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#55077
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I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT - WHY SO MANY SW FANS DISLIKED THE PT...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55077/action/topic#55077
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Do you think you would hate the Special Editions as much if the Greedo scene just wasn't in it at all? Everything Jabba says in the new scene was pretty much what went on with the whole Greedo thing. Let's say that they just left out the Han/Greedo scene, just left that out altogether in the Special Editions, do you think you would still hate the SE as much as you do?

I personally think I would hate it a little less but still not like it as much as the original.

Anyway it's just a thought.
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#54475
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Interview?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54475/action/topic#54475
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That is some funny stuff and as an independent filmmaker I have actually thought about making a movie about the Star Wars movies before. More accurately about the fan reaction and dedication to the original trilogy. The problem is I have no money for such a project. I just picture a group of like 20 or so people camped out in front of the ranch with signs that read "Let the originals go free" or "Special Editions are murder" something like that. I though about interviewing all sorts of film historians and possible Steven Spielberg and if possible the big man himself.

It could be an interesting project if the funding was there. Kinda like the Trekkies movie that was out not to long ago. Actually I never saw that but something like what I think that movie is.

A good title would be...
"Desperately Seeking Lucas"


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#53417
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Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/53417/action/topic#53417
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I remember that thread. I was basically just lurking around here then and not posting too much though.

But yeah I believe that a few prints escaped sans a scene or two. The problem with that is the only proof I found was on IMDB.com and you all know that is about as reliable as a car with no engine. My only hope was to convince you that there was a distinct possibility that a few prints MAY have been missing a scene.

Someday we may know the truth.

EDIT SPELLING
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#53292
Topic
Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/53292/action/topic#53292
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In 1980, 200 or so prints of Empire went out that were different. That is a hell of a lot of prints. I believe the reason that that is so well documented is because by the time 1980 rolled around people weren’t fans who liked the first film but fanatics who were crazy about Star Wars.

Now I’m going to assume the missing footage was from the 70mm prints. I’m assuming this based on the fact that it’s easier to make last minute changes to a 35mm print as opposed to the larger format 70mm print which takes more time to prepare.

In its original run from May 25 to June 20, 1098 prints went into circulation. Now if only the original 8 70mm prints are missing footage not many people saw that compared to the 200 or so Empire movies. This could also explain the lack of coverage on this matter. Simple not many people saw the different version.

In an interesting side note…
When Last of the Mohicans came out in theatres it was in a much bloodier version then what was originally on video or later on DVD. The end fight scene on the cliff was gorier and during the ambush scene after surrendering the fort, a general’s heart is ripped out and is then eaten. Now I haven’t ever been able to find any documentation online or otherwise about changes made to this movie when it made it’s transaction from theatres to video but I know the theater version was different. I saw that movie in the theatre three times personally and it had all the gore and extra bits of violence in it. Although I’ve never seen any documentation on this I’ve talked to people who also saw the version I saw. So just because there is no documentation doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. After all something doesn’t become a rumor or “myth” without people talking about it.

I’m guessing that only a handful of people who saw Star Wars in the theatre saw the prints that were missing footage.

Lack of people=lack of coverage
Lack of coverage=rumor or myth
But that doesn't mean it didn't happen


It’s kind of funny that we just sort of took this whole thread over with our own discussion

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#53227
Topic
Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/53227/action/topic#53227
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I don't even know anything about the "Biggs" scenes.

But....

Is the idea of only a handful of prints missing a few scenes that hard to swallow? The first like 200 70 mm prints of 'Empire' were different from all the other 35mm prints put out. Why not the first few Star Wars prints as well (Be it the 35mm or 70mm prints). With only 32 being put out its entirely possible that for whatever reason it was left out. I'm not saying it was meant that way or anything. I don't care why they weren't there. All I’m saying is that it's in the realm of possibility that for whatever reason on a few of the first prints a scene or two was omitted. It’s easier to believe a handful of prints went out bad as opposed to say a hundred. Especially considering the extremely small size of the opening day.

As far as where I heard this I’m doing my best to find that proof for you. When I was a kid my uncle worked at a press shop and they printed posters and shit for movies all the time. They did E.T. stuff, Blade Runner, Indian Jones, and some Empire and Jedi stuff as well. Now when ever some of that stuff was messed up on these he would take them home and we would get some to look at and hang up. (Damn I wish I kept more of that stuff). Anyway long story short, about the time of Jedi their print shop was printing the Lucasfilms newsletter or Star Wars Fan Club stuff. I can't remember which but in one of those they had a "Did You Know?" Star Wars section. And in that it said that on the opening day of Star Wars a few prints went out missing the Chewie Roar. Now for the past few days I’ve been going through boxes trying to find that newsletter thing and I can't for the life of me. I have it somewhere; I just need to find it. If it weren't for reading that I would agree with you but that came from Lucas's company so I figure I’m right. I just need the proof. I wish I could find it to scan it for you and everyone else it would be a great thing to read over. I'll keep you posted.

Perhaps someone with an account on starwars.com can post a question in the “Ask the Jedi Council” for us? You really can’t get a better answer than asking the man himself.
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#53193
Topic
Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/53193/action/topic#53193
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At any point after the initial 32 prints were sent out they could have made changes. Fox struck only 32 prints of Star Wars for May 25, 1977. It's alleged that of these 32 prints some were missing the footage. Look at The Empire Strikes Back. When it rolled out the 70mm prints were slightly different from the 35mm prints. Although good old George send them out as "Finished" and the 70mm prints were made he decided to go back and make some minor changes to the movies before the 35mm prints were struck. Who's to say that the 8 70mm prints of Star Wars were the exact same as the 24 35mm prints. Mr. Lucas could have very well made last minute changes or perhaps it was a lab mistake. Out of the about 1,000 or so prints of Star Wars that were out there in it's initial run (May 25, 1977 to June 20, 1978) the first 8 70mm prints may have very well been different from all the others. And those initial 24 35mm prints may have been different from all the later 35mm prints that were made on and after May 25th.
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#53143
Topic
Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/53143/action/topic#53143
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On May 25th of 1977 Star Wars opened on only 32 screens. Of course of the 32 prints made for opening day 8 of those prints were in 70mm. Now you have two versions. There were 24 35mm and only 8 70mm versions. So the alleged missing footage could just be missing out of 8 prints or the 24 35mm prints. Now take into account the various sound options on the two prints. You have Dolby, Mono, and 70mm Dolby. Dolby opened on 12 screens, Mono opened on 12 screens, and the 70mm Dolby opened on the other 8 screens. So now we have three separate versions of the opening day Star Wars of which the footage could be missing. Two separate versions of the 35mm and the 70mm. The footage could be missing out of the 12 Mono prints, the 8 70mm prints, or the 12 Dolby prints. It's no wonder some say it was missing and some say it wasn't. Hell it could just be missing on only 8 prints EVER. That would be reason enough for something to pass into myth.

I guess we'll have to invent a time machine and go back and see an opening day print to be sure because you’re right, I can’t prove it; at least not without a doubt anyway. But that is my case for the possibility of the fact that the two scenes very well could have been missing from the opening day version of the movie. I can’t prove it right but you can’t say that there is no way that of all the versions of Star Wars that has been put into theatres that it’s impossible for two scenes to be missing out of 32 (Or even less) prints.

Here is a great link to info about Star Wars opening day. It doesn't have info on the (Possible) missing footage but it's a great read none the less.

http://www.in70mm.com/news/2003/star_wars/star_wars_1977.htm
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#53130
Topic
Star Wars - The Edits and DVDr releases thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/53130/action/topic#53130
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Actually the missing eye scene and the Chewie roar are both missing from the first preview prints made. They were changed after that. Because they were preview prints I’m not sure if they would count as missing from the theatrical prints or not. I guess you could be the judge of that. I'll try to find some proof for you but I’m not going to kill myself looking for it....
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#52936
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/52936/action/topic#52936
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Finally finished watching the torrent files of Star Wars. I watched those and the TR47 set back to back. I also did some side by side comparisons to really check stuff out. So here it goes.....

In picture quality the TR47 set comes out just a bit on top. Colors look a little better and the entire picture is a bit crisper when compared to the anamorphic set. Both sets seemed a bit soft to me. I wanted to check these against the laserdisc set I used to have but I can’t find those anywhere. I may have sold them. At any rate the laserdiscs may have been just as soft in focus. The Anamorphic set came out a bit weird on the anamorphic too. It seemed to me to be off as far as framing goes. It looked closer to somewhere around 2:00.1 as compared to 2:35.1. This could just be the set I downloaded and not the sets that are floating around here. I'm not sure of that but that is what I got out of it when played on my TV.

Final judgment on video...I would go with either set. As the video goes they both look good. Personally I like the TR47 set better but if you’re that concerned about hitting zoom on your remote just get the anamorphic. The improper framing on my set really wasn't even that big of a deal it was just something I noticed and wanted to point out to people. Again it could just be my set. Oh and yes the “Leia welding scene” IS missing from the anamorphic set.

As far as sound the TR47 set blows away the anamorphic set. It's a no contest here. The TR47 had a better sound stage presence with clean sweeps and pan from channel to channel. The anamorphic set was a bit hollow in its sound and seemed a bit forced to the rear speakers. It was weak when it even did appear in the rear channels, which wasn’t often enough for my liking. With a Prologic II receiver the TR47 set sound really close to a 5.1 mix (or as close as you will get in a bootleg) where as the anamorphic set sounds like a plain old vanilla surround mix that occasionally graces us with some sound out of the rear channels. Not much better than I get out of my VHS set to be honest with you.

As far bonus stuff goes...I should say up front that I hate bonus stuff. I really don't care much for it and never have. Now occasionally something will grab my interest but most of the time it's the same old crap over and over again. I would much rather see a movie only version of everything that just maxes out the sound and video presentation and doesn’t squeeze it onto a disc with bonus stuff. Again this is just my opinion. So with that it would be very unfair for me to judge this stuff. It's really the same on both sets with the exception of the commentary on the anamorphic set. You can all guess what I think of that just from what I wrote above so it's really up to you to decide on weather or not you need a commentary track from what I hear isn’t even a full on commentary track. (No I didn’t even listen to it)

WITH EVERYTHING SAID AND DONE...
The TR47 set was superior in both Video and Audio quality. However the video is only a slight step up from the anamorphic set. The anamorphic set does have the bonus feature of the commentary track but it severely sacrifices sound quality for this little thing. The bonus fourth disc is the same on both but in all honesty I didn't even bother trying to find the fourth disc for the anamorphic set so I’m not really sure if it is the same. Perhaps someone else knows about that.

So what it really comes down to is how well your TV can handle zoom. If you can handle that well or have a DLP/LCD front projector you should probably go with the TR47 set. If bonus stuff really concerns you go with the other set. Both sets are really nice representations of the original Star Wars movies with a few differences in between. The question is how big of a fan boy are you? Do you want one or both? All I know is that I'm really sick of Star Wars now. I have watched way too much of it in the past three days.

Equipment Used:
57” 16:9 HD Toshiba Projection TV (57HX81)
Pioneer VSX-D810S (Receiver)
Pioneer DV-F727 (DVD Player)
M&K V-1250 THX Subwoofer
Infinity 12” Subwoofer (BU-120)
M&K 550 THX Surround (X2)
M&K LCR-750 THX Front (X2)
M&K 750-THX Center (X2 - one in front and one in rear)
Monster Clean Power Center HTS2500 MKII
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#52937
Topic
OT bootleg DVD reviews
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/52937/action/topic#52937
Time
I Posted this first over in the General Star Wars Discussion Forum

originally posted on
Wed June 16, 2004 9:55 PM



Finally finished watching the torrent files of Star Wars. I watched those and the TR47 set back to back. I also did some side by side comparisons to really check stuff out. So here it goes.....

In picture quality the TR47 set comes out just a bit on top. Colors look a little better and the entire picture is a bit crisper when compared to the anamorphic set. Both sets seemed a bit soft to me. I wanted to check these against the laserdisc set I used to have but I can’t find those anywhere. I may have sold them. At any rate the laserdiscs may have been just as soft in focus. The Anamorphic set came out a bit weird on the anamorphic too. It seemed to me to be off as far as framing goes. It looked closer to somewhere around 2:00.1 as compared to 2:35.1. This could just be the set I downloaded and not the sets that are floating around here. I'm not sure of that but that is what I got out of it when played on my TV.

Final judgment on video...I would go with either set. As the video goes they both look good. Personally I like the TR47 set better but if you’re that concerned about hitting zoom on your remote just get the anamorphic. The improper framing on my set really wasn't even that big of a deal it was just something I noticed and wanted to point out to people. Again it could just be my set. Oh and yes the “Leia welding scene” IS missing from the anamorphic set.

As far as sound the TR47 set blows away the anamorphic set. It's a no contest here. The TR47 had a better sound stage presence with clean sweeps and pan from channel to channel. The anamorphic set was a bit hollow in its sound and seemed a bit forced to the rear speakers. It was weak when it even did appear in the rear channels, which wasn’t often enough for my liking. With a Prologic II receiver the TR47 set sound really close to a 5.1 mix (or as close as you will get in a bootleg) where as the anamorphic set sounds like a plain old vanilla surround mix that occasionally graces us with some sound out of the rear channels. Not much better than I get out of my VHS set to be honest with you.

As far bonus stuff goes...I should say up front that I hate bonus stuff. I really don't care much for it and never have. Now occasionally something will grab my interest but most of the time it's the same old crap over and over again. I would much rather see a movie only version of everything that just maxes out the sound and video presentation and doesn’t squeeze it onto a disc with bonus stuff. Again this is just my opinion. So with that it would be very unfair for me to judge this stuff. It's really the same on both sets with the exception of the commentary on the anamorphic set. You can all guess what I think of that just from what I wrote above so it's really up to you to decide on weather or not you need a commentary track from what I hear isn’t even a full on commentary track. (No I didn’t even listen to it)

WITH EVERYTHING SAID AND DONE...
The TR47 set was superior in both Video and Audio quality. However the video is only a slight step up from the anamorphic set. The anamorphic set does have the bonus feature of the commentary track but it severely sacrifices sound quality for this little thing. The bonus fourth disc is the same on both but in all honesty I didn't even bother trying to find the fourth disc for the anamorphic set so I’m not really sure if it is the same. Perhaps someone else knows about that.

So what it really comes down to is how well your TV can handle zoom. If you can handle that well or have a DLP/LCD front projector you should probably go with the TR47 set. If bonus stuff really concerns you go with the other set. Both sets are really nice representations of the original Star Wars movies with a few differences in between. The question is how big of a fan boy are you? Do you want one or both? All I know is that I'm really sick of Star Wars now. I have watched way too much of it in the past three days.

Equipment Used:
57” 16:9 HD Toshiba Projection TV (57HX81)
Pioneer VSX-D810S (Receiver)
Pioneer DV-F727 (DVD Player)
M&K V-1250 THX Subwoofer
Infinity 12” Subwoofer (BU-120)
M&K 550 THX Surround (X2)
M&K LCR-750 THX Front (X2)
M&K 750-THX Center (X2 - one in front and one in rear)
Monster Clean Power Center HTS2500 MKII