Laserschwert

generalfrevious said:

I can no longer understand why SW became so great back then.

Oh I can fully understand, why it became so great BACK THEN...

Moth3r said:

a cropped full-frame image.

*shudder*

Rumor has it, that the Blu-rays will have the crawls with the German "Krieg der Sterne"-logos (with ANH obviously using the "Neue Hoffnung"-crawl). It'll be interesting to see which one Empire and Jedi will be using...

I was thinking about re-doing the German crawl digitally in HD... using the German logo from Empire (it's the same as in Jedi) and the pan down + the rest of the shot from an English HD source. Of course, the crawl would probably look too clean, but it's the only option for an HD crawl right now, I guess.

Edit:
D'oh, redoing the crawl wouldn't be necessary of course... I could just use the upcoming Blu-ray crawl plus the "Krieg der Sterne"-logo from Empire.

As an less OT-focused alternative, we could simply put the ANH-SE "Krieg der Sterne"-logo in front of all three Blu-ray crawls, as that one is way cleaner and fits the new crawls a bit better.

The interlacing isn't the problem here, but the low resolution is.

So, no German FullHD Jedi crawl?

"VLC Player" snaphots the clean input image.

R2D2 said:

Laserschwert, what makes you think, that the Jedi crawl is an SD-upscale? Can I verify this on my sources? Maybe I got something else here!? The .TS stream did look quite impressive on my 42" display.

 

It's pretty easy to spot, so if yours looks good, it's probably not an upscale. Here's a comparison:

ANH crawl
TESB crawl
ROTJ crawl (with interlacing and everything)

it becomes even clearer once the camera pans down to the Death Star:

Death Star

The next shot (and the rest of the movie) is in HD though:

Shuttle

All three end credits though are in English... is that different in your versions?

EDIT
I've started downloading your Usenet-upload... we'll see! ;)

EDIT 2
Ah damn, didn't realize you've uploaded only the SD crawls for now...

Nah, I doubt it... the bottom container has the nub, the disc sits on that. The inside of the lid has the foam pad to hold the disc on the nub. Here's a translation of the shop description:

"The nub in the bottom part fixates the CD contact-free (so without it touching the bottom). The foam pad in the lid holds the CD safely."

I found these:

The bottom of the tin has a holder, while the inside of the lid has some foam padding, so the discs is fixated on the nub. Although I'm wondering how you get the disc out of the tin... if the edges are too high, you won't be able to get your fingers under the disc.

Also I can't think of a way to put them on a shelf without simply stacking them... not too fancy, I guess.

I was thinking about making DVD-covers for Puggo's transfers, but then I thought of a more appropriate way to store the discs... CD tins (unlike the ones below there are some types that have a hub in the middle to actually hold the disc):

Granted, I don't know anything about 16 mm film, so I have no idea what information is actually on those labels (even Google's image search wasn't too helpful with that). It's just an idea though. Here are the labels at full size (about two inches in diameter when printed at 300dpi):

I've added a link ;)

No official release of the movie so far, I guess.

Also there's already a thread on these forums: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/IMAX-film-Special-Effects/topic/2639/

Do you mean the IMAX film "Special Effects"?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117709/

Here's a clip of the re-done opening of SW:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4146638123404861219

Technically though all the OT stuff that's been changed or re-created for the SE should count as "deleted scenes"... ;-)

Well, ANH's crawl was definitely re-created for the 1997 SE, as before that only the crappy-cheap-video-effects crawl of the THX-version had the "Episode IV" in it.

Empire's 1997 crawl is probably the same as in 1980, as (except from the moved Umlaut in "ZURÜCK") they look identical... funnily enough though, the German HD-broadcast (with the 2004 transfer) uses the uncorrected 1980 crawl.

And I have no idea, why Jedi's crawl of the 2004-HD-broadcasts is just an upscale... did they have an old German 35mm print of Empire, but not for Jedi?

Sadly since the 2004 DVDs all German crawls have been re-created completely, and it especially bothers me that they replaced the "Krieg der Sterne" logos with "Star Wars", so I'd like to at least have all of those in HD alongside the Blu-rays.

I can settle with the 1997 crawl for ANH (since it 1. has a German logo and 2. it's probably impossible to get the original crawl in HD), and I have the 1980 crawl of Empire in HD. Jedi is the only one missing here.

EDIT:
All right, I found a lot of info on Schnittberichte.com (ANH, TESB, ROTJ), and some interesting bits, like different "A long time ago..."-cards.

ANH:

TESB:

ROTJ:

They were all unified in the SEs to this:

It's really strange that the wording was changed for Jedi.

Also the German Jedi-SE seems to at least use the original crawl from 1983, although image geometry is changed and warped a bit (at least on the Schnittbericht-screenshots). Maybe it was recomposed for the SE using the original footage of the German crawl?

Who made the international crawls anyway? Was it ILM themselves?

Does anybody here have the original German crawl from "Rückkehr der Jedi-Ritter" in HD? I don't know if there was ever a German HD-broadcasts of the 1997 version of the film (and the German HD-version that uses the 2004 transfer only has an SD upscale of the crawl in front of it).

Also can anybody here capture and upload the pre-THX German crawls from Empire and Jedi (as the screens earlier in this thread show, the THX-crawls looked awful)? I'd like to know if they're the same as the ones from the 1997 SEs (I know that at least the ANH-crawl was redone for the 1997 release).

I took another look at the HDTV broadcasts of the 2004 transfer, and in some scenes the sharpening made by Lowry doesn't look that good. It worked once scaled down to DVD resolution, but in HD it gives the image too much of a "painted" effect. I hope the new transfers omit this sharpening...

Well, at least I think it's that sharpening Lowry talks about in the Saving Star Wars article (no edge enhancement artifacts, a desription that fits the way the HDTV broadcasts were sharpened).

The German rating site list the same features as above... about 819 minutes, not 927.

What a shame though that both "From Star Wars to Jedi" and "Empire of Dreams" are missing.

Hard to tell... but the in-movie shots don't look like FullHD to me.

I hope you'll offer some more details, like how you scan the film, what kind of clean-up you're gonna perform and stuff like that. Very interesting project! :)

I've got a doc named "Special Edition Hype"... I'm sure I got it through this forum (years ago).

grisan said:

I would appreciate the links as well. Thanks!

Sent.

Thanks mate!

I'd love to check out all three of them as well... can anybody PM me? Thanks!

Harmy said:

And the thing Laserschwert pointed out is actually another smaller ring added in the SE but I tried to remove it and couldn't get it to work well, so I decided to just keep it, it's nowhere near as distracting and out of place as the big one.

Ah, I see... in that case, no worries. :)

Great work nonetheless!

TheBoost said:

Sheesh. Qui-Gon must use some good moisturizer.

Maybe Owen's and Beru's moisture farm is actually a beauty farm that uses mainly moisturizer?

Sorry for the belated (and bad) joke...