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#684245
Topic
Religion
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mrbenja0618 said:


Jesus said this in the book of Matthew, chapter 6:

“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of people, to be seen by them. Otherwise, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So whenever you give to the poor, don’t sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be applauded by people. I assure you: They’ve got their reward! But when you give to the poor, don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

That is certainly good advice from Mr Jesus

So, yes there is reward for being righteous or being good. BUT, only if you do it with the mindset of not seeking reward. By doing it just to be righteous/good. God wants us to choose to be righteous because we desire to be righteous.

Of course, one could argue, that we do good things because we feel it's right, and because we feel good about doing them. It could also be argued (and it has) that so called "selfless" acts are also "selfish", that is, we do them because we know we will feel better about ourselves in the end. Not that it's a bad thing, after all. The result is still a good deed, and a good deed never goes unrewarded. If the person who receives it isn't what we call an asshole, he will certainly return the good deed.



[Dissertation about the Grand Canyon]

Yeah, but you really can't compare a finite hole in the ground (no matter how big) to an infinite Deity, can you? Even if you never ever ever leave the house, you're still going to somehow have the experience of a hole in the ground.

You don't know everything either. I could even ask if you know half of everything, and you would probably tell me no. You couldn't know half of everything, just like I couldn't. But let's just say for the sake of discussion that you do know half of everything. But, alas, you still do not know everything, so I ask you. Is it possible that this Jesus/God/Heaven thing could exist on the other half of the stuff you haven't learned yet?

I'll tell you, I don't know a quarter of everything. But to use a poker analogy, if I may, by looking at the cards I have in my hand, I can tell you, I'm pretty sure the rest of the deck is cards. There's not gonna be a blue whale in it.

Again, not arguing. Just giving a new perspective, and I'm up for respectable conversations. I just have to exit when people get rude/angry or start barking back and forth. I've been through that, and it does no one any good. Not saying you planned on doing that. But that it has happened to me on this thread. =)

Yeah, it's really useless when it happens.


I know you said more in your original post, but I need to go milk the cat or something. =)

I'll have some in my tea, thank you.

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#684222
Topic
Religion
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And now, let's hear the other side of the argument.

RicOlie_2 said:

1. Hope: religion often provides hope in an afterlife.

There is no evidence of any existence beyond the one we're currently experimenting. If you're gonna be good, do it for the sake of it, not for some sort of reward you're going to get at the pearly gates.

Quoting Queen.... Who wants to life forever????

2. Happiness: religion and prayer have been shown to increase happiness in multiple studies.

So have done many, many opium derivatives.

3. Explanation of the supernatural.

Again, no evidence whatsoever of any "supernatural".

4. Unification: this is debatable, but in theory, if everyone followed one religion there would be a lot fewer problems in the world, depending on the religion.

And everything would be really gray and boring, which is why I'm fine with people having different ideas, opinions, and that includes religion, too. People are always going to find something to disagree on.

5. Community: by sharing beliefs and meeting every so often, communities of people are formed and people have a chance to meet with people who share their beliefs.

In theory. In practice churches are a nest for gossips in fur coats.

6. It explains the origins of the universe (science does this, but it doesn't give a very satisfactory answer).

Religion will always say one thing. [Insert message here]

Science can't be and doesn't want to be definitive. Our understanding of gravity, for example, has chanced during the centuries. Because science is not a doctrine.

I don't get the "satisfactory" part.

7. Religion gives life meaning and purpose in a way that cannot be without religion.

Not everything is supposed to have a meaning, I'm afraid. We, as humans, have this ingrained reaction to all the things we do not understand, and that is trying to give them an explanation, a meaning.

Meanings are meaningless. It's all in the gooey gray and white matter inside our boney skulls.

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#683195
Topic
Episode III: Revenge of the Ridiculousness
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Ryan McAvoy said:

You could use the above idea ^ in the scene where Mace comes to arrest Palpatine.

He could be ordering food to the office. We could hear just the end of the kid from Domino's on the phone saying "How many chicken wings is that again sir...?" and Palpatine says "Order 66".

You, sir, gave me my first laugh of the day, and it was a big one! :)

Thank you! :D

Please, Frink, make it so!

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#683079
Topic
The Historical Discussion Thread: All Discussion Pertaining to History is Welcome
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TV's Frink said:

So does your mom.

 

Actually no, she did learn a bit of english, german and french at school, but has, since, never longed to ameliorate her skills by further learning above basic level. Her mispronunciation of "Lonsdale" has been a subject of ridicule for years now.