Wow! The only thing that didn’t quite work for me was Leia’s final “Ben” along with the dramatic shot of her dying. Also, god, the little Reylo part in me sure does want someone with greater skills and commitment than myself to commit to a “Ben lives”, but hey, best of luck to you regardless of where this ends up! Definitely one of the edits to keep an eye on
I believe octoroxx’s edit has what you’re looking for (but it does include the Qui-gon dialogue). I don’t remember how good the image quality was or where to find it, but that’s the one I thought was quite nicely done some time ago!
Honestly my head canon after TLJ was that Luke didn’t really “die” from Force projecting himself, but confronting his greatest failure (Kylo Ren) and forgiving himself caused Luke to achieve enlightenment, and he just became one with the Force as the next step of his ascension.
And that’s sort of how it plays anyway imo
There’s one audio hiccup I noticed right after Rey escapes on Starkiller when Kylo senses Han, I think he says “escape” and the end seems clipped off. Not sure of the exact time stamp but worth looking.
pretty sure that moment is unaltered from the movie
Only watched the first three so far, anthologies are exhausting lol.
The first one!! Man oh man… the artistry and creative license aside (and I live for that s##t), the themes of it felt very very ep IX DOTF to me, and in general very much like the catharsis the sequels never canonically got but needed. I feel even more vindicated now for liking that script, ymmv 😄
Hope to find more golden nuggets among the rest of the shorts!
The f-up was that it was used in place of developing themes and characters from TLJ. Here’s hoping they try to remedy that somehow. I wonder if anyone on here knows anything about any of the new writers’/director’s prior work?
TFA is pretty dry and the author takes some liberties in some of the characterisation, some good, some whatever (Finn is too verbose, and Kylo is a bit different, for instance). And there are some extra scenes.
TLJ is wonderful. Deleted scenes (including Luke and Rey sharing a dance), extra scenes that weren’t even filmed but expand on the characters,. Lively style (there’s an xwing battle sequence where BB-8 is the pov character). Explains many things about the state of the galaxy and connects to new canon as well… The movie really lends itself to the kind of inner monologue and character expansion thing that the novelization format offers, and that’s a part if it as well. It’s great, not in the same way as RotS, but still solid.
TROS is not really much better than the film. The author expands on some stuff, adds some scenes, rearranges some stuff, and it’s obvious that the Story Group participated in the novelization, unlike in the film. So while that makes some of the meh parts somewhat good, it also f–ks and muddles other things and obviously reading a bad part of the story is longer than watching it, so that’s why I say it’s overall not much better (“kiss of gratitude”, Luke constantly telling Leia to go finally die,…). But there are nice things in there.
- Removed the lesbian kiss.
The things that make this whole project concerning to me are:
The overuse of the deepfake tech; it’s really not as exciting to me as it is for a lot of folks out there. It’s actually downright creepy. Like, this tech really is a godsend for fanedits, but to fill a major role in a movie??? The reason we like these characters in the first place is because real actors acted real human emotions. Just recast if you need to have Luke or whoever in a major role… It was dystopian in RO, Mando S2 and BOBF, it will be that much more so if CG Luke is a main character in this. Even if he’s a cameo, actually.
Thrawn. The other reason we like these characters, and the entire reason anybody is excited to see the blue guy is Zahn’s writing. The way he was written, and, in fact, how perfectly Zahn’s mystery-detective-plans-within-plans writing style lends itself to this type of character, is the reason I and others gasped at the name drop in that Mando S2 episode, it’s the reason live action Pellaeon made some people (ok maybe also me…) giddy. But save for cheap nostalgia of better times past, none of this matters and none of this will stick, unless he is written with those same sensibilities. (I know Zahn is “consulting” Filoni for this project, and I hope that’s enough…)
I had nothing to anticipate, no character’s return (except maybe the moon mother), no cool new lightsabers or anything, in the run-up for Andor. And yet it’s the best show to come out of this franchise precisely because of smart writing and good direction, in every single scene, every single character. The Mandoverse is not the same, but at least Filoni has Lucas’ mythological trope sensibilities, which makes it worth watching despite the cookie cutter dialogue and action (okay, the action is sometimes pretty dope too). This will not translate for Thrawn, but I am still looking forward to this and Thrawn’s return and so on, I very much hope they stick it. I felt these concerns are worth noting down here, and I hope to eat my words when this releases
also, I agree with what has been said above about a large part of the vicious sequel hate being a culture war thing… there is no question about it. What I have suspected, but have no evidence for, and thus hope that it is not true, is that this very culture war aspect has been egged on to some extent by D/LF, maybe as a safeguard against valid critiques. But regardless, there is a fair share of hate that has spread over to this community as well, and it’s regrettable.
The Rey story is compartmentalized enough for these people to just ignore it and any news about it if they don’t vibe with it in the slightest, and I wish that were their judgement as well.
I think if D/LF didn’t see market potential for a continuation, they absolutely would not be doing it. And even if all three movies were loved by critics, but had flopped in the box office, they would not be doing it (maybe they’d commission a few books or comics instead). That is the way of corporate strategy. So this is a good sign. They see that this trilogy has fans who will show up, even if many of those fans were burned by TROS.
With all that said, I am concerned, as I am one of those people who hated that Ben died at the end. It’s a tragedy without catharsis. There were many death-fakeouts in the film, but this one I surely wouldn’t mind being somehow undone lol (beyond this forum and reddit, you’ll find many people who agree, actually) You set up this whole dyad thing, two that are one, “come home, Ben”, and then just kill him. So I’m concerned that they will just ignore him in this new story. If it’s an excellent story otherwise, perhaps that can be acceptable (a la TLJ after the reset that was TFA, but that’s not entirely analogous). The second thing I hated was Rey Palpatine, but they might well ignore that, for the better.
We shall see, for now I’m just glad that it looks like the story no longer ends with a big lump of nothing. The years of sequel draught will be over, finally.
I’m not up to date on Rebels, could the bearded lightsaber guy be… Cbaoth?? Or do we already know him from new canon
What some see as “barely anything” happening, others may see as Bo and Din going through mythological character journeys along their way to reuniting and restoring Mandalore both literally and spiritually, and rediscovering what that means… (it is a bit slow though, but, well, it’s also not like they have to resolve a dozen threads by the end anyway)
So, all this stuff that people have said prepared me for an awful waste of time, but I actually enjoyed this one a lot!
This season has been hit and miss, the development is generally slow as shit, and Star Wars is too memberberry saturated, I agree, but this week’s corny, questionably acted story was… fun? They got to solve a fun little mystery, some universe building was universe builded, and the “reunite mandalore” plot was advanced in an organic way.
Reminded me of the cartoon Filoni shows, except I couldn’t sit through those usually. I guess maybe I’m just happy with this because in the other new show I’m watching (Picard… but probably not watching anymore) everyone is miserable, grieving, crying, dying, and living in a dystopian nightmare world (that series is supposed to take place in a utopian future btw)
Superweapon VII said:
Funny story, I once had a whole video essay scripted with precisely this premise (slightly less extreme conclusions, but yea) - it’s a neat thing to think about, pretty cool!
To contribute to the headcanon thread, I’m currently in a phase where I’m sort of whatever on the whole star wars thing,
I still think the movie trilogies are the most important, and, basically, that each of the three stand separately and possibly benefit from some “supplementary material” which strengthens their stories.
For the OT, it’s pretty much fine as it is, I prefer something like the semi-specialized or 4Kxx. For the PT (HDTV DVD versions), I think it benefits from the 03-04 Clone Wars and possibly the new canon 4-issue Obi-Wan and Anakin comic.
For the ST, it kinda needs the most supplementary material unfortunately (I think chiefly due to a less than adequate setup and a downright inadequate conclusion), so there’s the Rise of Kylo Ren 4-issue comic, I also remember kinda liking the Bloodline novel, Resistance Reborn and the Before the Awakening short stories, and some of the other comic one-offs are pretty good (although most of all this literature stuff is just that - a supplement that provides a little more context), and also since this continuity doesn’t have the Heir to the Empire trilogy, I think Aftermath does okay.
Movies-wise, I like TFA as-is, then ebumms’ extended TLJ and ideally I’d like to bin TROS, but if it has to stay, for me, some minor storylines and concepts from DOTF I consider canon and also a post-TROS fanfic (yes, yes, but it fits quite faithfully I think) called The Final Steps is essential (unless the author botches the ending, lol, it’s still a WIP).
Oh and something I never mentioned, Andor - that series, more than being a supplement, for me is canon all the way.
There were also some legends stories I’ve enjoyed but this is the point at which I’m not really concerned with did it happen or no, I just enjoy the stories (honorary mention to DOTJ comics)
We can only hope for more stories LFL doesn’t care about being allowed to be told 😉
The Falcon is always falling apart. I think you can safely assume work was done on the ship during the three years after Battle of Yavin. Among them, Replacing the lights in the corridor, re-aligning trim light in the cockpit, and the addition of new bunk.
Agreed, and yet Ady recolored the ones in Empire to green to match ANH and TFA
I don’t remember which animated show it was, but I remember him calling some other Darth “Darth” as well
This is not in any way my work, just sharing this here for anyone possibly interested. I am not the biggest fan of fan fiction, however I am liking this ongoing project which started off in comic form (linked below) and is being continued in novel form. So far, I find it justifies some of the choices made in TROS which I had trouble accepting.
The premise is this: It is several weeks after TROS. The galaxy is trying to reestablish diplomatic relations and peace. Rey is on a soul-searching quest on Tatooine, and is struggling to find purpose and to grieve over the loss of the second half of her force dyad, Ben. She has not felt him pass on into the force, and finds that he instead is in some sort of force limbo/purgatory (for which the author borrows a concept from Rebels).
Finn, Jannah, Lando and Chewie set off on a mission to find the long-lost parents of the First Order stormtroopers who were kidnapped when they were children and Finn begins awakening more of his force abilities.
Poe and Zorii go off on their own adventure which takes a left turn.
Watched it and somehow the different sequence of scenes throughout the first half (?) really made a lot of sense, in a slightly unfamiliar way! Enjoyed this one a lot! now to find a episope 2 edit that salvages the experience…
How far away from camp is Rey training that it’s sunny there and raining for Leia 🤕 (this works great otherwise!)
Bobson Dugnutt said:
ADDITIONS (so far)
Extended Han/Leia kiss? 😉
I mean come on…
Admiral Ackbar said:
You can see here, the Obi-Wan plotline orbiting the Rebels extended universe
To none of my surprise, this is not going to be a show about a desert-dwelling Obi-Wan. I’ll check it out, but if Ben has a cute droid sidekick that he talks to, I’m turning it off.
TFA has the coda where Rey leaves the main plot to find her hope, and TLJ would have the coda where Kylo Ren leaves the main plot to pursue a new power.
And TROS has both of them riding off into the sunset!
Oh wait no that’s not it 😦