi”, on Saturday 2-3pm
“Behind the Magic: The Visual Effects of Andor”, on Sunday 12-1pm
“Star Wars: Visions Volume 2”, on Monday 1-2pm

There is also a screening of Return Of The Jedi. It will probably be the Maclunkey version, but will be good for fans to have the chance to see it on the big screen. The Cosplay presentations are usually good for some inventive, fun & ingenious outfits.

An “Ahsoka” panel and a “15 years of The Clone Wars” panel too, but nothing listed for the 20th anniversary of Clone Wars microseries that I can see. I thought there would be more “Return Of The Jedi at 40” panels too.
 

Guests: https://www.starwarscelebration.com/en-us/guests.html & https://twitter.com/SW_Celebration for more being added
 

Anything there interesting or worth a look at? I hope anyone who is going enjoys it and has a great time there. The Forbidden Planet store in London is meant be worth a visit as well. I really wish the official Star Wars YouTube channel live streams or shows more panels than they have done in previous years, even if they delay showing them for a week or two.

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#1526958
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<strong>The 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special</strong> - a general discussion thread
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The trailer for the “A Disturbance in the Force - Trailer: Star Wars Holiday Special Documentary”:
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtkpVWeWN-Q (90+ seconds, at IGN Movie Trailers)
 

official synopsis:

“In 1977, “Star Wars” became a cultural phenomenon that single-handedly revitalized a stagnant film industry, and forever changed how films were sold, made, and marketed. Movies would never be the same again. A year later, neither would television. In 1978, CBS aired the two-hour “Star Wars Holiday Special” during the week of Thanksgiving and was watched by 13 million people. It never re-aired. While some fans of the franchise are aware of this dark secret, this bizarre two hours of television still remains relatively unknown among the general public. Simply put, we will answer how and why did the “Holiday Special” get made.”
 

https://www.slashfilm.com/1216168/a-disturbance-in-the-force-trailer-new-doc-looks-back-at-the-maligned-star-wars-holiday-special

‘A Disturbance in the Force" does not yet have a release date, but look for some initial reactions and possibly some news on that front following its premiere at SXSW next week.’ (it premieres at SXSW on the March 11)
 

I am actually looking forward to watching this when it gets released! I have no idea why, maybe nostalgia goggles and that it may be fun?
 

There is even a poster for this on the documentary website at https://www.holidayspecialdoc.com

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#1526836
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<strong>The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread
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I thought episode 11 was another of the better installments of this season so far. The animation was beautiful, as it has been all season. But the story, direction, and the “horror film” feel excelled, and really worked well for me.

And it was good to further the story of the Kaminoans, and both the Empire and Emperor’s interest in cloning.

After episode 11 I am very much looking forward to next week’s installment. Only 5 more to go this season.

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#1526725
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Am i the only one that has a fundamental issue with Clones' Inhibitor Chips?
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AhsokatheChosenOne said:

Yeah, I agree. I liked it better when I thought they were just that bent on following orders. The chips seem like lazy writing. What’s funny, though, is that in the Bad Batch, they seem like they’re trying to backtrack on it. What with some clones acting like people instead of microchipped zombies inexplicably? I liked the Clone Wars Finale, but I wonder if it would have been more satisfying to see the Clones struggle with the moral dilemma of following orders or doing what they thought was right. Especially Rex since he was seen as a very dogmatic character who took his service to the republic seriously.

I would have preferred to have seen that too, more a focus on them trained to follow orders, instead of being chipped.

I’ve been watching the Prequels for years and only recently noticed that Obi-Wan sees the doner of the Clone DNA (Jango) at Kamino and then sees Jango standing right next to Dooku, the guy who started the Clone Wars in the first place. It’s confusing to think about how they didn’t connect the dots there. This ruins the episodes where Anakin and Obi-Wan investigate the death of Syfo Dias and then find out that way that Dooku ordered the clones when they should have realized he had something to do with it when they saw him and Jango together, especially since they didn’t know where the Clones came from. The more I think about it, the more glaring this plot hole seems.

This old meme sprung to my mind reading the first part of your post:

 
And also this similar point too, but this one likely fits a different discussion. Sorry to Kyp_Astaar for the shitpost:

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#1525974
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Ranking the Star Wars TV series
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A bit like LuckyGungan2001’s Ranking the Star Wars films thread, but this one is just for ranking the Star Wars TV series.
 

Mine are:

  1. Andor
  2. The Mandalorian
  3. Visions
  4. Rebels
  5. Clone Wars (2003 Genndy Tartakovsky micro-series)
  6. The Bad Batch
  7. Tales Of The Jedi
  8. The Clone Wars (2008)
  9. Obi Wan Kenobi
  10. Droids (1985)
  11. The Book Of Boba Fett
  12. Ewoks (1985)
  13. Resistance (2018)

 

It could be interesting to see how these rankings change with more Star Wars series being released soon. And also if some of the current series start to improve further, or maybe even start to underwhelm. Or that our rankings just change over time?

You don’t have to include any of the series you haven’t seen. Or include the various Lego series, Forces Of Destiny, or Galaxy Of Adventures in the rankings, unless you are truly hardcore!

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#1525962
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Was Lucas inspired by the Mandalorians to create the Clones in the Prequels Movies?
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According to the Wookieepedia page for List of Legends elements in the films:

“…we’re inspired by the comics and the books…” ― George Lucas

so it sure is a possibility.

 

Is the old Marvel comic you refer to the Star Wars 68: The Search Begins?

I’ll have to try and get my hands on some of those old comics again, and give them another read. If that is the comic, then I remember it being pretty cool. So it would be a shame if that was the inspiration for what would become some of the lame execution for the Clones and whole Clone Wars backstory in the Prequels.

 

MinchD36 said:

i also think he was inspired by Tales of the Jedi and Dark Empire Comics for the Prequels supposedly George helped in the creation of Tales of the Jedi

There is a really good article somewhere listing many of Tom Veitch’s contributions and ideas from his EU work that later made their way into the films and series. I’ll see if I can find it, maybe at CBR or comicbook, at some place like that.
 

I think the New Jedi Order also has some stuff in that Lucas was going to use, or was inspired by, for his unused Sequel Trilogy ideas too. I know next to jack about the EU compared to others, but these folks seems to believe so on the NJO stuff:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/George-Lucas-Star-Wars-Creator-Unreliable-Narrator-Time-Travelling-Revisionist/id/66986/page/7#1477861

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsEU/comments/hr1tnz/behind_the_scenes_the_making_of_the_new_jedi

Though more knowledgeable heads on here will know far more than me.

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#1525161
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Heir to the Empire Trilogy. A General Discussion
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JadedSkywalker said:

Hated Mara saying she didn’t believe the emperor reborn was Palpatine, that was Zahn taking a shot of Veitch.

I don’t know much about the early EU and how it came about past Veitch’s Dark Empire being originally wrote and set before Zahn’s Thrawn trilogy, but it got turned around somewhere along the lines by Lucasfilm or the publishers? Was there some disagreements or bad blood between the two writers?

Or was it more of friendly jibes and banter type of thing?

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#1524785
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Return Of The Jedi's 40th anniversary
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JF_Sanderson said:

Never need a reason to celebrate Rotj! Happy 40 very soon.

Strange they are using the 1995 logo. I had no problem with the new branding on the THX set besides the “faces” were all masks/puppets/IP instead of the actors. Still strange it’s not the classic logo that’s copied by much other Star Wars media.

Yeah! The classic logo, or the logos used from 1983, are much cooler:

&bsp;
I have seen this “ROTJ at 40” logo online in a few places. Maybe an early version or fan made? I think it does look cool:

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#1524486
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Return Of The Jedi's 40th anniversary
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WookieeWarrior77 said:

This anniversary seems to not have as much going on as the other two, but maybe there’ll be more come May.

It feels that way. Maybe we’ll see more on it after Celebration finishes?

Star Wars Celebration in London is doing a “Return Of The Jedi at 40” panel. So far:

and Ian McDiarmid has been announced as well.

I also hope we’ll see some of the crew and ILM people who worked on the ROTJ, and that they live stream the panel or at least show it on the official YouTube channel soon after.

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#1524012
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Should Disney Release a Special Edition Prequel Trilogy?
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G&G-Fan said:

Emre1601 said:

So that’s a ‘no’ on the source for your claim that:

I feel like JJ saying he was told it wasn’t possible is kinda a slam dunk. Combined with Kennedy saying she hasn’t touched those and that, “Those will always be his”.

Kennedy’s reply of “Oh! I haven’t touched those. (laughs) You kidding? Those will always remain his.” was to a question about the Special Editions of the Original Trilogy. Not the Prequels. I thought it was just worth mentioning that.

Like most on here I don’t think we’ll ever see a Special Edition of the Prequels, probably out of some reverence to George more than something contractual, but I would certainly like to see a PT:SE.

Thinking more about this, fuck it. The many awesome Fan Edits of the Prequels probably do a better job than an official PT:SE release would.

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#1523870
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Original Trilogy <strong>news &amp; articles</strong> thread: online write-ups on the OT films, cast and crew
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Omni said:

Emre1601 said:

Star Wars Creator George Lucas Had A Simple Reason For Not Directing The Empire Strikes Back

https://www.slashfilm.com/1194844/star-wars-creator-george-lucas-had-a-simple-reason-for-not-directing-the-empire-strikes-back
 

‘One of the more common misconceptions about “Star Wars” is the idea that creator George Lucas directed and wrote the entire original trilogy. That idea leads people to wonder how the guy who created something as good as “The Empire Strikes Back” could later go on to make something so terrible with the prequels. How could Lucas’ films have fallen so far in quality so quickly?

The answer, of course, is that it was Irvin Kershner who directed “Empire,” and the screenplay was written by Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan. (“Return of the Jedi,” meanwhile, was directed by Richard Marquand.) Lucas oversaw the production and provided the stories for 5 and 6, but as a whole, the “Star Wars” original trilogy seemed to work as well as it did because of Lucas’ limited involvement. Even with the first film, which Lucas did write and direct, he was dealing with a lot of limitations that prevented him from getting too self-indulgent. Actors pushed back against his clumsy dialogue, and the editors made major cuts and changes to help with the film’s pacing.

Time has shown us that the less directly involved Lucas is with a “Star Wars” film, the better, but his decision to let Kershner direct “Empire” had a much simpler reason behind it. “I hate directing,” he told Rolling Stone in a 1980 interview. “It’s like fighting a fifteen-round heavyweight bout with a new opponent every day. You go to work knowing just how you want a scene to be, but by the end of the day, you’re usually depressed because you didn’t do a good enough job … It was easy to let go of directing.”

Probably should’ve kept letting go

'Not to pile on George Lucas even more than he’s already been, but considering how successful the approach for “Empire” turned out, one can’t help but wonder what the prequels would’ve looked like has Lucas stayed on as the story advisor and let someone else take over the script and direction. Instead, Lucas had complete control over both throughout all three prequel films, and unlike with “A New Hope,” there were far fewer constraints holding him back from his worst creative instincts.

It’s hard to hold this all against him too much though, because “Star Wars” as a decades-spanning franchise wouldn’t exist without him. Even beyond the surprise success of “A New Hope,” so much of what allowed “Empire” to surpass its predecessor was the creative freedom Lucas gave Kershner and the rest of the crew. Rather than cater to studio demands, Lucas made the bold choice to fund the movie himself, a decision that could’ve easily ruined him if things turned out differently.

“They were supposed to shoot [the Hoth scenes in Finse] in two weeks and they shot it in months,” Lucas later explained in a 2020 interview. “So it created a lot of havoc. We were projected to go way over budget and I’d already borrowed all the money that I could.” As the production continued to go over budget and behind schedule, Lucas borrowed even more money from a different bank to keep things running smoothly. It was insanely stressful, but no one today can say it wasn’t worth it. Lucas may not have directed the franchise’s best film, but he was a vital part of what allowed it to be so great in the first place.’

Awful article, and full of misinformation.

You quoted the whole post just post to write that, but not say what you found awful or to be misinformation? Huh. I had the feeling I was on reddit for a moment 😃. Different strokes for different folks and all.

I thought it a little quirky in a couple of places, that it skimmed over some stuff that could have been explained further in more detail, and probably plays down Lucas’ involvement on ROTJ. But for a short article I enjoyed reading it. Though I’ll likely read almost anything I can get on the OT these days that doesn’t parrot George’s retconned bullshit. Thanks Emre1601.

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#1523865
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<strong>Star Wars (1977)</strong> - a general <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> thread
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Emre1601 said:

Marooned Biker Scout said:

Obi-Wan should have left a whoopee cushion in his cloak for Vader to step on, just to troll him one last time.

With some sand in it!

 
 

‘I don’t remember this scene from Star Wars. Uncredited illustration from the Screen Superstar Star Wars special (1977)’: https://twitter.com/retroscifiart/status/1622003462627282945

Nor do I! Poor guy. Or clone. Or robot or monster or whatever he was meant to be at the time.

Is his head meant to still be in the helmet? That Chewy’s bowcaster vaporized the being inside, but not the suit itself?

It kind of looks like the stormtrooper is made of dark magic, like the Argonaut skeletons were in the old Harryhausen era films. I love that image.

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#1523864
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Original Trilogy <strong>news &amp; articles</strong> thread: online write-ups on the OT films, cast and crew
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Darth Vader, the problematic fanzine fave of 1977 at Polygon

Fandom latched onto Vader back when he was just ‘Darth’
 

'When Star Wars hit theaters in 1977, fans had no idea it would be a trilogy, let alone remain a household name 45 years later. But they knew they had seen something special, and they wanted more. So they created their own extended universe. Fan zines with art, fiction, and discussion of the movie thrived long before any official sequels or spinoffs. Most focused on the heroes — Luke, Han, Leia, and Obi-Wan were all popular. But others were drawn in by the film’s enigmatic villain, Darth Vader.

Nowadays, the Sith Lord is a pop culture icon. But 1977 was three years before “I am your father.” A New Hope (though it wouldn’t be called that until its theatrical rerelease in 1981) gave almost no details about the man in the mask. In fact, Vader only gets a little under 10 minutes of screen time. He strides around the Death Star with ominous music playing and kills rebels, Empire bureaucrats, and Obi-Wan with equal dispassion.

But there was a hint at something deeper. Fans seized on the fact that, according to Obi-Wan, Vader had killed Luke’s father. With the lie now becoming infamous, it’s hard to remember that it was once all fans had to go on when thinking about the history of the Jedi and the Sith.’