Leguman

Warbler said:

...

I am going to be really really pissed at which ever one of you is the liar.   

Please know this: I created this thread and asked Jay to mass email everyone because I honestly thought Dayv has cancer and was dying and needed help.  If he has committed fraud,  I didn't know and wasn't involved.

 

 

Well, one thing I've learnt in my life is that if you've been fooled by a lie, you shouldn't never accuse 'the other person' to be a liar.

If you've been a victim you have your own responsability in it. You actually have a responsability in every kind of situation you face in your life. "Active" or "Passive" participation doesn't make the least difference.

Anyway... All the best guys. I really don't care who tells the truth. Just I think it's the wrong place for it. I don't know you people and the best I can do is to irradiate my best feelings as I am in front of my screen for a tip.

ChainsawAsh said:

If Ben hadn't sacrificed himself, Luke would have refused to let Han take off without him, and Vader would have fought even harder to keep Ben at bay while the stormtroopers picked off the rest of the rebels.

Basically, he sacrificed himself so they could escape.  Luke never would have left Ben there to die, so dying in front of Luke solves that problem.  Becoming one with the Force so he could help Luke later was just a bonus.

Aaaaaaaahhhhhhh....... Oooooooooooohhhh o-Ohhhh.

WE HAVE ALL PEOPLE AROUND US WHO NEED OUR HELP.

LET'S BEGIN WITH THEM !

Now mods, I suggest you close this thread before it becomes a settling of scores...

I have no doubts all the wishes people has sent here are sincere.

... But let's don't get naive and face reality: if you can be sent money through this place for your cancer, it's the door open to anyone with twisted intentions to do the same on any site where there are communities like this.

That's why if I have nothing against such a topic, I thought since the begining making this one a stiky thread on a Star Wars related site was a very bad idea since day one, and a big mistake from the mods.

I wish the best to DAYV of course

but I also wishes the best to people like Warbler (just for instance) who are so emotionnaly sensitive they would feel so bad not to lift their finger by sending funds than these kinds of call make them nothing else than easy preys, just as to deal with a kind of "responsability"... But pity has nothing to do with responsability, and nobody should feel guilty not to get involved.

Hey, Dayv. If you could just remove this "Curse" sign from your your photo... I'm sure things will get even better ;)

TV's Frink said:

Did you watch the movie?

 

Hehe... Only the special effects !

... To help Luke in a better way.

1- Looks like O B 1 became more powerful as a "ghost" (rather say a spiritual beeing)

2- Luke would be led to deal with his destiny by himself.

... And I surmise O B 1 had fulfilled his own mission and could leave this world in all tranquility. He took his body with him in other spheres (what Vader hasn't been able to do...)

That's my way to see this.

Something I hate with purses is that you always have to fold your bills...

... And then they keep talking out loud...

($20) Front:

Back:

TV's Frink said:

So today I just noticed that Kenobius Prime has this signature:

JediTray's Vinyl Project has begun!

The obvious question: friend, fan, or sock?  It would be interesting to know Ken's join date (which unfortunately is hidden from view).

JT being a big autobots fan... Easy to guess.

And what about his use of another profile (Hal?...) to go on with his rant against GL?... With a lot of spelling mistakes even the stupid french I am wouldn't do...

Ahem...

Ok... Sorry mods, I think the OP for this project needs and worths to be clearly readable... I mean it's still a Star Wars Preservation forum, no?

Leguman time !

A B C said:

 

This project is an updgrade on many points of the previous "Audiophile Edition". It is my definitive set & fix.

 

 

© Copyrighted material: You must own the Empire Strikes Back original motion picture soundtrack Special Edition if you mean to keep for yourselves a copy of the entire project presented here. If you own any other releases of this score, then you may select and keep for yourselves the material in common from the actual set.

 

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK restored score

• Composer / Conductor: John Williams
• Performer: the London Symphony Orchestra
• Project: multiple sources remixing, restoration and remastering.
• Sources: 1980-1985 RSO/PolyGram (LPs & CD), 1993 Arista Anthology, 1997 RCA Special Edition, 1983 NPR Radio Drama.
• Set: 2CD (complete cues archive) + 2CD (edited score) + 1 CD (original album reconstructed and completed) + art covers, special booklet with liner notes and documentation, inside arts.
• Format: Lossless Flac audio

 

 

 

Related projects:

 

Dark_Jedi & ABC's *IMPERIAL EDITION* DVD - The restored score against the picture (B&W GOUT sourced restoration), featuring the completed original score as written for the 1980 final cut.

 

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK *AUDIOPHILE EDITION* (version 1) - Check for a more complete presentation.

 

 

A B C said:

 

- Check here the previous remixing/editing details (version 1)-

 

...What's new since the 1st "AE":

• EQ's: mostly 1993 sessions mixes tracks, using a 20Khz parametric equalizer to manage the 20Khz tone that is particular to these. Overall, the CD3 from the AE has been the main reference for new EQs. A lot of tracks from it then replace the previous CD1 & 2 ones.
• Pitch corrections: 5M4/6M1; 6M3; 7M3; 9M4 + 1M2 Alt this one checked against the 1980 film mix)
• Balance adjustment on a few tracks
• New source occasionnaly used for enhancement: the NPR Radio Drama for 6M3; 10M1
• Redone tracks: 6M2 (uses the film mix instead of the SE remix); 9M4, 1M2 Alt.
• Editing: checked and corrected when needed against J Williams piano sketches manuscript (scoring sheets).
• Other improvements: notably 8M2, bringing back the background details (xylophone(?) harmonics) from the sessions mix during Luke's vision passage.

 

+ A few other details.

 

A B C said:

SET 1: The Complete Cue List Archive Collection

 

Disc 1

01. 1M1-1M2 Main Title - The Imperial Probe (original)
02. 1M3/2M1 Luke's Escape
03. 2M2 Ben's Instructions
04. 2M3 Luke's Rescue
05. 2M4 The Probe Scanner
06. 3M1 Drawing The Battle Lines
      3M2 Leia's Instructions
07. 3M3 The Snow Battle
08. 3M4/4M1 Luke's First Crash
09. 4M2 The Rebels Escape Again
10. 4M3 The Asteroid Field
11. 5M1 Crash Landing
12. 5M2 Yoda Appears
13. 5M3 Yoda's Entrance
14. 5M4/6M1 Solo And The Princess
15. 6M2 Yoda's Teaching
16. 6M3 This Is Not A Cave
17. 6M4 Training A Jedi
18. 6M5/7M1 The Magic Tree
19. 7M2 Attack Position
20. 7M3 Yoda Raises The Ship
21. 7M4/8M1 Vader's Command


Disc 2

01. 8M2 City In The Clouds
02. 8M3 Lando's Palace
03. 9M1 Luke To The Rescue
04. 9M2 Vader Shows Up
05. 9M3 Putting ThreePio Together
06. 9M4 Trouble In Prison
07. 9M6/10M1 Carbon Freeze (original)
08. 10M2 Luke Pursues The Captives
09. 10M3 Chewie Chokes Lando
10. 11M1 Through The Window
11. 12M1 Losing A Hand
12. 12M2 To Hyper-Space
13. 12M3 Finale
    12M4 End Credits

CONCERT VERSIONS:
 
14. Darth Vader's Theme
15. Yoda's Theme

BONUS MATERIAL:

16. Fox Fanfare (Empire sessions recording)
17. 1M1-1M2 Main Title / The Imperial Probe (Alt inserts)
18. 12M2+2M3 Snowspeeder (film edit)
19. 4M3 The Asteroid Field (film cut)
20. 9M6/10M1 Carbon Freeze (Alt insert version)
21. 7M3+12M3 Finale (film edit)
      12M4 End Credits (Alt March Insert film version)

A B C said:

SET 2 - The Restored Original Score & Suites As Written For The Film (for no confusion: is not the IE DVD music track - tracks here are uncut ... See the SE ? You've got the idea then)

DISC 1

1. Main Title / Ice Planet:

   1M1 Main Title
   1M2 The Imperial Probe

2. Heroics Of Luke And Han:

   1M3/2M1 Luke's Escape
   2M2 Ben's Instructions
   2M3 Luke's Rescue

3. Aboard The Executor:

   2M4 The Probe Scanner

4. The Battle Of Hoth:

   3M1 Drawing The Battle Lines
   3M2 Leia's Instructions
   3M3 The Snow Battle
   3M4/4M1 Luke's First Crash
   4M2 The Rebels Escape Again

5. The Asteroid Field:

   4M3 The Asteroid Field

6. Swamps Of Dagobah:

   5M1 Crash Landing

7. Luke's Nocturnal Visitor:

   5M2 Yoda Appears
   5M3 Yoda's Entrance
  
8. Han And The Princess / Vader And The Emperor:

   5M4/6M1 Solo And The Princess

9. Jedi Master Revealed / Mynock Cave:

   6M2 Yoda's Teaching
   6M3 This Is Not A Cave

10. The Dark Side Of The Force:

   6M4 Training A Jedi
   6M5/7M1 The Magic Tree

11. Attack Position:

   7M2 Attack Position

12. Yoda And The Force:

   7M3 Yoda Raises The Ship



DISC 2:

01. Darth Vader's Command:

   7M4/8M1 Vadar's Command

02. The City In The Clouds:
  
   8M2 City In The Clouds

03. Lando's Palace / Luke's Promise:

   8M3 Lando's Palace

04. Leia's Worries:

   9M1 Luke To The Rescue

05. Betrayal At Bespin:

   9M2 Vader Shows Up

06. Captives:

   9M3 Putting ThreePio Together

07. Deal With Darth Vader:

   9M4 Trouble In Prison

08. Darth Vader's Trap:
  
   9M6/10M1 Carbon Freeze
   10M2 Luke Pursues The Captives
   10M3 Chewie Chokes Lando

09. The Duel:

   11M1 Through The Window

10. Revelation / Escape From Bespin:

   12M1 Losing A Hand
   12M2 To Hyper-Space

11. The Rebel Fleet / End Titles:

   12M3 Finale
   12M4 End Credits

12. The Imperial March

13. Yoda's Theme

A B C said:

SET 3: The RSO album reconstructed & completed (fixed). (78:10)

 

1. Main Title / Ice Planet / The Wampa's Lair
2. Snowspeeders
3. The Imperial March 
4. The Battle In The Snow
5. Luke First Crash 
6. The Rebel Escape  (alternate mix)
7. The Asteroid Field 
8. Nocturnal Visitor

9. Yoda's Theme
10. Han And The Princess / Vader And The Emperor
11. Jedi Master Revealed / Mynock Cave
12. Training A Jedi / The Magic Tree 
13. Yoda And The Force
14. The City In The Clouds 
15. Lando's Palace/Luke's Promise 
16. Departure Of Boba Fett 
17. The Duel
18. Hyperspace 
19. The Rebel Fleet/End Title (Album Version)

... And FYI the whole remastering / remixing detail:

(Note: there are many balance adjustments throughout the cues that are not detailed here).

 
1m1 MAIN TITLE  1'32"
· (START - 1'32'') RSO PolyGram CD - speed/pitch corrected


1m2 THE IMPERIAL PROBE  6'41"
· (1’31'' - 2’29'') RSO PolyGram CD
· (2’29'' - 2’45'') RCA Special Edition - missing segment
· (2’45'' - 2’54'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology (first 3sec from SE)
· (2’54'' - 3’45'') RSO PolyGram CD
· (3’45'' - END) ARISTA/FOX Anthology


1m3/2m1 LUKE'S ESCAPE  3'37"
· RCA Special Edition (Track)
· ARISTA/FOX Anthology clean ending
· RSO LP Layers:
(Sections)
· (0’00'' - 0’10'')
· (1’21'' - 1’40'')
· (1’48'' - 1’53'')
· (2’59'' - 3’24'')
(Percussions, Horns)
· At: 0'47''; 0'56''; 1'01'';
1'14''; 1'17''; 1'20'';
1'21''; 1'55''; 1'57'';
2'02''


2m2 BEN'S INSTRUCTION  3'32"
· RCA Special Edition


2m3 LUKE'S RESCUE  1'49"
· ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· RSO LP layer


2m4 THE PROBE SCANNER  3'10"
· RCA Special Edition


3m1 DRAWING THE BATTLE LINES  2'06"
· (START - 2'01'') RCA Special Edition
+ ARISTA/FOX Anthology layer for general sonority
· (2’01'' - 2'40'') RCA Special Edition
3m2 LEIA'S INSTRUCTIONS  2'00"
· (2’40'' - END) ARISTA/FOX Anthology


3m3 THE SNOW BATTLE  3'50"
· RSO PolyGram CD
  Restored cut at 2’28''


3m4/4m1 LUKE'S FIRST CRASH  4'15"
· (START - 0’58'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
  + RSO LP layer (0'05'' to 0'31'')
· (0’58'' - 4’00'') RSO LP
· (4'00'' - END) ARISTA/FOX Anthology


4m2 THE REBELS ESCAPE AGAIN  3'06"
· ARISTA/FOX Anthology (film mix) slightly resynchronized
· RSO LP from 2'05'' to 2'07'' (missing bit)
· RSO LP layer


4m3 THE ASTEROID FIELD  4'14"
· RSO PolyGram CD


5m1 CRASH LANDING  3'38"
· (START - 2'40'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (2'40'' - END) ARISTA/FOX Anthology
  Restored cut at 2'40''


5m2 YODA APPEARS  1'32"
· RCA Special Edition


5m3 YODA'S ENTRANCE  2'31"
· (START - 1’37'') RSO PolyGram CD
· (1’37'' - 1’47'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology - missing bit
· (1’47'' - END) RSO PolyGram CD


5m4/6m1 SOLO AND THE PRINCESS  3'28"
· (START - 1'31'') RSO PolyGram CD
· (1’31'' - END) RSO PolyGram CD
  Dropout removal on 2 sec at 1’19'' with the SE
  Pitch/speed Corrected track


6m2 YODA'S TEACHING  2'11"
· ARISTA/FOX Anthology (Film Mix)
· RSO LP Layer
· RCA Special Edition ending


6m3 THIS IS NOT A CAVE  3'35"
· (START - 0'36'') RCA Special Edition
· (0'36'' - 1'00'') NPR Radio Drama
· (1'00'' - 1'10'') RCA Special Edition
· (1'10'' - 1’48'') RSO PolyGram CD
· (1’48'' - 1'56'') RCA Special Edition - missing bit
· (1'56'' - 3'09'') RSO PolyGram CD
· (3'09'' - 3'15'') RCA Special Edition - missing bit
· (3'15'' - END) RSO PolyGram CD
  "Buzz" removal at 2'02'' with the SE
  Pitch/speed corrected RSO parts


6m4 TRAINING A JEDI  1'41"
· (START - 0'44'') RSO POLYGRAM CD
· (0'44'' - END) RCA Special Edition


6m5/7m1 THE MAGIC TREE  3'35"
· ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· RSO LP layer


7m2 ATTACK POSITION  3'07"
· (START - 0'52'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (0'52'' - END) ARISTA/FOX Anthology
  Three electrical noises removed with the SE


7m3 YODA RAISES THE SHIP  4'05"
· RSO PolyGram CD
  Pitch & Speed Corrected track


7m4/8m1 VADER'S COMMAND  1'17"
· (START – 0’26'') RCA Special Edition
· (0’26'' – END) RCA Special Edition


8m2 CITY IN THE CLOUDS  4'47"
· (START – 0’09'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology + RSO LP Layer
· (0’09'' – 0’35'') RSO LP
· (0’35'' – 1’26'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (0’34'' – 2’06'') RSO LP layers
· (1’26'' – 2’29'') RCA Special Edition + ARISTA/FOX Anthology layer
· (2’29'' – 3’40'') RSO LP
· (3’40'' – END) ARISTA/FOX Anthology


8m3 LANDO'S PALACE  3'54"
· (START - 1’21'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology + RSO LP layer
· (1’21'' - 2’24'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology + RSO LP layer
· (2’24'' - END) ARISTA/FOX Anthology + RSO LP layer


9m1 LUKE TO THE RESCUE  1'03"
· (0’00” - 0'14'') RCA Special Edition
· (0’14'' - END) RCA Special Edition


9m2 VADER SHOWS UP  1'45"
· (0’00” - 0'40'') RCA Special Edition
· (0’40'' - END) RCA Special Edition


9m3  PUTTING THREEPIO TOGETHER  1'03"
· RCA Special Edition


9m4 TROUBLE IN PRISON  2'35"
· (START – 2'07'') RCA Special Edition
· (2'07'' – END) RCA Special Edition
  Pitch/Speed corrected track


9m6/10m1 CARBON FREEZE  4'17"
· (START - 0'23'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (0'23'' - 1'16'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (1'16'' - 1'34'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (1'34'' - 2'38'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (2'38'' - 3'35'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (3'35'' - 3'43'') NPR Radio Drama missing note
· (3'39'' - END) ARISTA/FOX Anthology


10m2 LUKE PURSUES THE CAPTIVES  3'21"
· (START - 0'35'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (0'35'' - 1'59'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (1'59'' - 2'18'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (2'18'' - 2'42'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (2'42'' - END) ARISTA/FOX Anthology
  electrical noise removal at 2'44'' on 2 sec.


10m3 CHEWIE CHOKES LANDO  3'41"
· (0'00'' - 0'06'') RCA Special Edition
· (0'06'' - 2'36'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (2'36'' - 3'37'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· RSO LP layers:
· (0’15'' - 1’00'')
· (1’16'' - 3’26'')
  Double cut restoration using both SE and Anthology
  from 2'36'' to 2'40''.


11m1 THROUGH THE WINDOW  4'14"
· (START - 0'27'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (0'27'' - 1'33'') RSO POLYGRAM CD
· (1'33'' - 2'49'') RSO POLYGRAM CD
· (2'49” - 4'00'') RSO POLYGRAM CD
· (2'49” - END) RCA Special Edition - End violins
· Speed/pitch corrected RSO track


11m2/12m1 LOSING A HAND  5'23"
· ARISTA/FOX Anthology


12m2 TO HYPERSPACE  4'06"
· ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· RSO LP layer


12m3 FINALE  2'00"
· (START - 1'47'') RSO POLYGRAM CD
· (1'47'' - 1'57'') RSO POLYGRAM CD
+ The first missing harp notes added from the Anthology


12m4 END CREDITS  4'26"
· (1'57'' - 2'06'') RSO POLYGRAM CD
· (2'06'' - 3'42'') RSO POLYGRAM CD
· (3'42'' - 3'51'') RSO POLYGRAM CD
· (3'51'' - 4'28'') RSO POLYGRAM CD - from the "Imperial March" track
· (4'28'' - 4'37'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology - from the "Film Version" bonus track
· (4'37'' - 5'47'') RSO POLYGRAM CD
· (5'47'' - END) RSO POLYGRAM CD
  Saturation and volume corrections on many segments and parts
  "tape crash" restoration at 3'08" with the Anthology
  Accurate balance corrections in 12 parts matching with the following cuts:
  0'00''-0'57''-1'22''-1'33''-2'06''-3'11''-3'20''-3'51''-4'28''-4'37''-5'52''-6'21''-6'23''


THE IMPERIAL MARCH (DARTH VADER'S THEME)  3'02"
· RSO POLYGRAM CD


YODA'S THEME  3'29"
· RSO POLYGRAM CD


 FOX FANFARE  0'26"
(1980 - EMPIRE Sessions Recording)
· ARISTA/FOX Anthology

Alternate Material:

1m1-1m2 MAIN TITLE,
THE IMPERIAL PROBE  4'04"
(Re-scored, partial film version)
· (0’00'' - 1’31'') Main Title RSO POLYGRAM CD - speed/pitch corrected
· (1'43'' - 2’24'') RCA Special Edition - "New Start" (film overture)
· (2'24'' - 2’35'') RCA Special Edition missing segment
· (2’35'' - 2’43'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology (+ first 3sec from SE for junction)
· (2’43'' - 3’46'') RSO POLYGRAM CD
· (3’15'' - 3’31'') RCA Special Edition - insert bar 80 (unused ending).


9m6/10m1 CARBON FREEZE  4'09"
· (START - 0'23'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (0'23'' - 1'16'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (1'16'' - 1'34'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (1'34'' - 2'38'') ARISTA/FOX Anthology
· (2'38'' - 3'17'') RCA Special Edition - insert bar 57 (unused)
· (3'17'' - END) ARISTA/FOX Anthology
  According to J. Williams piano sketches, the insert misses here a few
  bars in order to allow the correct editing with the following segment.


7m3-12m3/12m4 FINALE, END CREDITS  6'50"
(Film version)
Same as original, with expanded intro from 7m3. The "Imperial March"
is replaced here with its alternate "End Credits Insert" (Anthology bonus
track). John Williams would surely have chosen to present this original
version on the 1980 album but it seems the available recordings of this
part are corrupted with saturation due to too loud volume as testify the
film, the soundtracks, and even the NPR Radio Drama audio-books.

-

To be used without moderation !...

none said:

When will this reasonable thread return to reasonability?

Sorry man, but in case you wouldn't have understood yet: the whole Off Topic section belongs to TV's Frink. :(

... And nobody can't do anything about this... not even the mods...

I always prefered Star Shrek.

Akwat Kbrana said:

It's always fun to read your posts, ABC, because half the time I don't know what the hell you're talking about. :)

Haha...!

However... Have you never read Bingo about himself stuck at the airport or whatever transport ?

... Or do I just have a good memory ?

Anchorhead said:

... He's someone who, while not terribly bright to begin with, comes across as almost mentally damaged from years of drug use. 

 

Is it a film about Jean-Claude Van Damme ?

Bingo's Christmas trips stories are always the best milezim from the Off Topic section... Send an illustrated postcard !

TML said:

The Golden Idol said:

TML said:

 Thats it! I hate it when something bothers you, but you don't know what's bothering you about it, so it bothers you even more. If that makes any sense.

 I understand. But why does that bother you? It's not necessarily a mistake, Yoda could just have a (asymmetrical) crooked back.

 It just doesn't look natural and, in my opinion, that shot really makes him look like a puppet. But thats just me...

Imperfections in Nature are mostly assymetrical. Perfection tends more to be symetrical (snowflakes for instance).

This imperfection on Yoda's back looks even more natural being assymetrical... To my eyes.

TML said:

Is it just me, or does Yoda look a little "off" in this scene? It's been driving me crazy trying to figure out what it is... I don't know, maybe it's just me.

Aaaahhh. So, is that the origin of your crazyness ? ;)

I'm gonna win the thread with those ones...

... Seriously... Hal should go with JTray.

zombie84 said:

doubleofive said:

The greatest speech against the Special Editions was written by George Lucas.

 Brilliant. I'm preparing an article that will examine the full document and I think I am going to title it this.

Fascinating, infuriating, sad and inspiring all at once this speech is.

Wow, I agree ! Thank you for the quotes.

... the best explaination possible I would see about his behaviour may be that perhaps he's now trying to show us he was right ! ;)

hairy_hen said:

Phrinke wishes he could make adult films with Ash's mom . . .

:D

TV's Frink said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Oh, and in case it makes you feel even older: my mother was 13 when Tron came out.

I was nine...

...I'm only four years younger than your mom...

 

I AM your father !

 

ChainsawAsh said:

 

NOOOOOOOOO !!!???...

 

 

... Seriously ?

I always thought they had a familly air.

TV's Frink said:

Today's "Make Frink Feel Old" quote brought to you by Pancakes.

... Perhaps you watch too much adult films.

Fresh air, brought to you by MY NEIGHBOUR TOTORO...

Just thought this one deserved a bump... Nobody else watched this baby ? Mmmhhh well...

PS to CA:

... What would you think if I used your older Star Wars and Jedi score remasters to make companion pieces for this?

... I'd say you'd better use the Anthology stuff first. Imho.

... And if however he wouldn't...