Laserman

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Post: #258115
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258115/action/topic#258115
Time: 22-Nov-2006 3:47 PM

Originally posted by: Tomland Flash

Originally posted by: Laserman
Well it means is we are trying to restore the shot to its original state, so vasocam will be retained for the archives.

I'm also having a look at what some minimal colour correction can do to minimise the effect and clean it up in an unobtrusive way for my own version.

I expect if an untouched version (exception: DVNR) isn't released there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mini-rant re: pink area under speeder specifically:
I know the story of the shot vasoline etc..., but I have to wonder if people would even care if Lucas had said he intended the area underneath the speeder to blurred.
How do we know the technology (in this fictitious world) wouldn't produce a distorted effect underneath the speeder? Wouldn't it be more likely that there *would* be some kind of visible evidence? Even after I knew how the shot was done it never bothered me for those reasons.

I've thought about that before and if it had a pink glow under it in every shot it would make sense, but it is only there in those few shots and not there in others.

Post: #257978
Topic: Ghosting problem
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257978/action/topic#257978
Time: 21-Nov-2006 5:56 PM

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/

Post: #257977
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257977/action/topic#257977
Time: 21-Nov-2006 5:54 PM

Exact same process but different resolution output, so the problems are the same, but because of the resolution difference the final result varies a little.
We are taking advantage of variances between versions to recover missing information and detail in scenes, but there is no 'great' single version of this shot, but I'm reasonably happy with the results I'm getting so far.

Post: #257760
Topic: Anyone Hi8 Experts
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257760/action/topic#257760
Time: 20-Nov-2006 9:35 PM

DV25 compression is about 5:1 (25Mbps) , so a little under 5 mins per GB or about 13GB per hour of footage. It is a constant bitrate which is why DVDs can take up less space for similar quality (they can use less than 5:1 for relatively static scenes for example)
Remember the colour information is compressed with NTSC DV25 down to 4:1:1 (from 4:4:4 or 4:2:2) so yes DV throws away a lot of information.
Remember even huffyuv uses compression, (although lossless), uncompressed 4:4:4 NTSC video comes in at over 30 Megabytes per second!

There is an (outdated but interesting) comparison of DV vs Hi8 here: http://www.adamwilt.com/DV-Hi8.html

Post: #257758
Topic: Ghosting problem
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257758/action/topic#257758
Time: 20-Nov-2006 9:19 PM

Yes you should get better quality with BNC connectors, they are true 75ohm which RCAs can never be due to the size of the centre pin.

Otherwise the V800 is pretty much identical to the V8000 AFAICT.

You definately want to come in via composite with a good cable, get the Blujeans cable BNC cable made with Belden 1694a it is cheap and the best quality you can get. Then you know that the cable isn't an issu with getting good caps.

Post: #257747
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257747/action/topic#257747
Time: 20-Nov-2006 7:18 PM

Well not really, it is better, no DVNR to content with but is as noisy as hell - it is taking a lot of work to restore it.

Post: #257717
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257717/action/topic#257717
Time: 20-Nov-2006 5:30 PM

Well it means is we are trying to restore the shot to its original state, so vasocam will be retained for the archives.

I'm also having a look at what some minimal colour correction can do to minimise the effect and clean it up in an unobtrusive way for my own version.

Post: #257614
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257614/action/topic#257614
Time: 20-Nov-2006 7:23 AM

Coincidentally I am working on that most wretched of shots right now, (which is why I posted that image in the other thread).

First thing is to reinstate the invisible man, fix the man with disappearing legs and get rid of the motion trails and DVR mess, then I can worry about the landspeeder.

It is a conundrum, do you try to minimise the pink vas-o-cam effect under the speeder or just leave it as is (but fix the rest of the shot to remove the DVNR mess).

As with most things on the project choosing one over the other would upset half of the community....

So at the moment I am thinking both, but it is the toughest scene so far, it is a real mess. (The only reason it didn't make people eject their copy of the GOUT and frisbee it at GL's head is that the camera is in motion the entire shot. So although it is the worst shot in the trilogy it may not be noticed by the casual viewer, but it is a shameful example of the shortcomings of the GOUT)

Post: #257613
Topic: Star Wars HD coming in November! All SIX movies!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257613/action/topic#257613
Time: 20-Nov-2006 7:12 AM

Post your graphedit results and we can see where the problem is.
Having all the apps installed is one thing, having them setup correctly is another, graphedit will tell us if that is the case.

From memory it didn't playback full speed on a PentiumD 3.0GHz, so you may be out of luck with the 3.2 but it might just make it over the line.

Post: #257604
Topic: Ghosting problem
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257604/action/topic#257604
Time: 20-Nov-2006 4:57 AM

I never got a chance try the 1010, but looking at the circuit diagram the video goes through a fairly tortuous path.
If they got the electronics right then it should fare quite well, but going on other players with similar paths, I would guess that the image will lack detail because of the processing, but that is pure speculation.
Someone will have to try one out.

Post: #257603
Topic: Star Wars HD coming in November! All SIX movies!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257603/action/topic#257603
Time: 20-Nov-2006 4:42 AM

Originally posted by: adywan

Originally posted by: cbaka
just one question guys, how do u read this stuff on your PC ? iv' try , VLC, Nero showtime, MPC, it's impossible to play , it freeze, or there's no sound, or it play in slowmotion

, need some help.THANKS.

Yeh, I'm having problems playing ANH. I have all the codecs required and my machine is a 3.4ghz Pentium 4 so it should be more than capable of playing this. I really wanted to see these in HD too. Luckily SKYHD will be transmitting the entire saga back to back and in order on New Years day from 6am in Hi-Def so i'll just have to wait til then

A 3.4GHz P4 probably is not fast enough to play this particular encode back, ( A Core 2 Duo is recommended) unless your graphics card can assist - but you can give it your best shot by:
1. Download the Haali Media Splitter
2. Get CoreAVCPro
3. Download ZoomplayerPro or Media Player Classic
4. Download GraphEdit
5. Download FRAPS
6. Download RADLight Filter Manager

Using COREAVC PRO with Zoomplayer Pro or MPC is probably the fastest combination of software for this type of playback. Try disabling deblocking in the codec if it still does not playback smoothly. It would also be a good idea to defrag the file if possible, you want a lowend PC like that to have as smooth a ride as possible.
Use FRAPS and let us know what framerates you are getting.

If it is no faster then some investigation work is required - use GraphEdit and check that ffdshow isn't getting in the way and that you are actually using coreavc.
You can use Radlight to deregister unwanted filters and to give Coreavc and Haali the highest merit so they get used by default. (Graphedit will help you see what is going on)
If using Media Player classic you can right click on the video when it is playing to see what filters it is using.

Still with the 3.4GHz single core machine, I'll be surprised if it plays back smoothly with really high bitrate h264 material - it *might* with deinterlacing and deblocking turned off.
Coreavc should be faster than the GPU assisted renderers with the possible exception of the new NVidia 8800.

Post: #257404
Topic: Scratched Metropolis DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257404/action/topic#257404
Time: 18-Nov-2006 5:34 PM

How on earth can you get a scratch on the actual data layer? It is sandwiched between the two outer layers. If it is a normal scratch you can take it to a DVD rental store that has a disc resurfacing machine and they will usually put your disc through it for a nominal fee.

Post: #257168
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257168/action/topic#257168
Time: 16-Nov-2006 7:53 PM

Yup just return it directly to seagate yourself, they are very good with returns.
Just go here
http://support.seagate.com/customer/warranty_validation.jsp

or start here if you aren't sure of the model etc.

http://www.seagate.com/support/service/index.html

They will usually get you a new drive within a couple of weeks - well worth it.

If it says seagate on the external box then they should honor it (it could be a maxtor in which case they will also replace it)

What brand drive was on the inside of the thing?
If it is not a seagate then inform seagate that PC world are selling counterfeit product, I'd also write to the UK computer magazines and tell them what happened, they love stories like this and quite often get something to happen...

Post: #256982
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256982/action/topic#256982
Time: 15-Nov-2006 5:52 PM

Get the two drives, that way you can get one *now* and get back working on the edit

70 Quid shipped seems to be the going rate for a 320GB, so it is only 20 dollarpounds difference between the two solutions, I can spot you that.

Also, with your dead external drive, if it is a Seagate contact them directly and they will absolutely replace it.
If you don't know what brand it is open it up and it will probably be a seagate or Western Digital drive inside, and you can contact Seagate or WD directly to get the drive replaced under their warranty, you can do it right on the seagate website - you just pay postage.

Post: #256975
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256975/action/topic#256975
Time: 15-Nov-2006 5:17 PM

We have him chained to a computer in the X0 Dungeon.

Post: #256810
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256810/action/topic#256810
Time: 14-Nov-2006 10:18 PM

I was going to post a midsized drive, but seeing that this is rolling then I'll put the post money into your fundage instead so you can get the size you need!
I dunno about the UK but 320GB drives are the sweetspot here, much cheaper to get a pair of those rather than a single 500, plus you can stripe them and get decent transfer rates.

Post: #256567
Topic: Paint Wars: A New Hope
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256567/action/topic#256567
Time: 13-Nov-2006 2:02 PM

Ahh but you are missing the point, png is like .zip there is absolutely not one pixel different between a .png and a .bmp. You are not gaining anything (except a full hard drive) by sticking with .bmp.

Storing in bmp is like storing balloons by inflating them all first.

Post: #256339
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256339/action/topic#256339
Time: 11-Nov-2006 4:01 PM

Which scene exactly, post a grab or a timecode reference from the X0 TC release and I'll se if we have done that scene and will post a pic if we have.

Post: #256164
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256164/action/topic#256164
Time: 10-Nov-2006 5:16 PM

Originally posted by: Dunedain
Well, I don't really expect the HD version of Star Wars on Cinemax to have a bit-rate equal to what you would get on a dual-layer Blu-Ray version from Lucasfilm. =) But on the other hand, this may be the only chance to get the Star Wars movies in HD, in 1080i no less (which I think according to Laserman can be easily and flawlessly converted to true 1080p?), before they change even more things in the 30th anniversary set. When they do release the Star Wars trilogy and prequels on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD eventually, they may not give us the choice to watch them without the 30th anniversary changes, just like Lucas has been trying to foist the SE and even-more-SE 2004 changes on us ever since.

And you never know, since this is a one-time big event, Star Wars in HD for the first time on t.v. in the U.S., maybe Cinemax will go all out on the video bit-rate. =)

All of which is true, but maybe we should start a different thread for it.

Post: #256051
Topic: Star Wars HD coming in November! All SIX movies!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256051/action/topic#256051
Time: 10-Nov-2006 12:38 AM

Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc

Originally posted by: Dunedain
It was posted on the site with the screencaps that the Cinemax broadcast might be in 1080, if that's the case and they use good bit-rates, then I figured it might go past 15 gig, in which case you either have to use a dual-layer HD-DVD disk or a single-layer Blu-Ray disk to have it on a disk you can play in a HD player. And full quality in this context obviously means the full quality that they broadcast the Star Wars movies at in HD on Cinemax, whatever that level of quality turns out to be. It depends on the res they use and the bit-rate, that won't be known for sure until they actually broadcast it, I guess. Anyhow, that fan on the other site seemingly had no problem recording the German broadcast of the HD version of A New Hope off his t.v., so apparently that wasn't encrypted. Hopefully it can be done here, too, in one way or another.

As someone who downloads HD movies all the time, you wouldn't need more than 15gb.

And what channel was it shown in Germany? They don't have the same encryption that we have.

I'd rather stick with my SD-DVD's than watch something with PAL speed-up. Luckily, the HD formats do away with it.

Well, I can't watch any film material at 60Hz the judder drives me nuts far more than the PAL speedup.
For any NTSC HD material it's best to IVTC on the fly it and watch it at 71.928Hz synched, that way you get no speedup and no annoying judder, best of both worlds.

I don't know that the HD formats do away with PAL speedup or NTSC judder, the first HD-DVD players all are locked at 60Hz for North America which makes them j-u-d-d-e-r city, I haven't seen the specs on the European models yet to see if they are also 60Hz or 50Hz, but I don know some european HDTV sets are 50Hz as are the HD broadcasts...
It would have been a perfect opportunity to do away with both NTSC and PAL and move to 1080P at 72Hz worldwide, but of course they didn't. *sigh*

Post: #255990
Topic: STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255990/action/topic#255990
Time: 9-Nov-2006 5:27 PM

You would think that they would have their new toy surrounded by a fleet , but then where is the fleet when the rebels attack? If that sort of fleet was available then the rebels would have been toasted.
I think it then makes the finale seem less believable if you show that sort of firepower in ANH.

I don't think there is even a need for the planet at all, it looks very very cool but I liked the idea that the DS was off in deep space hidden from the eyes of the world(s).
Also those conversations feel more real to me if they are taking place out in deep space rather than while kicking around in orbit - don't know why but they do.

Post: #255781
Topic: Good capture card?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255781/action/topic#255781
Time: 9-Nov-2006 1:35 AM

No there isn't, only the Hidef analogue cards are coming out in PCIe - there isn't any need for it on an SD/Analogue card.

Post: #255631
Topic: Paint Wars: A New Hope
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255631/action/topic#255631
Time: 8-Nov-2006 4:15 PM

I have never used flash before but I noticed I had it as a 30 day trial on a coverdisc so I installed it last night and after about an hour worked out what to do and synched up the audio and the pictures and....... unfortunately it isn't going to work with the straight audio from the movie.
It is cool with the audio, but the pace is far too slow with just stills so it will require a special edit of the audio or something like the LP or similar to speed things up a bit.

Post: #255524
Topic: Star Wars: Classic Edition 2.0 NEW from Ocpmovie (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255524/action/topic#255524
Time: 8-Nov-2006 5:54 AM

Looks great!

Can you post a couple more pics? Especially the opening shot of the 'Look Sir Droids' scene you have shown here - just before the camera starts to pan, and this shot on Mos Eisley, one of the worst shots on the GOUT.

I'm keen to see what you did with these, they gave me a lot of headaches when working with them.

Post: #255474
Topic: Star Wars HD coming in November! All SIX movies!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/255474/action/topic#255474
Time: 7-Nov-2006 11:04 PM

They do it because even Dual core Conroes have trouble keeping up with the demands of playback of H264 material at those bitrates.
Re-encoding to MPEG2 means that a 3.2GHz machine can keep up, but you lose quality in the re-encode.

And no, there would be no point watching them on a standard TV, but even on a small computer monitor it is worth a look to see the detail.