LeeThorogood

Thanks for the support Jetrell

Rendering is complete. So here are some screen shots showing 'BEFORE' aka unfiltered with 'AFTER' aka the latest filtered version.

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In motion these will look worse then the last filter combination did, but in the stills I think it gives a better result. Let me know what you think.

link343, The THX OUT will be released when its finished. The '97 SE which is finished has already in my view been released via snail mail. Neither have been uploaded to the newsgroup yet.

If I get a gap while I am working on the THX OUT to upload the '97 SE then I will do otherwise both will get uploaded once the THX OUT is finished.

Murry, Rockin Thanks for the Feedback! :)

Zombie84 likewise thanks for the feedback and the advice ;)

I am rendering again this time trying out one last filter which should be more selective doing a better job of only softening the areas that need it, once its done I will post some new comparison shots.

I would suggest trying the Windows version of MPEG Streamclip. I have not used the windows version myself but if its as good as the mac version its a very hand piece of software for converting video to different formats amongst other things.

Good Luck!

Rendering with the new filter combination is complete. So here are some screen shots showing 'BEFORE' aka unfiltered with 'AFTER' aka filtered.

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What do you guys think? I know that with the filtered version there is some softening of the problem areas and some slight lose of detail, but then this is to be expected when trying to solve this kind of problem.

Ok, I tried re-aligning the fields with no success. :( I have however found a combination of filters that seem to help smooth out the problem areas while not quite solving the problem altogether. :s

I will post some comparison shots in a few days once rendering is complete so you can see the difference between original and filtered.

Okay so vertical adjustment it is then?

Thanks for the links Moth3r, I have read through them all, lots of interesting info. :) I guess I shouldn't complain too much as the NTSC LDs clearly have it much much worse!

If for a moment we assume this problem is the same as the DC/Faces set and if we take it that Laserman was right about that problem and that the misalignment is constant. Then I think I may have a solution.

I have just found a filter for FCP that should let me make either the upper or lower fields of a clip transparent. If I was to set-up a timeline with two video tracks containing identical video clips (LD Sides + VHS Clip) and then apply this filter to the clips in both tracks but setting the clips in one track to make the upper fields transparent and the clips in the other to make the lower fields transparent then I should be able to adjust the vertical position of the clips in one track to try and bring the two fields back into alignment.

I will give this a try when I get home tonight and post back with the results. :)

Hi Moth3r,

Thanks for the reply, I recently got hold of your release of the 1995 THX set, and I am sorry to say the problem is present in your release as well, which makes me think its a problem with the 1995 THX master :(

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With this one its hard to see the problem in a still but those thin grey lines seem to flicker when in motion which I think is being caused by variations in the jaggies :(

In case anyone was wondering I put in the red circles to highlight the problem areas :p

I do happen to have newsgroup access at the moment but I have never uploaded to the newsgroup before so bare with me while I figure things out, I will let you know once they are posted :)

Hi guys, I am sorry to report that it looks like ANH has a problem with interlace flicker / jaggies. The problem is most noticeable on horizontal / diagonal lines like on C-3POs shouldar and collar, or on the orb in the Death Star briefing room. Unfortunately it appears to be a problem with either the way the LDs have been mastered or the 1995 PAL master itself as it effects the French audio LDs as well as the Coffret LDs.

I did test using my s-video connection instead of composite to see if that helped but it didn't! :(

As I see it at this point I have two options, I can leave the jaggies as they are or I can try and fix them up as best I can. To be honest I have no idea where to begin tackling this problem, any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

Many Thanks

I have adjusted my plan of action somewhat as I didn't want to get to one of the final stages and then find there was a problem, so I have decided to complete ANH entirely once I have done that I will do Empire and Jedi in parallel. Now then as far as ANH goes I have finished capturing, averaging, and editing all the sides together along with the tiny segment of VHS footage. Unlike my '97SE project I wont be using the LD chapter points as there are too many with this being a CAV set, instead I will use the GOUT DVD chapter points.

JetrellFo many thanks for the offer of the LDs, however if I were to use any release based on the '93 master I may as well use the GOUT.

msycamore I am certainly planning to have a go at doing an NTSC version but beyond that I can't promise anything.

On a side note if anyone wants to design some DVD covers for this set then feel free, otherwise I will do it myself once the release is finished. :)

As far as CAV sets go, it is my understand there was the following:

1995 French Coffret (English Audio)
1995 French Individual Releases (French Audio)
1995 German Individual Releases (German Audio)

There may have been a German Box-Set but I could not see a listing on LDDB.com

I don't know if any other LD sets have the footage I need. Unfortunately even if there was a set I don't have the finances to buy another set of LDs for the foreseeable future. :(

This set is CAV!

As far as being better quality, as I understand it CAV is suppose to be better quality but believe it or not I am not an expert when it comes to LaserDiscs.

Sorry about not posting an update. Yes I have now watched Empire and Jedi and as far as picture/sound quality goes what I said about ANH goes for them too.

I've begun capturing and averaging, and am hoping to finish capturing / averaging side 4 of ANH tonight. I then plan to capture the VHS footage I need tomorrow night and edit the whole thing together. If I have time I will start Empire afterwards otherwise I will start Empire on Thursday.

It may not take me 3 weeks to do all the capturing and averaging after all! :D

Indeed!

I just finished watching Star Wars through and I couldn't see any problems with the LaserDiscs. I should have time to watch Empire and Jedi over the weekend so once I start capturing on Monday I can do a clear run of all 3 films.

Its so refreshing to watch the OUT and the colours not be all washed out like on the GOUT and as always the level of detail on LaserDisc continues to impress me!

Guess what just arrived!

That's right the French 1995 Coffret LaserDisc set! The audio is English or as the jacket says 'Version Originale' with French subtitles in the lower black bar. I've not got a lot of time as I need to get ready for work, but having a quick look at the 1st LD of ANH the picture quality looks good, about equal to my '97 SE LDs.

I have to say I am really pleased, this set is in exceptional physical condition, its like the whole thing is brand new!

Now then for some details of this preservation. I reckon it's going to take about 3 weeks to capture all 3 films and 5 capture average them. Then another week to edit the 4 sides and VHS footage where needed together, with a final week for authoring to DVD. So that's 5 weeks in total.

Unfortunately I am very busy this week so I probably wont be able to start until Monday. As always I will keep you all updated as I make progress. :)

Hi Jetrell,

I managed to get the coffret set for a reasonable price. :)

To be honest I have not yet really taken a good look at the picture quality of the 1995 French THX release, partly because the audio is French, but also because I have been busy with other hobbies. I seriously needed a break after the '97 SE but I am now ready to get going again!

Once the coffret set arrives I will watch all 3 films through and report back on what I think of the picture quality. ;)

If its any help Jetrell I started from square one more times then I can remember now, and I had been working on my SE release for at least 4 months before I started this thread, even then I went back and started over a few more times before I finally perfected my work-flow and finished the V2 of the '97 SE. I just had to keep telling myself its just one long learning experience. :)

Hi Murry

So pleased to hear you're happy with the release so far! I look forward to hearing how you found SW and ROTJ. :D

As for the French 1995 THX LaserDiscs, I have in my possession the individual French language release of the trilogy. Even better however is whats on its way to me, the French 1995 THX LaserDisc English language box-set. :D :D :D Once this arrives if I am happy with it the French language set will be up for sale and I will be ready to begin my transfer of this release.

I will post back when I have more news ;)

For those of you who wanted an NTSC copy of my 1997 SE preservation. I am sorry to say I wont be able to provide it. I have spent the last week trying to do an NTSC version from my PAL masters but no matter what I tried the audio always seems to become unsync'd :( I am therefore throwing in the towel as far as the NTSC conversion goes, however I am more then happy for someone else to handle the conversion to NTSC. :)

So just to be clear this release is PAL ONLY unless someone does an NTSC conversion.

As for the 1995 PAL THX set, the VHS tapes have arrived and I have watched them through and they seem fine so I should be good to fill in the gaps with these. I have also been informed that the LaserDiscs have shipped, so they should hopefully be with me fairly soon. :D

Thanks Moth3r now I feel even worse :p the guy I got my French Star Wars LaserDiscs off had the English Audio set, but he sold it to someone who brought one of his other items for 3 Euros plus when he had it listed he quoted me 7 Euros postage! What a bargain the buyer must have got.

Hi Moth3r

As usual your posts are informative and useful! :)

Many Thanks

Who wants to hear some good news?

Firstly I won a set of the 1995 THX French LaserDiscs yesterday, unfortunately it wasn't the 'Coffret' box set I had been looking for which I understood to have English audio and French subtitles in the black bars but instead it was a set of the 3 individual releases which I understand have French audio and no subtitles. I have also won a set of the 1995 THX Widescreen VHS (English) to fill in any gaps.

Now as I don't speak or understand French, I will need to replace the French audio with English audio. To do this what I thought I would do is sync the video from the LaserDisc captures to the Video from the PAL GOUT DVDs which will also sync my LaserDisc captures to the GOUT English audio at the same time solving the audio problem. :D If anyone who is interested in this release has and can share the 5.1 audio from the US OUT LaserDiscs then I would be more then happy to sync the 5.1 audio to the GOUT 2.0 audio and use the 5.1 for the final release like I did for the 1997 SE.

Speaking of the 1997 SE, I am going to try to do an NTSC conversion of ANH towards the back end of this week, if this is successful then I will do ESB and ROTJ afterwards. Those of you who have requested a copy of this release, if you would rather wait for the NTSC release please let me know. :)

VERY BIG UPDATE everyone! All three of the DVD images are now finished. The Verbatim DL DVDs I ordered from Amazon came yesterday so I have now burned all three DVD images.

Although I have not watched all three DVDs through fully, I have played all three in both my PC and our Samsung Blu-Ray player, skipping through watching various scenes, and generally testing menu functionality. What can I say other then WOW and COOL!

I am very pleased with how these have turned out and am happy to declare the DVLD 1997 SE V2 release finished! :D

I am planning to purchase newsgroup access when I have some spare cash and will upload these then. In the meantime if anyone wants me to mail out a set of DVDs to them then PM me for details.

VERY EXCITED about finishing these and just in time for my birthday on Sunday :D

Hi Austin,

Thanks for the help :D but unfortunately they are NTSC and so probably use the 93' Definitive Collection master like the GOUT. :(

While I am here I may as well give you guys an update. ROTJ is now about 50% authored, I am hoping to get this finished off Wednesday evening, so once that's done all I will need to do is burn and test these and if everything is OK that will be my 1997 SE V2s complete.

If anyone is looking for artwork for these I have designed some CD Jewel Case inserts (which I need to tweak and update) and plan to do some CD labels as well to go with them.