I think the only thing more confusing to me than putting TLJ last are people who like the sequels and put TLJ as the worst of the three. You’re the former of these two confusing cases, but I am curious, have you rewatched it since it came out?
That’s pretty exciting! Thanks for sharing this.
Although my first thought was about how, if I recall correctly, the script really butchers Poe and tries to sell ReyxPoe with the standard Trevorrow ‘serious “uptight” girl x immature “goofball” guy’ dynamic which is the only kind of romance he seems to know how to write. I’m biased, as I prefer Reylo (though perhaps without an actual romance?). So, annoyingly, I don’t think the script is an absolute improvement over what we got. And anyway, in a way it’s odd to adapt the entirety of such a flawed first draft, but sticking to it does make it more “official” I guess.
I wish, even just to preserve a “definitely could-have-been” ala Splinter of the Mind’s Eye, it could get released in an actually official capacity.
Okay, here’s my mix of the fleet dialogue chatter
I don’t have much to add beside that I like this one!
Here’s a new version of the ending. Based on some feedback, I tried to find an effective new arrangement of the Tatooine/Broom Boy clips. I found a moment I thought was interesting. Let me know what you guys think!
Holy shit that made me actually feel things
Because of course they cut that. this movie …
I’m kind of disappointed in nobody here picking up the Ajan Kloss = Naboo torch. To me, it’d be an excellent way for the series to go “full circle.”
I don’t know, it seems from the supplementary material that the FO is straight up burning down places that have shown to have any ties whatsoever to the resistance and also Leia is changing bases like socks, even more often than the rebellion. Moreover, the bases seem to be almost exclusively on planets without civilised governments. Naboo is the sort of world that they would be found on immediately. Of course, you could ignore that and imply a different power dynamic, where the war is less one-sided
I like this but I think somehow making Snoke make sense for this IX would be far better than reusing the emperor, maybe imply that snoke is the emperor somehow?
Film The Rise of Kylo Ren comic and insert it into TFA and TLJ’s forcevisons and flashbacks.
end sarcasm But really though, it is beyond mind boggling that the story of Ben’s fall and the creation of his alternate persona was told exclusively in a comic. Just as bad as having Palpatine’s announcement of revenge in “fortnite”
Right! What a great comic, too
Darth Sadifous said:
Last version of Jedi force ghost…
problem: new shots, out of sync music
Bravo! This is the closest thing we are going to get to a special edition of the sequels. Lucasfilms wishes they could have delivered something this epic for the ending. Can’t wait to see this integrated into the final film with Leia’s purple lightsaber.
This got me thinking, is someone working on exactly this - not a fanfix, but just the actual movie amplified with small changes such as these? Other changes would include the sort of shot extension that Dom has been working on to slow the pace by a few seconds, ending shot with the falcon flying off into the sunset, D-O extended squeaky wheel scene,… but no actual deletions of scenes/lines, however disagreeable they are
Would be even better if she said “Just Rey” 😉
You know, this bit, I’m assuming, is from the end credits of TFA or possibly TLJ, and when I read you would be replacing the music, this specific bit is exactly what I had in mind, and you’ve shown it to fit brilliantly, well done!
Hal had great points about the hillarious implications of Rey killing her parents. I guess it’s just such a core piece of the plot, perhaps a more conservative approach is apt after all for now, though it is unfortunate
So upon further thought, having Rey as the killer makes the most sense to me now, as you can still have her parents having “sold her for drinking money” as well as “dead in the jakku desert”, but what happened was she was upset about it and she killed them and didn’t remember it until this movie?
I am probably in the minority and this may not be doable with the source material, but to me, in the first two movies Rey is a character with a “default” star wars background character… background. Parents either poor as shit, or dead for trivial reasons (disease/gang violence/whatever), or abandoned/sold her (or… all of the above). Such is the star wars world (except on more sophisticated worlds like naboo or alderaan where you might have more “normal” parents). And her specialness comes not from her origin, but from… the force awakening inside her for some reason and her having a good heart or whatever.
As such, a “reveal” post-TLJ about her actual origin - any reveal - diminishes that in my view. If her background is in some way special, and Kylo Ren or whoever reveals that to her, that gives her character motivation basically for free.
If she is a Palpatine, she has an innate reason to fight against her legacy, to basically cleanse her name in some way, so as to show herself not to be what her ancestry would suggest her to be (although that is also undermined by her parents being good and loving already). If Palpatine killed her parents it becomes a simple revenge story, in the end she takes her revenge against him and all is good (even though apparently that’s what he wants anyway at the start, but at some point that just changes…? and he wants her dead?). If she herself killed her parents it’s again sort of a self-redemption story and she has newfound purpose with the reveal. If the reveal is that there is no reveal - no “free” character motivation - then she has to find her place in the story herself and has to wrestle her inner demons that she has anyway - dark origin or not.
Yes, I got that too!! I think there was a variation of Yoda’s theme, which, played slowly on synths, sounds remarkably like the the main Blade Runner theme. Liked the score a lot in this episode, very unlike anything Star Wars, as you say
Yes, I would actually say that, in answer to your title question, you are wrong.
Star Wars has shoe-horned & ham-fisted every sci-fi trope into some story, somewhere, sometime.
Now this may be true, but scifi, as I consider it, is much more about themes - particularly those pretty well summarised in the wikipedia article. And while even some of that may on occasion have become tropey, the best scifi has lots of thematic substance, I feel. I consider Star Trek TNG to be a near-perfect representation of the type of mix of:
discussing current political/religious/cultural affairs via a “future” setting,
discussing human emotions,
discussing AI, augmented reality, etc. (“scifi” topics) in a culturally relevant, often moralistic sense,
and some other things that I love scifi for.
Star Wars has politics, sure, but mostly it is not scifi at all, but space fantasy. I mean really, is it closer to Blade Runner or to Flash Gordon? I think the answer is clear.
Oo that works quite well, although I’m not sure the Grievous walking to the window shot needs to be cut, and how about splitting it between the lightsaber retracting shot and the R2 hologram shot instead of earlier? I tried it and it seems quite fine
Ben & Rey - The Power of One (11:47) by tstudios
I feel this edit does a good job of tying together the arc of these two characters across the three movies in a coherent way, especially with how it recontextualises certain dialogue. It also entirely omits Rey Palpatine, demonstrating how unnecessary that retcon was to creating a compelling story.
Fantastic reylo video, for all those reasons 😃
Might there be any way at all to indicate passage of time with some additional shot inbetween?
Rey v. TIE
God I love that. I’m also all for DotF, it’s worth considering different mixes, but I think even the one in TPM can do quite nicely
- Has someone thought of rescoring Yoda’s theme out of the victory celebration? While I love John Williams’ score this was the one cue that really confused me.
That’s a good idea, if I remember correctly, it also had a weird use of Luke and Leia’s theme
The final line of the film […]
That’s a really good take on reimplementing that, wow. Although, this being an expanded edition, I wanna say it would be more appropriate to cut as little as possible, thus trying to get the latter order if it can work out. Plus Grievous’ initial introduction moment I think is better as is, it’s much more of an “introduction” shot, complete with his theme
Kind of a weird, possibly pointless note considering what you’ve set out as your goals, but considering you’re changing the lore anyway, I think leaving Kylo’s ultimate fate ambiguous, i.e. cutting away before he dies is kinda a good idea (thus avoiding repetitive “redeemed bad guy dies instantly after doing good thing” trope, and also not requiring fx to add him to Tatooine or anything like that). And a question: are you planning to keep the way Rey defeats Palpatine the same as in the movie: by blocking force lightning with 2 lightsabers? (it’s super dumb)
Thoughts, anyone? I understand it may be out of this edit’s scope, but on the other hand to me these elements are nearly as ew as rey palpatine and “Rey Skywalker”, speaking of which, is that final line staying? Changing that goes together with preserving “Rey the nobody”, does it not?
This video basically sums up my reactions to that.
Yep, fantastic video, he also points out that Rian Johnson, love him or hate him, has never publicly spoken a single bad word about JJ’s movies, making this even sadder.
Wow, your work on this is amazing. I especially love that the Anakin/Palpatine scene can be complete.
Here’s my opening, showing my new crawl and my version of an idea that’s been tossed around here a bit (using the TLJ deleted star destroyer bridge shots):
Oh god, the crawl alone is making me think maybe this movie is salvageable. Love seeing an edit in progress which focuses purely on keeping “Rey is nobody” as well.
Anthony Daniels talking about every 3PO costume