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^ I’m not clicking on that but is there anything to these rumors? If they’re big enough I probably will read/hear about them in the next year so I want to know if there is any validity to them.
Michael Jackson - Smooth Criminal
Dead Congregation - Auguring An Eternal War
Darkthrone - Summer of The Diabolical Holocaust
One of these things, is not like the other one…
Celtic Frost - Necromantical Screams
Kendrick Lamar - Ronald Reagan Era (His Evils)
Nobuo Uematsu, along with Masashi Hamauzu and Junya Nakano - Mt. Gagazet
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Michael Jackson - Human Nature
Michael Jackson feat. Paul McCartney - The Girl Is Mine
Michael Jackson - P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)
Michael Jackson - Rock With You
Burzum - Inn I Slottet Fra Droemmen
Man…Michael had that fucking heat.
Michael Jackson - Smooth Criminal
Dead Congregation - Auguring An Eternal War
Darkthrone - Summer of The Diabolical Holocaust
So I guess 0/10 would be unwatchable
ZkinandBonez said:
I’d say it was more his sense of discipline and control. Also killing people like Ozzel was simply tactical. I just don’t see anger in it, but then again I’m seeing this from a pre-PT perspective.
I don’t know man. “He’s as clumsy as he is stupid” sounded pretty spiteful to me.
Again, I’d call it tactical. He’s trying to seduce him to the dark side. Calling him “son” and promising him the death of the emperor, as well as offering him power is all very tactical. I’d hardly call it a heartfelt father-son moment. He’s basically just trying to remedy the situation. (If anything I’d say it’s more akin to the “Dun Möch” thing you brought up further down.)
It’s about as heartfelt as you can get with a Sith. I think him calling him son along with all of his mannerisms after he revealed to Luke that they were related proves that he cares for him a little bit but that’s just me. It makes more sense that Vader would save Luke in ROTJ if he showed that he cared about him (or at least the prospect of ruling with his son) in ESB
Fair enough, but I’m not sure if I’m too convinced that Dun Möch was the intention back in 1980. But, yes he was trying to draw Luke out. But if he had such an explosion of emotion finding out about Luke, then isn’t it slightly weird that his immediate though when learning about Leia is to use her as bait.
Had the situation been different (such as Luke being captured and restrained) and then Vader said that I could understand where you’re coming from.
That’s seem like a bit of a cop out to me.
I guess.
Sure, but even in ANH he does show frustration and even surprise at the end. And this scene really doesn’t convey more than, again, disappointment.
The only time Vader shows any emotion is when he was yelling for the Storm Troopers to tear the ship apart. That’s very different from him being awestruck that Luke escaped his grasp to the point that killing someone that failed him didn’t cross his mind.
Well, that’s kind of my point. Many of these stories that I mentioned were taking place around ANH. One that especially bugged me (and this was before I disliked the PT) showed Vader having a Padme moment right after the Death Star.
I think we’re both seeing this from two very different perspectives. I see a character that was created and established in the 70’s and 80’s and treat him as such. I keep forgetting that modern SW writers don’t really give a damn about and simply write the character based on a lot of PT-retconning.
I think they’re just trying to make his turn in ROTJ make more sense. To establish that he still always had a shred of humanity in his if certain stimuli crossed his path. Now whether they did that right is another matter.
So you’re not wrong about him thinking about Padme, or him using Dun Möch, I’m just arguing that it’s not how the original Vader would have behaved.
Vader taunted Ben in SW and tried to prod Luke with the prospect of turning Leia to the Dark Side in ROTJ…That is how he acted. Dun Möch is just a term built around that behavior.
But how will we ever know if Vader or Boba are feeling emotions if they’re not having an anime-style meltdown!
Subtle emotions are for pretentious artfilm jerks! That’s why adding that “No!” to Vader at the end of Jedi was a masterstroke, now we really know how he felt instead of just guessing like a bunch of idiots!
I probably would have preferred him to maybe choke someone over a tiny mistake or something like that, or maybe just growl at people like he did at the end of ESB (pre-SE).Something to visualize/illustrate his anger without smashing stuff around him.
I would rather him hack someone to bits with his lightsaber or break someone’s neck. Something more brutal to show that this isn’t generic Vader rage but something more
Maybe, it just seems savage even for Vader as far a I’m concerned.
Nothing is too savage for a Sith Lord…
Vader used to be tactical and patient, sure he killed a lot of his own men in the OT, but never out of rage.
I’m pretty sure his men failing him angered him and that anger is why he killed them.
Maybe early days Vader, but not post ANH Vader. I feel that with someone like Vader, even if he simply killed an officer for a less-serious mistake than usual that it could convey that he was holding in a lot of frustration and anger.
I think the raged could be conveyed in a more potent way but that’s fine I guess.
Finding out about Luke should be not so much an explosion of feelings, but rather a tiny crack in his emotional barrier which gradually grows over the course of the next-few-years/movies.
If anything finding out Ahsoka was alive would do this minus the gradual growing. Family bonds are different.
I guess. But did he really care for Luke prior to ROTJ? Maybe he did, I just never got that impression. He seemed more interested in killing the Emperor with his help at first. I just don’t really see Vader caring for anyone that much at this stage.
Luke. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son. Come with me. It is the only way.
Son, come with me.
Seems pretty personal to me
Even in ROTJ his immediate reaction to learning about Leia, without hesitation, was again, turning her to the dark side.
I always saw that as Vader trying to draw Luke out of hiding. Vader was proficient in Dun Möch ya know 😉
This I just don’t buy, Luke was clearly ready to die there, and I don’ really see how Vader would have known he would survive. Maybe he knew Luke was alive when he growls at the Imperial officer later on, but when Luke fell I don’t see how he’d assume anything other than that his son was falling to his death.
Aboard the bridge he instantly know that Luke is alright so the anger stems from Luke slipping through his grasp.
Also he could have known because of precognition just like he knew Luke didn’t fall to his death when he got sucked out of the window.
I don’t really see how that’s comparable to finding out about Luke. But still, I honestly wouldn’t have complained if him finding out about Luke had resulted in a similar silent, and in addition, simply thoughtful, kind of a moment.
I’m not comparing it to anything; I’m just using it as an example of Vader showing emotion pre ROTJ. That’s actually the first genuine emotional moment the audience sees from Vader.
You know what, I’m not even sure why I’m arguing against this story, I haven’t even read the whole thing, just what I could find online + what’s been posted on the forum. I’m probably just tired of seeing this Vader; https://66.media.tumblr.com/8325f965faf10d6e8fc002f612fee202/tumblr_miznvdiK991rkvurgo1_500.jpg
http://i.stack.imgur.com/R1dGS.jpg
and much prefer the darker and more menacing villain that he used to be. I don’t mind there being emotional depth to the character, I just think that it’s been somewhat cheaply, or at least too “obviously” done in the last ten years.
I think it depends on the timeline. If Vader is still sulking about Padme without provocation (as in having her being brought up) shortly before SW occurs then that would irritate me
ZkinandBonez said:
Smashing the bridge of a Star Destroyer however just seems a tad silly and reckless to me, and as I mentioned, a bit too obviously taken from ROTS.
I don’t think he meant to do it but sure.
I probably would have preferred him to maybe choke someone over a tiny mistake or something like that, or maybe just growl at people like he did at the end of ESB (pre-SE).Something to visualize/illustrate his anger without smashing stuff around him.
I would rather him hack someone to bits with his lightsaber or break someone’s neck. Something more brutal to show that this isn’t generic Vader rage but something more
Had it been a novel I think I’d simply preferred a description of his frustration/anger/etc.
That with some kind of outburst would have been nice.
I also feel that it’s very important that Vader at this point in his life is pretty emotionless and machine-like. He has after all been Vader for almost 20 years at this point. And keep in mind that this is the Vader that killed his old master and friend without any hesitation what-so-ever.
He hated Obi-Wan though…
Finding out about Luke should be not so much an explosion of feelings, but rather a tiny crack in his emotional barrier which gradually grows over the course of the next-few-years/movies.
If anything finding out Ahsoka was alive would do this minus the gradual growing. Family bonds are different.
Even in ESB, a few years later he’s still emotionally cold enough to cut his own son’s hand off,
That’s true but he had to because Luke wouldn’t give up.
And when Luke actually drops into the abyss his reaction is surprisingly neutral, disappointment at most.
I think he knew fully that Luke would survive somehow and his reaction was just that. Disappointment.
It’s not really until ROTJ that he’s starting to show real emotions. That crack has had plenty of time to grow in those years.
Not really. His reaction to the Millennium Falcon escaping at the end of ESB where he turns away then looks back to empty space only to finally walk off is actually telling. Not only that he didn’t even kill the Imperial that failed him. On a side note I can’t believe that scene isn’t up on youtube.
Compared to Kylo Ren’s outbursts Vader cracking glass of a Star Destroyer doesn’t really count as a tantrum. Also Vader wouldn’t just shrug off at the fact he has a son. That’s just not who he is.
Well, “tantrum” might have been a poor choice of words, but it is a bit too similar to the end of ROTS for my taste.
I see what you mean. At least there’s no cringe worthy “NOOOOOOOOOOO” in that comic.
One of he things that I liked with old EU stories is that they would acknowledge Vader’s feelings, but without having him smash stuff in the process (SOTE is a good example of this). He tended to keep it to himself.
I think it depends on the situation. Finding out that your Master lied to you about killing your pregnant wife and kids is something that warrants some anger. Visible anger. No one other than a droid would be able to hold that in.
But even that reaction is up for interpretation.
It was released pre ESB, was it not? If so then it shouldn’t be. At that time Vader was just a one dimensional (but great) baddie. He wasn’t like the Vader of ESB and ROTJ and Kylo Ren.
Compared to Kylo Ren’s outbursts Vader cracking glass of a Star Destroyer doesn’t really count as a tantrum. Also Vader wouldn’t just shrug off at the fact he has a son. That’s just not who he is.
I don’t understand this mothafucka…how can he act like such a pompous ass and have such bad grammar?
All art is subjective. You CANNOT prove…
Can you not?
I never say no to fries and omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent Computer Gods. You definitely have my vote.
Kreator - Love Us Or Hate Us
I choose hate.
Let it flow through you.
Kendrick Lamar - Alright
Kreator - Love Us Or Hate Us
Bathory - Woman of Dark Desires
There’s another, better Random Thoughts thread that means I don’t have to look at Hansi’s face…
You can see through the computer screen? You really are a Computer-God…thingy
Boba was actually better in the comics than he ever was in the OT. Tracking the Millennium Falcon was cool but other than that Boba was about as lethal as a Storm Trooper in ESB and ROTJ.
Eh. Boba to me was never about killing everyone all the time just because. To me it was about the threat that he could.
That whole cantina scene was silly to me. Boba just wrecking shit and making a huge spectacle of himself while completely losing his cool is not my Boba.
I never got that impression because Boba doesn’t kill anyone outside of these comics and TCW. Before seeing these two I just thought he was a good bounty hunter but a bad fighter.
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Why can’t Boba be calm, cool and collected and murk people when he needs to? Vader is the same way.
Boba was actually better in the comics than he ever was in the OT. Tracking the Millennium Falcon was cool but other than that Boba was about as lethal as a Storm Trooper in ESB and ROTJ.
I wouldn’t mind Link being an actual character this time around. I know for the longest we were supposed to project ourselves onto Link but having him at least talking what freshen things up a bit.
I wouldn’t mind if Link was annoying at first but went through an arc throughout the game. The only problem is that I can’t imagine Link as an actual person so whatever personality he might have could seem off.
Seems a bit simple. The way Vader found out in the Vader comic series actually evokes some kind of emotion from me.
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Also Boba Fett doing his thing was glorious
Well let’s get the full story before we start calling Han and Leia’s parenting into question…
Wiz Khalifa Feat. Trae Tha Truth & Big Sean - Phone Numbers
I used to get high to this song all the time
Dead Congregation - Voices
EDIT:
John Williams - Padme’s Ruminations
Yoko Shimomura - The 13th Struggle (2.5 version)
Daniel Licht - Wink
Pestilence - The Secrecies of Horror
Creepy floating hand is creepy
Haven’t been so excited for something since TFA.
Darkthrone - A Blaze In The Northern Sky
