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#1434285
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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axlanian said:

The graffiti messages should be in Aurebesh, right?

Yeah. Maybe the hypothetical “Skywalker Lives” text could come accompanied of the jacked Luke from the original SW poster to drive the point home.

The Rebel crest could also be thrown in (to allude to the Resistance already having allies across the galaxy), and we could draw inspiration from the official Star Wars propaganda artbook.

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#1434070
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The Clone Wars: Refocused [COMPLETE] + Subtitles for season one!
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EddieDean said:

I made no changes to this arc beyond aggregation and the removal of Sugi. Sugi in this episode only has a single line and is seen in five shots, she’s the bounty hunter hired as a taxi service for the wookiees. Since she appears in my later s03e07 ‘The Shadow Collective’, I cut her from this mainly so we don’t see her in two very different jobs in such a short space of time.

I don’t see why this should be a problem. After all she’s a bounty hunter, they are not supposed to have long-term allegiances other than the highest bidder.

Otherwise I’m really excited for your recent developments and I agree the shifting forward of the episodes you mentioned does favor the storyline on paper. I’m looking forward to watch your Death of Kenobi cut when I have time (is it too much to ask for an extended edition including ‘The Box’? 😄)

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#1434035
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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So how is the dagger thing currently intended to be portrayed in V2? I know this has been discussed to death but I get easily lost amidst the comments and different points of view 😄

As far as I understand, the idea is redub C-3PO’s translation so he doesn’t name-drop Endor, thus making it necessary for the protagonists to retrieve the dagger aboard the Steadfast. Then the dagger guides Rey on Endor through the dark side, as implied in V1. Am I right?

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#1434033
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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I actually like the Sith Trooper design, and precisely because of the similarity to the Phase II clone trooper helmet. Sadly they have such brief appearances (I believe there’s only two foreground shots of them in the entire movie) that they stand out more as a marketing gimmick (compared to, lets say…the death and shore troopers from Rogue One).

My design problem is mostly with the technicians, fighters and the Sith star destroyers (it’s clear they reused the CG model from Rogue One, despite it being the older iteration of ISDs in-universe).

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#1433364
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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NeverarGreat said:

I figured that it could as easily be Kylo’s shuttle, since they have similar color and wing configurations.

Yeah I chose to pretend that as well. Kylo’s Upsilon-class shuttle is very similar to Krennic’s when on the ground. Plus at least it means we get to see something of Kylo’s shuttle, which for some reason was absent from the theatrical TROS.

The Mustafar shot is amazing, by the way. It amazes me how timely the release of the Biomes special was.

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#1433026
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<strong>The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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jedi_bendu said:
When I heard the line “you pull a job for me, I get the information you want” I immediately thought this was gonna be a Mandalorian-style sidequest episode, and I felt fed up with the Mando similarities. In the end though, it didn’t bother me at all. I really enjoyed the episode, its sense of fun and its unexpected turns, and I think stuff like the plot with Crosshair and the regular building-up of something involving Wrecker’s inhibitor chip will stop The Bad Batch from feeling like a formulaic series.

I didn’t really have a problem with the sidequest style plot since one of the premises of the show in the first place was the Bad Batch turning to mercenary work to make a living, if I recall correctly.

However I’m still intrigued by Wrecker’s state. I’ve never felt more anxious about headaches in a show.

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#1432784
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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I really like this scream effect being used, partly because it’s yet another call-back to the PT. Also it has been used in previous Star Wars media with a different thematic meaning to the original moment (namely Savage’s death in TCW, also Palpatine’s interaction with Ezra in Rebels) so I don’t think it robs the scene of its intended mood.

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#1432467
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Star Wars Headcanons
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Anakin Starkiller said:

Mandos are usually blonde so that makes sense.

It appears the ethnicity of Mandos depends on their place of origin. Those coming from Mandalore itself look almost universally Caucasian with mostly blonde hair with a few redheads and brunettes. However Sabine and her relatives from clan Wren look ambiguously East Asian.

Omni said:

^ Jocasta actually has a canon appearance almost immediately after ROTS in Vader’s second comic book run, IIRC.

This is what inspired my headcanon in the first place. Jocasta is shown to be searching for ways to preserve the legacy of the Jedi Order and protect Force-sensitive infants.

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#1432148
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What's your take on Emperor Palpatine being brought back for The Rise of Skywalker?
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I consider myself a prequel fan, and I’ve never felt able to defend the infamous sand line. It’s just an awkward piece of dialogue, made worse by Lucas’s directing of the actors (which, granted, it was never his biggest strength).

TestingOutTheTest said:

It what? Say it! Are you the king? ARE YOU THE KING?! You’re what? Say it!

Lol I never noticed I didn’t finish my point 😄 I meant to say I’d prefered if TROS had devoted more time to build on what was set by its two immediate predecessors rather than introducing and solving a completely new aspect to the story in a rather short time span. Again, I believe Palpatine being brought back could have worked well in another context (in fact I wish it had been the driving force from the beginning, rather than having a literal stand-in in the form of Snoke), but here it feels rushed making for a payoff that for many seems less satisfying that it should have been.

Snoke mind-probing Rey has Palpatine’s theme playing. Palpatine has a desire for immortality in RotS, and implies he DOES know how to keep himself alive during the opera scene. Kylo Ren asks for Vader’s helmet to show him that power AGAIN. Snoke is very similar to Palpatine and even repeats his lines in TLJ. Even Snoke’s guards have the same color scheme as Palps’ guards.

I’ll grant you that Snoke having Palpatine’s theme feels now better in retrospective (instead of being just an unsubtle remainder of ‘remember! he’s our Emperor stand-in’). But the rest were just similarities to drive home the parallelisms with the OT (almost everything in the ST, from the ships to the armors, is a reimagining or visual callback to familiar elements of the OT). Since Snoke plays the part of Palpatine (at least until he’s killed off), it was expected TLJ would feature familiar OT iconography in the form of red guards and even its own version of the ROTJ creepy advisers.

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#1431931
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What's your take on Emperor Palpatine being brought back for The Rise of Skywalker?
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TestingOutTheTest said:

Way for that point to go over your head. I’m saying that set-up doesn’t matter. AT ALL. The lack of a set-up makes the actual reveal more surprising and impactful (+ Palpatine being established as a mastermind and having an interest in immortality and willing to do whatever it takes to take over the galaxy). Palps’ return is SUPPOSED to be a surprise.

Set-up matters depending on context. Would Avengers: Infinity Work have worked so well if the Infinity Stones or Thanos hadn’t been established in prior movies?

TROS was meant to be a climax for both the sequel trilogy and the overall Skywalker saga. It has over 40 years of established lore and audience appeal behind it. It should have been a satisfying payoff for the storylines set in motion by TFA and TLJ, but instead it

SparkySywer has a really good point on how the Darth Vader twist works because in retrospective it makes sense. When you rewatch ESB one begins to notice the nuances and clues that originally flew over one’s head. But in the sequel trilogy, looking back at TFA and TLJ, you don’t find many elements that tease or contextualise Palpatine’s return. Their storylines, particularly TLJ’s, don’t seem to be building towards this particular premise. A very diferent situation would have happened if TLJ or both TFA/TLJ had been made with Palps’s comeback in mind.

I perfectly understood as to what was going on. You just didn’t pay attention to the movie.

No need to speak for me. I’m an avid fan, who has rewatched the movies dozens of times, and of course keeping up with the story was not a big issue for me, after all the script is not very nuanced. I never said the first series of scenes were incomprehensible or that they didn’t have relevance to the plot. But the movie has pacing issues. I can follow the story and its details yet at the same time feel overwhelmed as a viewer because way too much is happening in a short span of runtime.

Even if each scene fulfills its objective it leaves a sensation of being really short; before the audience can let the mood sink in, the movie frantically cuts to another sequence, contributing to it feeling overstuffed (of course, it being the last film, there are a lot of dangling threads to resolve, but they easily could have added an extra 20 minutes to devote enough time to all of them). Again, comparing it to TFA and TLJ. We don’t get a long, extended sequence at the beginning like the First Order’s assault on Jakku. Even the space battle over D’Qar, being an action prologue, has a well-developed setting and stakes, and sets the mood for the rest of the film. Instead the first scene of TROS lasts less than a minute (somewhere around ten if you consider the Mustafar and Exegol scenees a single sequence). And then in the span of the following 15 minutes we have another two action moments.

I do believe, though, that the second half of TROS does improve in regards to pacing.

I’ll concede to you that the transmission itself is not really important, which is why I don’t understand what was the point of having it in the first place. The time they deciphered the intel should have been the moment where anyone (save for Kylo) first heard of Palpatine’s comeback instead of muddying the waters with an offscreen broadcast.

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#1431767
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Cadavra said:

Further, removing the dialogue doesn’t solve the problem of gathering such a large force so quickly. You would need added scenes to do that.

To clarify, I’m not proposing a better justification for assembling the fleet so quickly. I’m proposing eliminating the very idea that the fleet was assembled so quickly to begin with, but rather that it was already assembled by the time TROS begins. Poe’s lines are a hurdle to this change because, as one of the Resistance’s top leaders (and THE co-General by the time of the final battle), he would presumably have some idea of the fleet’s actual size.

Yeah, this make sense. I honestly expected Lando or Poe would transmit an inspiring message to the worlds much like Ezra or Mon Mothma did in Rebels, asking them to meet Lando at some kind of rendezvous point. Not saying all the people in the galaxy wouldn’t be instantly swayed by Lando’s charm but it feels a bit of a reach to think the Falcon visited the systems one by one (considering most of them were also besieged by First Order forces) in such a short span.

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#1431763
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What's your take on Emperor Palpatine being brought back for The Rise of Skywalker?
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TestingOutTheTest said:

By your logic, same with the Death Star in ANH’s crawl (not considering the prequels or Rogue One). And “I am your father” was just dropped on the audience as well.

The Death Star is a completely different beast. It’s the opening crawl for the first ever movie in the saga, where audience has not previous conceptions about the lore or the story. Of course you’d need to establish the crucial foundations to ANH’s plot: there’s a cruel Empire, they have a planet-killing Death Star, and there is a rebellion seeking a way to destroy it.

Now imagine if the crawl for Empire stated that Darth Vader wanted to find Luke suspecting that he’s his son.

and the rushed pacing of TROS doesn’t make matters better.

I’ve watched TRoS TWICE, and I never understood how the pacing is rushed, exactly.

Just compare the opening fifteen minutes to the prologue of any other Star Wars movie. TROS crammed three complete different scenes, each with its own significant contribution to the plot, in a time span equivalent to the entire opening of TFA on Jakku. There’s barely any room for scenes to breathe until, like, the beginning of the second act.

Except the characters DO react to Palpatine’s return. “The message CONFIRMS the worst.” Implying the Resistance DIDN’T believe Palpatine was alive at first. Then they’re surprised, afterwards asking all sorts of questions.

Also, Kylo Ren wanting to kill Palpatine IS his reaction. He is a threat to Ren’s power, and he’ll (referring to Ren) do whatever it takes to take over the galaxy for himself.

Yes they were skeptical, but the actual transmission from Palpatine (which itself is a questionable plot element but that’s for another debate) was received offscreen. It’s like if Luke found out about his parentage in the meantime between Empire and Return of the Jedi, with this revelation stated in the ROTJ crawl, and we only see Luke’s reaction to Yoda confirming that he is Vader’s son.

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#1431709
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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TestingOutTheTest said:

Is it possible to insert the same Imperial theme used for “I am your father” into Palpatine’s full, in-person reveal on Exegol, to signify that it’s meant to be the “I am your father” of our generation?

It would probably feel ham-fisted just like Yoda’s theme playing over Luke raising the X-Wing.

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#1431708
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What's your take on Emperor Palpatine being brought back for The Rise of Skywalker?
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But “I’m your father” works better because it happens at the middle part of a trilogy, and near the ending. This means the film (only considering Empire, not ANH) has dedicated runtime to set this up or foreshadow this in a way (e.g. Luke’s vision in the cave) and the twist accomplishes its goal as a climax and as a cliffhanger ending to get audiences excited for part III.

Palpatine’s return doesn’t land as well because it’s just dropped on the audience and expects the viewer to just get along with it, and the rushed pacing of TROS doesn’t make matters better. Even if it wasn’t spoiled in marketing, Palpatine’s comeback is stated right away in the opening crawl, meaning the audience is deprived of the chance to experience the revelation along with the characters. Seeing Luke’s reaction to his parentage reveal, coming from Vader himself, helps to set the mood of the scene, and we follow Luke pondering on this new knowledge the entire remainder of the film. He even acts as an audience surrogate by explicitly wondering why Ben Kenobi didn’t tell him the truth. Instead when Kylo lands on Exegol we are already expecting to see Palpatine, and it’s only the second scene. Of course it hasn’t been revealed how he survived or what his plans are yet, but since the revelation of his return is mentioned in passing as if it were an afterthought, it carries less weight than it should. It doesn’t help that the Palpatine retcon feels more random than the Vader retcon because it happens in the last film. There won’t be a direct sequel or an interquel trilogy to explain it (as far as we know the Skywalker saga is done). For comparison, a good chunk of Return of the Jedi is dedicated to confirm the plot twist (many viewers believed Vader was lying) and further develop the relationship between Vader and Luke and how it feeds Vader’s inner conflict. TROS is so rushed that the importance of such an array of reveals (Palpatine is back, and Rey is his granddaughter) doesn’t get enough time to be dwelled on or let the audience come to terms with it.

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#1431636
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What's your take on Emperor Palpatine being brought back for The Rise of Skywalker?
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TestingOutTheTest said:
On that topic, how he survived is explained, and this explanation relies on inference.

That’s the thing. It needs more than a “Somehow Palpatine returned” and some half-assed possibilities brought up immediately later for the audience to suspend disbelief. If it were for inference one could make endless headcanons or possible explanations to fill in the blanks, maybe with reasoned and solid arguments, but it doesn’t make up for the fact they didn’t explain how Palps survived in a satisfactory way that doesn’t require reading a novelisation or visual dictionary. And the audience deserves better than that.

Palpatine being brought back could have been a fine plot development but for another sequel trilogy that set up his looming presence accordingly. The way they included him is an ass pull, no matter how many retcons they introduce.

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#1431356
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<strong>Ahsoka</strong> (live action series) - general discussion thread
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KumoNin said:

jedi_bendu said:
Man, we should have got Colin Trevorrow’s Episode IX. That showed how Rey could be the perfect balance of anger, sadness, fear, love and the rest of it. We would have finally got that issue sorted out!

Exactly why I consider that script my canon episode IX. Interestingly also, because of the many writers’ different interpretations, some have, counter to Lucas, also suggested pretty much what Trevorrow did (DOTJ, if I’m not misremembering), that the PT jedi were flat out wrong in their dogma. Perhaps those heading the story group disagree… 😕 Hopefully this doesn’t derail the thread, ha

Maybe, since they apparently objected to the notion of Grey Jedi.

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#1431288
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Star Wars Headcanons
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  • The Bad Batch inspired (in-universe) the formation of SCAR squadron.
  • Omega’s hair color was a recessive allele found in Jango Fett’s family (in Legends, both his mother and sister were blonde)
  • Rey’s mother was a dissident Sith Eternal cultist who helped Rey’s father to leave Exegol, and renounced her belief in the dark side.
  • Jocasta Nu saved Grogu during the attack on the Jedi Temple.
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#1431253
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<strong>The Bad Batch</strong> (animated series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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jedi_bendu said:

What motivation could Boba have for wanting Omega to be found? I’ve always felt the dialogue from The Mandalorian about ‘fate stepping in’ implies Boba found Fennec in the desert by chance and rescued her, and that was the first time they met, but that’s far from definite and could be changed easily. It would also build up excitement for The Book of Boba Fett.

That, and also the fact Boba is still a teenager hunter by this point. Already badass but definitely not ESB-level in influence. It would be interesting if they reframed the original Cad Bane vs Boba arc and make it happen in Bad Batch instead of during TCW.

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#1431252
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<strong>Rangers Of The New Republic</strong> (live action series) - general discussion thread (<strong>Cancelled</strong>)
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jedi_bendu said:

Mostly, I just want to avoid all these bloody Mando tie-in shows. Disney’s story planning has gotten very reactionary and because The Mandalorian is popular, they started a bunch of similar projects in the same time period. Even The Bad Batch is following some of its story beats. I just wanted Rangers to be much more free of the need for interconnectivity. If it was going to be a Cara Dune story simply to capitalise on the success of The Mandalorian, I’m not bothered if it’s cancelled. If it could be a show more free of expectations, full of New Republic worldbuilding, an introduction to original characters or a much-needed continuation to the stories of Hera, Jacen Syndulla, or Zeb and Kallus from Rebels… I’d love it to continue production.

So true. Arguably the one known character who should have a recurring role should be Paul Sun-Hyung Lee’s pilot. Maybe the different series could use a Coulson-like character to add up interconnectivity in small doses but it’s time to let each storyline breath.

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#1431250
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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RogueLeader said:

This was a really quick, dirty edit, but I messed around with Captain Hux line and came up with this.

https://streamable.com/6vgv5d

The line is in every channel, with different levels of reverb, so I tried to duplicate that effect with the Captain line, and then cheated with the music a little. I just did it quick but I bet you could sell it even more with a better line read and cleaner audio editing.

Going to sleep for now, but I’ll have something else to share with y’all tomorrow…

Yeah, this is closer to how I originally pictured it in my mind! The delayed “Captain Hux” works better as a stealth roast, especially with the following reaction shot of the FO officers.

In my headcanon it wouldn’t be out of place for Hux to remain in the executive council despite his demotion, owing to him being a member of the FO aristocracy.

And so hyped to see how the Pasaana function turns out!