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Leonardo said:

Here's where I realized I needed to change the font slightly:

Top one is the one I used, News Gothic, bottom one is the font for the first part of the credits, News Gothic BT.

Would you suggest I change the first part and just use News Gothic for everything? Only in the first section I'd use it bolded.

Oh, I see. But in that case I really would only substitute single letters (in this case the Q) to better match the original (but still use them in bold!). The problem is, back then those credits were done by hand, and the fonts did look different than today's digital equivalents.

You might want to try changing font spacing and vertical scale to better match your VHS, but you should really never use different fonts (and in this case have them stay bold as well).

On the subtitles, that's a fantastic find! I'm glad thxita made it to the screening. I would really assume that all international Greedo subs had that font. I think I'll have to change the German subtitles after all!

Well, I'd still say the font stays the same throughout the credits, only the size changes. (Anything else would be typographically unacceptable ;) )

I'm confused... aren't you trying to match that big PNG of the credits you've posted? The HD credits look completely different... in color, font, size... what happened there? The first part of the credits looks okay, until the credits start to roll. Then suddenly the font is white and not blue anymore, then at 1:10 a different font is used.

chyron8472 said:

And after all that, he can fix the Holiday Special. :D

It's already been done: CLICK

With all the bad stuff being cut out, run time came down considerably though.

Can anybody here provide me with the GERMAN audio of the (German) 1982 laserdisc?

INv8r_ZIM said:

the BEST RotJ poster, and I will brook no argument on that, thank you - pissed no end when they stole it for the ESB:SE poster

If by "they" you mean "Drew Struzan" and by "stole" you mean "re-used his own artwork" and by "ESB:SE" you mean "ROTJ:SE", then you're right.

Are you talking about the 2-CD SE soundtrack releases? As far as I know sound quality on those isn't the best, but it'll probably better than using the compressed EditDroid tracks.

marvins said:

 

Any ideas for more french tracks ?

 

For the German version I've edited the Blu-ray track to match the GOUT... might be an option for you.

And congratulations on your daughter! :)

So there IS a lossless score only track out there? I was only able to provide Harmy with the 192kbps Editdroid track, so this would definitely be an improvement over that.

Thanks to TK-949 I now have the 1993 Laserdisc track as well. I still have to sync it to the video though.

Looking good, but MAN, this is a long one:

Edit: On second notice, the original subtitle isn't much shorter.

Two possible looks for the Greedo subs:

The top one uses font and placement of Harmy's English subtitles, the bottom one of the French VHS version. Funny thing is, once you squash the image to a 4:3 format, the VHS subs are approximately at 100% width again and look much better.

Even back in DVD days (they're over, right?) there were players that had problems playing discs that utilized seamless branching. But we should not forget, seamless branching and alternate angles is not the same thing. Video angles can be used if the running time is identical in all angles (and the multi language crawls on the official SW DVDs used angles), while seamless branching provides in fact alternate "playlists" of parts of a movie so the play time can differ.

Unfortunately angles are still diffcult to pull off.

canofhumdingers said:

I'm pretty sure the Close Encounters bluray has dynamic branching. It's how they have all three cuts of the film on one disc.... It's not three separate complete films...

There are several Blu-rays that have it, but you need really high-end software and knowledge about Blu-ray specs to do that yourself.

It could be a color anomaly... but what if it's not? :D Man, logos and stuff... should be easy!

Harmy said:

I noticed that the shot in the French LD video you posted was pretty badly red-shifted.

Well, in that video the logo is green though ;) And the Fox logo has a green shift instead of a red-shift.

Things get weirder :D So there are two different Lucasfilm title cards for the French ROTJ?

You're right, both the German SW and TESB have the same Lucasfilm and "A long time ago" cards. ROTJ though is a curiosity, as the German Lucasfilm logo does now have the same font as the English one, but is yellow instead of green. Also the "A long time ago" card was changed completely, both in wording and in font (the same as your French version).

Yeah, it's hard to find sources that are 100% correct (and since there were no screenshots made in the theaters back then, you'll never know for sure).

Well, the international crawls were made by ILM (and presumably the title cards as well, hence the same fonts), and the German crawl for Empire (which is definitely the 35mm version, as I have it in HD) has a typo as well. I doubt anybody created new optically composed crawls for any of the home video releases. Thus I'm sure the French crawl is the theatrical one.

I can fix the typo if you want to, but I for my part will preserve the typo in Empire's German crawl.

No, the typo is "Jabba hat einen Preis auf deinen Kopf ausgesetzt"... "deinen" should be capitalized as "Deinen".

"Hierauf" is absolutely correct, as it means "this", while "Darauf" would mean "that". But since Greedo hasn't yet said, WHAT he's looking forward to, "this" is the better choice. At least that's my explanation for it ;)

BTW, I'm working off the German dubbing scripts, so the subtitles are pretty much defined in there. All the "dass" will be replaced with "daß" of course.

BTW, here's a guide to make multi-angle MKVs (kind of):

http://mod16.org/hurfdurf/?p=8

A bit too complicated for me right now ;)

Yeah, it's a bummer that some authoring features are still extremely complicated to pull off (or need very expensive software), for example multiple angles. It would be SO cool to have just one release with all the different language crawls, Greedo subs and credits, depending on what audio track you pick.

Of course I know about all the articles at Schnittberichte.de - but those are hardly the theatrical subtitles, as they were clearly NOT created optically. Those were re-created for the VHS release (and if they weren't made in the 80s, you'd assume they were made with Google translator, as they are terrible, wrong and stupid!).

So no, I'definitely WON'T use those as a template, neither in wording, color, position or anything.

About orthography, yeah, I'll use the old German orthography ("daß" instead of "dass"), which Sat.1 used for their own subtitles as well.

That's an old version (which does NOT look like the English subs)... actually I don't have any image of the German theatrical subtitles, so I made new ones that DO look like the English ones in Harmy's version (one of them still has a typo I'm gonna fix... see if you can spot it ;) ):

In that case I'll choose pink and red/green checkered. Thanks :)

EDIT

@marvins: I've sent you the link to the French intro via PM (Vimeo locked my account). If anyone else wants the video, shoot me a PM.