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#62036
Topic
The 1997 SE's - My take
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62036/action/topic#62036
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Ok, I'm not going to go completely through the whole list you made since it is 1 AM, but it has always bugged me about people complaining about the insertion of the Jabba scene. I know, we are all purists here, but of all the changes George made this is one he wanted to do originally. He shot it, it was going to be in the film. Unfortunately, he lacked the technology at that point. If the film were made 10 years later, it would have been there.

Just take that into consideration when you talk about him 'butchering' the film with this scene. Would you have thought it stupid or out of the ordinary if it had always been that way? Probably not. Sure, the suspense of Jabba may be killed but GL had never intended for that suspense to be there.


Um, while time and technology were part of the reason it was cut, the film's editor, Marcia Lucas, told George that it was redundant. There's no reason for the scene to be there now, other then the fact that he could.
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#62035
Topic
reality: everyones got to boycott
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62035/action/topic#62035
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Jimbo, it's called grammer, use it.

"That's the law, Leela; and Branigan's law is like Branigan's love; hard and fast"

In my opinion, if the CGI looks fake, it ceases to be cool. Then again, I prefer a realistic looking effect to zig-zagging cheesiness anyday.

"You're going to find that a lot of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."
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#61882
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reality: everyones got to boycott
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61882/action/topic#61882
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Its how I put it before, the feel has changed. The focus is different. Whole scenes are changed. To some, Han Solo was changed in a mere two seconds. There's now things one never thought about thrusted into one's face. There's so much stuff in the background of Bespin, that's all you look at. Heck, I'm still staring there when I watch the OT because of it. The new establishing shots put greater emphasist on otherwise unimportant things. The Jabba scene delays the plot and damages Jabba's character. We see celebration scenes that make it look like the Empire was hated by EVERYONE, with planets that don't even care taking part in the festivities. We have a stupid dance number that doesn't even fit with the film. The Vader shuttle scene in Empire is among my most reviled. The music is interrupted, the tension destroyed, you're sitting there cringing at every hit the Falcon takes, wondering how they'll escape, than suddenly the scene changes. And for what?! Vader landing on the Executor. George is so focused on hammering every point home that even that isn't left to imagination. What's next? A conception scene in ROTS to remove any doubt that Luke is Vader's son? If you think the changes are so diminutive, why were they made? If it changed nothing, what was the point? If I weren't so big on SW, and a fan of the EU, I probably wouldn't care as much. Lucas can do as he pleases, but the SE isn't canon in my book.
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#61881
Topic
Boycott Special Edition DVD's - I know you can do it
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61881/action/topic#61881
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Originally posted by: Obi_Skywalker
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
i am... lol

actually im still thinking of dropping a cloth from the local Future Shop roof saying the "Star Wars DVDs are not the originals"
just gotta check out if there is anything illegal about that....
if not then i've gotta get to work...
and dont worry... ill be sure to get pictures..




Luke, put up a big sign that says "You don't want to buy these DVD's...these aren't the DVD's you are looking for!"


LOL

Just go about your business. ^_^
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#61762
Topic
Star Wars DVD Covers
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61762/action/topic#61762
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Originally posted by: Scara
Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
Good to know you agree on the back image. Sometimes one has to take what they can get, I suppose. Fortunately, it doesn't look too hard to replace if a replacement can be found. Correct me if I'm wrong. ^_^


You're absolutely right ... if and when I find a replacment it taes about 2 minutes to actually replace the picture

Thx for the corrections, will be making em on the covers as soon as possible.


No problem. You might want to proof read the Episode I and II covers while you're at it. You never know. What kind of pic are you seaching for, maybe we can keep an eye out?
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#61759
Topic
Star Wars DVD Covers
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61759/action/topic#61759
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Good to know you agree on the back image. Sometimes one has to take what they can get, I suppose. Fortunately, it doesn't look too hard to replace if a replacement can be found. Correct me if I'm wrong. ^_^

As for grammerical errors, after reading that post I checked the synopsis my self. Here's what I found outside of what was reported.

ANH

It should be "possession" not "possesion"

Star Destroyer should be capitalized.

I've also been told to never start a sentence with "but" nor "and", but that's debatable.

ESB

Empire's pretty solid, all I found were some nitpicks.

"The rebels' only hope is to hold off the Imperial troops long enough, so the Allience transport ships can find their way to safety through the Imperial blockade."

That sentence, while grammerically correct, is much more ungainly then need be. Might I suggest the following.

"The rebels' only hope is to hold off the Imperial troops long enough to allow the Allience transport ships to find their way safely past the Imperial blockade."

or

"The rebels' only hope is to hold off the Imperial troops long enough while the Alliance transport ships find their way safely pass the Imperial blockade."

In any case it's a mouthful

"finds out that his friends"

works either way.

RotJ

The first paragraph is indeed a run-on sentence. One I have no clue as to fixing at the moment.

Spell out "second"

"Before the Rebel fleet can attack the station, a small group of soldiers, led by General Solo, will have to take out the station's shield generator, located on the forest moon."

I'm a bit unsure on this. It's possible the commas before and after "led by General Solo" and right before "located" aren't necessary.

"and Vader's master" instead of "and his master".

These are all suggestions on an otherwise great piece of work.
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#61766
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DEVASTATED
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61766/action/topic#61766
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Originally posted by: Figrin_Dan
It was a terrible casting decision having Morrison play Jango, at least apply an American accent. The New Zealander accent for both Jango and Boba is terrible, and modifying the OT to match this bad casting decision? FUBAR!


Actually, I didn't mind Jango at all, but I do mind changing Boba. The original actor actually sounds pretty close as it is, why change it? This is definallu a case of SNAFU.
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#61765
Topic
New dialogue found (more may be coming) A&E's Empire of Dreams
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61765/action/topic#61765
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Originally posted by: Galahad_Skywalker
I heard it's being cut down to fit in a two-hour timeslot, so instead of all two-and-a-half hours of the documentary that'll be on the DVD, A&E will only show about 90 minutes of it or so.


That's what I've heard as well. I was afraid of that. Well, my retal shop had the Indy extra disc, hopefully they'll have this one.
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#61751
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Wolfman Back In?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61751/action/topic#61751
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Yeah that was the best part of the novel. Kevin J Anderson's stuff isn't my favorite, but they're still better than Barbara Hamby's work.(she does write better ST fiction).

As for the EU being canon, I would've thought the prequels incorperating stuff from it(Coruscant, double-bladed lightsabers, etc.) would have removed all doubts. I guess its a case of "Personal Canon" or something to that effect.
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#61747
Topic
reality: everyones got to boycott
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61747/action/topic#61747
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
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Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
I see you updated the pic, Hal. Wow, that balcony shot looks worse than I remember. I agree with you whole heartedly. I don't want these discs. I'm in the process of getting some, "5-inch Laserdiscs".



What? What is wrong with the balcony shot. It is one of the few changes that isnt obvious.
Again, why get so bent out of shape over FIVE SECONDS of footage? Why does it matter?


The balcony shot was painfully obvious that it had been recolored. If you can't figure out how much 5 seconds can change a film, then we can't tell you fully. Look at the difference between directors cuts. The Extended LOTR trilogy has a completely different feel to it as it focuses more on character building. Granted those scenes are longer than five seconds, but the length isn't as important. In the SE, it's different. While the addittions aren't long, they're more than a simple longer scene. They're complete reworkings. They change the centre of a scene. Instead of seeing Leia, Lando and Chewie running to stop Boba Fett, I see a balcony that wasn't there before. I know it wasn't there, so it's hard to ignore. Even if I could, the look and feel is changed. When I saw Star Wars on the bigscreen in 97, I didn't go to see the changes. I wasn't looking for them, I just wanted to see one of my favorite films on the big screen. The first showing however, the changes were so noticable and blatent, that I lost track of what was happening. My eye was drawn to the changes, forcing me to acknowledge them.

What he's done has changed the look, focus, and feel of these movies. Instead of the character and story driven films of the OT, the SE feels like a special effects film. Chalk it up to just not liking change, but the SE isn't Star Wars to me. That's my opinion.
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#61744
Topic
reality: everyones got to boycott
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61744/action/topic#61744
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
I'm not really boycotting the release, I frankly just don't want it.

And why would I?

(Pics removed)

I don't want that crap!


You do realize that most of these changes were the good ones, right? The only changes that bother me are Greedo shooting first, which takes less than two seconds, and the new Sy Snoodles song. To add insult to injury, the VHS of the SE had "Jedi Rocks" twice.

Which is why I am looking forward to DVDs. Instantly skip Jedi Rocks and RotJ becomes better!


Again, saying "most of these changes were the good ones" is an opinion, as is calling them "crap". I personally can't stand most of "the good ones". That's my opinion.
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#61732
Topic
reality: everyones got to boycott
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61732/action/topic#61732
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Jimbo, again, just because you think it was a good change doesn't make it fact. I'm indifferent to the wampa scene. I did hate the shuttle scene and most of the other changes. If I wanted to be like you, I should just say, "Who the hell wants poorly done CGI". Unlike you, I know that some wouldn't agree with that statement. The new Sarlaac looks like a Venus fly trap ala Little Shop of Horrors. Mos Eisley made more sense to me in the original. Tatooine is a backwater planet, no one goes there except to hide. Having Mos Eisley as a bustling spaceport make about as much sense as building New York City in the middle of the Sahara. What does it matter if they updated Jabba and Greedo. A slightly better looking piece of crap(IMO) is still a piece of crap. You like them Jimbo, go watch them. We have nothing against this. But your whole, "Why the hell would anyone want to watch the original versions" attitude has got to stop.
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#61730
Topic
Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/61730/action/topic#61730
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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
Actually I checked the original theatrical cuts and noticed that they actually didn't change the sound in the footage that exists in the original cuts, but they added another short shot of Slave I cruising through the debris, where it's engine sound transitions into the sound familiar from ep2.


If you mean the shot of the Falcon passing the camera followed by Slave 1 after the Imperial fleet go to lightspeed, that was in the SE.

As for the new Emperor, I honestly think that the new one looks pretty bad. It doesn't look like him at all. We're better off with the dark, "we can barely make him out" look of the original. Who cares if it's a chimp?