Those obstructions Google Maps is seeing are likely the long crowded lines of people already there :)
NeverarGreat said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
Beautiful.
Wow, that was incredibly awesome to watch. Still unsure if that was the best choice of music for a Star Wars related clip, though.
adywan said:
ray_afraid said:
That's cool.
Any word on fixing the AT-AT/speeder distance problem or not?I tweaked that shot ages ago by making the existing AT-AT larger.
That's great news. It must've been tweaked sometime after the Dec 20th clip?
brimforge said:
Hm, having the deaths of Yoda, Vader and the Emperor, is a closing of the old order (republic/Jedi/Sith), Luke being the new generation and beginning with his sister ...
Yep, it's the beginning of another new dawn after all :)
Fett should either be not in the movie at all or have a similar role he had in ESB - as one suggested, he could give the plans/information to the rebel spies ;-)
Nope, neither of these choices. Fett should stay in as originally, but his character shall be improved and dignified. Another time, maybe soon, I'll have time to explain in detail (outline) how it can be reasonably and realistically accomplished. What I have in mind, it would for sure require finding somebody with a Fett costume (shouldn't be too hard considering his popularity) and a Chewie (a little trickier to find) ;)
the Jabba rollercoaster is a thing to reconsider - from start to end - yeah, some don't want to change "important" events, but some pointed out, we need "things that matter" ...
Yep, this segment needs quite a bit of reworking and trimming overall... as does the rest of the film. Again, when I have time, I'll post in detail of what suggestions I have in mind for the entire film.
pittrek said:
Hans solo is back? Great. I hope he will shoot Gringo first again.
It's Hans Olo, get it right :D
Yeah, OT material is harder to come by, but for an exhibit as this, I agree, you'd think they could manage to go to the safe warehouses and balance the focus a little more. I still enjoyed what was there though.
Did you learn something new? I don't think I ever knew of that Yoda puppet used for rehearsals - it makes you appreciate the filmed Yoda a whole lot more than already :D
Oh I went to this exhibit also.
It was actually quite entertaining to see. Took all sorts of pics too. I thought most of the costumes looked great and were very nicely displayed, but I did have two gripes about the visit. First, I would've wished to see a lot more kinds of OT costumes upstairs. Second, did anyone else notice how lazy the display was for the OT Stormtrooper? I'm sure the details were literally colored on by a marker, and velco could be spotted in several areas (didn't even have to look closely to spot either of these).
Overall, though, it was worth a look and something nerdy to do as an extended Valentine's Day gift this year :)
DuracellEnergizer said:
ATMachine said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
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"No longer wanted."
Hey! I might have wanted that deleted text!
It's my personal property. Just like Stephen King and his disinherited novel Rage, I have the right to withhold it from the public if I so wish.
George Lucas? Is that you? ;)
godzilla98rules said:
I love Silent films and combining it with Star Wars is just pure genius!
From a different perspective, I think it's a whole lot of fun too :)
muddyknees2000 said:
.Mac. said:
There are obviously many different ways to make changes for any scene, and I'm sure most ideas can be justifiable, but my main argument here is we shouldn't so quickly jump to making a certain change if it significantly alters the lore, even if it is a great change. At least for me, I'd rather there be a fix that still respects the over all story and lore, instead of a possibly better fix that alters what we know of the lore drastically. To me that's where I believe we should try to draw the line when it comes to deciding changes within the Revisited Project of the Original Trilogy. Of course Ady has final say on all of this.
My issue with this argument is that the lore or story of ROTJ is just not very compelling to begin with. It was significantly watered down from what it should have been, and is very weak. Staying true to it leaves one with a flawed end product, which was what was started with. The aim here is to improve this particular film, not only visually, but story-wise as well.
I absolutely agree with you that much about ROTJ was not as great as it should have been, and that the aim here is to improve it any way possible. However, like I was saying before, there is only so much we can do with the ROTJ story. All kinds of new scenes can be shot, but, unless Ady plans to shoot an entirely brand new film and replace the OT characters altogether, he will not be able to remold the film to the way you or I wish it could've been - not without it looking like a fan edit, which is NOT the aim of Revisited (it is a fan edit but it's not intended to look like one). Because of these limitations with the footage involving the OT characters, of what they do and say onscreen, I'm suggesting keeping to the film's lore and start the groundwork from there, that Ady CAN actually do and STILL make a much better film than it is now, successfully. I'm just trying to be realistic here with what can or can't be expected to be done :)
Muddyknees, if you have a detailed outline on your personal thoughts for realistically fixing the story of ROTJ, please share it here or PM me. It's okay that we don't see eye-to-eye on every detail, but what you have in mind, in essence, could be exactly what I'd hope to see done as well. As an example, I've read some of your comments from way back and I too would love to see some of what the Rebel commandos are up to while the heroes are with the Ewoks - something like that certainly doesn't defy the lore, it gives it more depth.
Brash_stryker, or anyone else, same to you if you have an outline ;)
brimforge said:
So should we leave ALL the bad parts be? or would it be better to twist and replace (if possible or feasable) until we have a coherent/harmonious trilogy (or saga, if the PT can be adjusted).
A fair question indeed :) Ideally we shouldn't leave any of the bad parts in if they can't be fixed in some way, but usually just the simple tricks of editing can make them good/acceptable, such as some basic dialogue or scene trimming. If, however, it is something bad and no amount of editing can save it, it is justifiable to simply omit it (eg: the entire musical routine in Jabba's Lair - Jedi Rocks is terrible but Lapti Nek is by no means good either - it can be edited all kinds of ways, sure, but I'm certain that any concoction of this scene will be 100x better if left on the scraproom floor, as it serves ZERO purpose to the plot anyway).
There are obviously many different ways to make changes for any scene, and I'm sure most ideas can be justifiable, but my main argument here is we shouldn't so quickly jump to making a certain change if it significantly alters the lore, even if it is a great change. At least for me, I'd rather there be a fix that still respects the over all story and lore, instead of a possibly better fix that alters what we know of the lore drastically. To me that's where I believe we should try to draw the line when it comes to deciding changes within the Revisited Project of the Original Trilogy. Of course Ady has final say on all of this.
That all said, I do agree that there has to be leeway for some exceptions to be made because of how ridiculous certain points of the film can be; omitting it may not be an option either since it's integral to the plot, and what's done is done so we have to work with what's there. What I have in mind is the Han rescue plan ;) This needs to somehow make "better" sense and be more tolerable, which can partly be "improved" by tweaking the opening crawl and completely omitting Leia ever bringing in Chewie (some good moments lost, sure, but she should already be inside in disguise just as Lando is when the droids arrive, both learning the layout of the palace and soon making the plan to get every friend out, and Chewie has already been captured by some other way). When Han first sees Chewie, that's when we do also. As he can begin to sense the foil in the plan through the force, Luke sends the two droids, merely as a distraction, to buy himself extra time before he can personally arrive there (he was off elsewhere doing things integral towards his Jedi self-training). Not the best, but it is an improvement with what we got. I guess I got side-tracked and off point :)
The "heroes" are the central part of the movie, that is a given, but why shouldn't there be more characters we follow through the movie?
maybe replace some side/background characters and film new footage featuring them, so we have more material to cut into the bits and pieces we have with our classic band - easy part would be new footage with people who wear masks and heavy costumes (C3P0, Chewie, Vader ... Troopers?)
So many ideas out there, just needing to be condensed, and the result would be (hopefully) the movie we would have liked to see back then in the 80's ;-)
I wholeheartedly agree we need to establish new key faces for the film (pilots, commandos...) instead of focusing so heavily on the "A-Team". Very important to integrate some of them during the Rebel briefing, and from there it'll feel seamless, not like an edit. Giving these extras some important dialogue too is a must.
I'm beginning to think that sooner rather than later, even when there isnt an "official" Revisited thread for ROTJ, I should share this very large bullet list of fixes/suggestions I've conglomerated for ROTJ so you guys can see where I'm coming from when it comes to ideas. A lot of them aren't my own, of course, actually many of them are from this forum, but nonetheless they are ones that I would like to see addressed for ROTJ:R :)
Very sorry about the annoying increased text size, I dont know how to control it when copying and pasting while on a mobile phone.
brash_stryker said:
I'm not speaking for Ady at all here, but he has announced in the past that he'll be going to town on ROTJ. Not as drastic an edit as the PT, obviously, but it seems to be implied that he'll be filming new elements. So we're not limited by existing footage at all.
That's what I understand will happen too, as I mentioned above. What we know so far, he is planning on expanding the space battle with more (new) B-Wing and A-Wing action and more (new) footage of Rebel commandos fighting against the Imperials on Endor (and hopefully less of certain antics by the Ewoks), of which I am most certainly in favor of and those do not defy the lore. He'll be able to shoot all kinds of new footage, however, we are limited with how much footage there is involving the OT characters - that's what I meant - with limitations of what they can do and say too.
I agree, the 2nd Death Star needs to stay in ;)
I'm 100% onboard for improving the plot and all other elements where possible in ROTJ, but we also have to consider what's actually possible with the footage already available, AND, when does changing certain things become TOO much for this Revisted project? Not a bad idea having the Death Star be a "surprise subplot" instead of a familiar rehash, but if you really don't want to have a rehash, then you my as well remove having the 2nd Death Star altogether, but again, when do the changes start becoming TOO much? The line has to be drawn somewhere. I understand ROTJ will require more attention than the previous edits (imo it is the weakest link of the trilogy after all), but if it can be avoided (and in this case it can), I'd much prefer that there not be such radical changes that blatantly alters the lore of the OT (save those kinds of ideas for another ambitious project and the PT, please). And btw I really do want to see Coruscant at some point or another in this chapter, but not when it drastically changes the lore. Let's keep brainstorming :)
metalmunki said:
I prefer DS2 being around Endor's moon where it is. It makes more sense that it's being built somewhere 'hidden', and that it's a surprise that the Emperor is personally showing up ("The Emperor is coming here!?")
There is just no way the Rebel fleet would do a direct assault on the Coruscant system.
What I will say is, I'd like to see Endor itself more prominent in the forest moon's sky and perhaps in some of the space shots, and the DS2 being more obviously in the moon's orbit in some of the shots also.
I strongly agree with all of this.
The construction of the Death Star should remain hidden and isolated as it's being constructed. Sure would be great to see the planet Endor in certain instances too, which, has a vertical ring belt (I think?).
I would like to also see the Imperial base on the moon expanded with a large mining colony and construction plant there. They're extracting the moon's resources/metals and creating the pieces necessary for the new Death Star. These pieces are brought out by multiple cargo ships that go to the orbiting station and return for a reload. This can be very easily established while our heroes in the transport make a pass before landing on the outskirts (very similar to the arrival on Pandora in Avatar).
Bingowings said:
Having finally seen the blu-rays in all their 'glory' I'm more interested in seeing some Jedi collor pass previews than the PT.
Gosh those magenta faces on Endor.
And toning down the blues inside the Death Star.
I was happy enough we didn't have to wait 3 years between the main films, but now year n a half, well :)
Assuming they already have a general outline for VIII, it sure would help themselves a lot and be a great time-saver if they can manage to store away and port over any necessary props/set/models from TFA. Sure beats having to rebuild them from scratch again (such as the Millennium Falcon, if we see it again).
Erik Pancakes said:
So it seems the numbers are a bit exagerrated. By my count, this is the only new story stuff we're getting:
- One adult novel (Aftermath)
- One junior novel (Lost Stars)
- Three more junior novels, one each focusing on Luke, Han, and Leia
- Two graphic novels, one of which is C-3PO centric
Everything else appears to be insubstantial at best.
Now that makes sense to me.
I think I'd like to get my hands on Aftermath. Not that it's a required read before TFA, I'm very curious what has now supposedly happened post-ROTJ. Anything to help make December come quicker too :)
^Lol, just like having all the Elvis impersonators at Las Vegas.
timdiggerm said:
.Mac. said:
The second Death Star is destroyed. The Emperor and his powerful enforcer, Darth Vader, are rumored to be dead. The Galactic Empire is in chaos.
It's probably nothing, but is anyone else curious about the word choice there?
Well where are the bodies? Who can prove they didn't escape the explosion? Many would hope they did - and so the rumors spread. Some would even take advantage of the situation and become shadowy impostors.
That's a very good way of putting it. Yeah I figured I had to be over thinking the wording, like I sometimes do :)
The second Death Star is destroyed. The Emperor and his powerful enforcer, Darth Vader, are rumored to be dead. The Galactic Empire is in chaos.
It's probably nothing, but is anyone else curious about the word choice there?
Even if they aren't all novels, I agree it does still sound like a lot of material to punch out quickly in the months prior to TFA. They're likely to announce even more material too, including more comics. 30 years worth of material is a lot to catch up on after all, but still, all we can hope for is they make sure every single story is well-thought out so that nothing contradicts each other and that they are all good stories to boot.
I have to say I really like that artwork of Leia. I'd take one as a poster :)
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Wow, now that's a whole lot of Legos to make that Death Star! I've always thought Legos were awesome and perhaps it's about time I visit Legoland, especially with all of the Star Wars themes they're putting on display too - 2 interests in 1 ;) Has anybody else been there?
That reminds me of this fan-created, incredibly accurate looking, Lego AT-AT.
https://ideas.lego.com/projects/14579
It's really too bad it did not quite pass to become a purchasable set. I was seriously considering buying it if it did. I guess it would've been too expensive for it to be worthwhile to market?
If there's anybody OT who wasn't the big 3 but is deserving of some kind of cameo, it'd be Lando. I'm sure that's why they haven't mentioned him, so we wouldn't feel ripped off if he's only in it for one scene - so now we'll be happy if he's in it at all.
I still think it could've been neat to have had Wedge as a general. Not a big role, but similar to General Rieekan in ESB. If only Lawson were up for it... unless he expressed disinterest only to throw off the media? *fingers crossed*
My only other choice for a cameo would then have to be Malakili ;)
SilverWook said:
And as I've said before, Mark didn't get back into shape just for a glorified cameo.
I agree and do believe you're right, but it doesn't completely rule out that slight possibility.
No matter how long he's needed for the story, I see Hamill as a team player who's willing to do what is needed - losing a lot of weight and growing his self-disdained beard - so that he can be the best he can be for his iconic role. Sure they can use digital manipulation, but that's the sort of thing they don't want to do if it can be avoided at all.
I for one am looking forward to seeing enough of Jedi Master Luke Skywalker who is in good shape and kicking ass. I'm sure I'm not the only one either, so again I believe you're right :)
ratpack1961 said:
Is it normal for pilots to be in a few crashes? Serious question as Harrison is an experienced pilot so I'm wondering if his constant flying just increases the odds of a crash like that happening.
I guess flying WW II era planes increases those chances.
It doesn't always happen, but never tell him the odds ;)