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- #68326
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- Changes in 2004 DVDs
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Klingon_Jedi
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- #68278
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- The intelligence of SW Fan boys....
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- #68263
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- Changes in 2004 DVDs
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68263/action/topic#68263
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Originally posted by: Laserschwert
Oh, c'mon... like Han wasn't the type of guy to get a hooker...
Tha'ts not what I'm arguing. Lucas has claimed he always intended Leia to be his only love. Not only did he originally write him as having a wife, he also filmed his first appearence as being with a girlfriend named Jenny. To top it off, in the EU, which he supervises, Han's official first love was a women named Brea. It's a minor point, but I'm simply saying that Lucas will act like he never had any ideas except what has come to pass.
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- #68054
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- Idea: About De-SEizing the DVDs... We need to Vote on Changes!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68054/action/topic#68054
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Originally posted by: INv8r_ZIM
The new digital matte of half of docking bay 327 (no one notices that? It's really quite a nice touch and fixed a pretty bad perspective problem)
The new digital matte of half of docking bay 327 (no one notices that? It's really quite a nice touch and fixed a pretty bad perspective problem)
I say that because we now have two lists of ANH changes and it's on neither. i myself am not too against it, I just don't see why the Death Star has to look like the Death Star II in that respect. Also, it not just "half " of docking bay 327. The interior of the lift was redone, and that's a CGI Falcon. Yet the hole in the glow where the Falcon's support bar was is still there.
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- #68079
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- Poor Obi-Wan
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68079/action/topic#68079
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- #68077
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- Anakin's ghost?!?!?!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68077/action/topic#68077
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Sorry, got carried away in my fatigue.
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- #68029
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- Idea: About De-SEizing the DVDs... We need to Vote on Changes!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68029/action/topic#68029
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(This is the opening logos. Original or shiney logos?)neutral
2)
(Digitally darkened sky)no
3)
(Ditto)no
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(Digital Dewbacks and such)no
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(alternate shot of the sandcrawler, this time closer to the camera)neutral
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(digitally touching up the landspeeder)neutral
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(different shot of Obi-Wan's hut)no
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(more landspeeder touchups)neutral
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(Barley different at all, shot of Mos Eisley)no
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(Digital speeder)no
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(several new shots of Mos Eisley, and alterations made to existing shots)hell no. however, would it be possible to clean up the R2 droid smeared by the vasiline yet lose the Ronto?
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(Digital dewback now "barks" as the gang enters the Cantina)no
13)
(Wolfman replaced with reptile thing)no
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(Digital dewback added behind stromtroopers, with another dismounting)no
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(Greedo now shoots first)hell no
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(Digital droid accompanies troopers from door to door)hell no
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(digital swooping doorway and air traffic)no
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(This does NOT mean to vote for if Jabba is better than the '97 version. This vote is for the scene at all.)absolutely not
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(digital shot of the Falcon taking flight)no
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(Falcon now "arches" out of frame)no
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(new Alderann explosion, with "ring")no
You forgot the changed Docking bay 327. I'd vote neutral to no, since no one notices that(even I had to read about it).
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(the room of troopers Han runs into is now extended by about 100 troops, and even a TIE fighter)no
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(new forced perspective shot of the hallway)neutral leaning to yes
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(more hallway modifications)neutral leaning to yes
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(new garbage creature)no
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(messing with Leia's blaster sounds)hell no
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(re-added the "close the blast doors" line)no
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(lightsabers updated to look like the prequels)neutral
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(corrected Obi-Wan's fading saber)neutral
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(New "blast" as the Falcon departs the Death Star)neutral
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(more sounds added to the controls)no
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(Digital Falcon approaches Yavin)no
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(Falcon added to the foreground, landing)neutral
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(different temple)neutral
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(conversation with Biggs added)neutral
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(different shot of Xwings replacing the old, "sparkles")hell no
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(different Death Star approach shot)hell no
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(simple, whole Battle of Yavin. original, or special)absolutely not. Perhaps the cleaned up matte lines but no CG
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(ring added to the Death Star explosion)hell no
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(cardboard people replaced with real people)neutral
NO PICS I COULD FIND
41) Luke's new saber. said to turn green at odd times.
no
42) Tractor beam text replaced with Aurebesh.
neutral
Thanks for the index. However, all this shows is that a completely deSEed version is absolutely necessary. I doubt we can all agree on a universal SE edit.
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- #68050
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- Changes in 2004 DVDs
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68050/action/topic#68050
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- #68043
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- An idea for Lucasfilm / petitioners
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68043/action/topic#68043
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- #68041
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- Wanted: Looking For Making Of Specials, PLEASE HELP!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68041/action/topic#68041
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- #68040
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- Changes in 2004 DVDs
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68040/action/topic#68040
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- #68031
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- HERO
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68031/action/topic#68031
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- #68030
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- Things you LIKED about the Special Editions?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68030/action/topic#68030
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
More people should do what Pags did: give an intelligent assessment without spouting about how much they hate Lucas.
Hate is just as much of the Dark Side as stupidity.
I don't see any mention of anyone hating Lucas in this thread. The only reason I detailing my loathing of the Yavin battle is because you asked. This has been a rather civil thread.
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- #68028
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- Original line?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68028/action/topic#68028
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- #68025
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- SE Changes
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68025/action/topic#68025
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Originally posted by: jimbo
When people complain about changes that good it almost makes me glad that Lucas is doing what he is doing. I can by the film history arguement. It would be kind of nice to see what was state of the art for that time. I also can by the Greedo shoots first or dialog change arguement. But how in the love of god can you possibly think changes like the new wampa, cloud city, new dewbacks, new sarlacc, better ship takeoffs, and livly cities don't improve the scene. These changes vastly improved the movie. Argueing otherwise makes absolutly no sense.
"Why!! Why don't you think exactly like I do!!!! How can I possibly be wrong on a subject that shouldn't have an incorrect answer!!!! Why can't you see that what I say goes!!!!! How dare you all have a contrasting opinion!!!!"
Jimbo, in all seriousness, that's what you sound like. For Pete's sake, grow up and realize that everyone one is different and there's nothing wrong with that. If you won't repect our opinions, leave, as we have no reason then to respect yours.
By the way, the ending to Rouge Squadron III - Rebel Strike featured the longer cut of the ending to RotJ, minus planets and ghosts, yet has Yub nub. Seems even the makers are with us, regardless of the Se shots troughout. Battle front is loaded with nothing but pan and scan SE shots, which I think was intentional.
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- #68024
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- I love the DVDs!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68024/action/topic#68024
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1. fanboy
1. A person who is completely loyal to a game or company reguardless of if they suck or not.
2. A pathetic insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and put down people who don't like whatever it is they like.
3. See fool or SEGA.
"If you don't worship SEGA and send them all your money and pay $500 for the copy of Panzer Dragon I'm selling on ebay then your obviously a Sony fanboy even though I've never heard you mention a single thing about Sony the entire five minutes I've known you." Said the SEGA Fanboy.
"Yeah but the SNES didn't have Blast Processing" Said the Sega fanboy.
"FF7 sucks" Said the [SEGA Saturn fanboy.
Source: Sega Slayer, Jun 26, 2003
3. fanboy
A person who loves something without question.
Martigen is such a fanboy.
Source: bah, Jan 27, 2003
4. fanboy
A person who has an undying urge to sway everyone that is not a believer of the belief system they have towards a game or system or every piece of hardware. If they do not succeed, they will not sway from their statement infront of anyone who knows their stancel.
ATI vs. Nvidia, Counter Strike vs. Unreal Tournament, AMD vs. Intel.
Source: {LoC}Deathscythe, Apr 11, 2004
8. Fanboy
Biased people who think that the things they worship about are the masters of the universe. However, since they are biased, they will constantly bash opposing things instead of thinking about it and stating its positive and negative attributes.
Others say XBOX is the best for its graphics and games. Well, not really. PS2 and Gamecube has some more interesting games. And what makes a game a game is that it is fun to play with, not what it looks like.
Source: thesunfiredblanks, Dec 2, 2003
I think this one fits the situation best.
15. fanboy
A very, very stupid word used to try and rob 'fans' of something of their credibility and validity. Usually used in the video gaming world, and employed by those who could be described as 'fanboys' themselves.
The word totally fails as an insult, and serves only to make the attacker seem incredibly childish. It also fails in that nobody is ashamed to call themselves a 'fan' of something - are they?
Ooooh, don't call me a FAN, I'll be so offended.
Source: Bal-Sagoth, Jul 2, 2004
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- #68022
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- Changes in 2004 DVDs
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68022/action/topic#68022
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Originally posted by: Sam_Lu
There is always one telltale sign that George Lucas is lying.....
His lips are moving.
Sam Lu, please add something constructive along with your comment. I'm tired of arguing with people. Just a friendly suggestion. ^_^
R2, I've read the novel as well. The scene just doesn't work in the film. Jabba isn't important in IV. They had Greedo allud that Han needed money bad, we don't need Jabba. Plus, why is Boba Fett there. The most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy takes a job to scare up some rogue smuggler? The scene was ok in the book, better in the radio drama, and just plain dead wight in the film. That's my view however.
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- #68021
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- Original line?
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68021/action/topic#68021
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- #68020
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- I love the DVDs!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68020/action/topic#68020
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Originally posted by: Lord Peeler
Nobody is on a witch hunt here, well except the fanboys with the tourches out in front of Skywalker Ranch hanging Lucas in effegy.
You are on a witch hunt. You sit here, twisting other people words against them. You sit here, poking fun at others. You sit here, heckling other people for their beliefs. If someone calling an entire board a group of "fanboys" isn't a witch hunt, what is?
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KlingonJedi, do not be surprised if some of the folks here turn on you for admitting to like the PT.
Shows how little you know of these boards. I've been here for months with my thoughts on the PT well known. Never once have I been attacked here for liking the PT. People like me, who hate the special editions for whatever reason, are attacked elsewhere. This board's downright tame in comparison. You've been posting here less than a month and presume you know everyone here? No sir, I will not let you classify people I enjoy talking to in such a way, or anyone for that matter. You do not know the people here, you do not talk to them outside accusing them. Do not act so high and mighty when you are oblivious to this board, as even my patience will wear thin. If it's one thing I truly despise, it's people who make wild generalisations based on ignorence. Just because we have some radicals, doesn't mean we're all radicals.
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If your theories on why TPM were true, then why did it sell so many millions of dollars in home video sales???
Again, don't asociate success with universal popularity. Starving the fans got their butts in the seats. Naturally, some liked it, others didn't. ID4 was popular too, does that mean everyone bought it? No it doesn't.
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Finally, I doubt what the people here say because so much of what they say is BS. For example, ILM invented CGI, yet on this board I've seen people say that ILM sucks at CGI. And if a film was universally hated as they claim TPM is, then how on Earth did it make $431 dollars and score so high on the Tomatoe meter??? Your argument that it was the first Star Wars film in 16 years doesn't hold water, because people had to keep going to see it more than once to add up to those numbers.
It does too hold water, as not everyone draws the same conclusions on first viewing. I'm not saying everyone hated it, nor are they. I am saying that just because it was successful, doesn't mean everyone loves it. Also, people will buy stuff they don't want. My dad does that. They'll also love a brand, no matter the quality. Add in the fact that there are people who could care less, and you have people buying it for whatever reason. From liking it to just because they collect videos. It's called an opinion, and they have every right to say they hated it as you do liking it. Same as they can have the opinion that Weta or Digital Domain does better CG work. Even if they did "invent it" as you claim, does that automatically make them the best, no matter what? I could care less what the critics think. Troy got lousy reviews, and I saw that twice. Guess I'm the exception to the rule, or do you not believe that possible.
Secondly, ILM didn't create CGI. Ever hear of "Tron"? It was the first film to use extensive computer special effects. At the time, all ILM did was a brief CG sequence in Star Trek II. They didn't have a CGI breakthrough until 1985 with Young Sherlock Holmes(a film which bombed). That's a full year after the CGI marvel of it time, The Last Starfighter. Do your homework next time. ILM has contributed to CGI, they didn't create it. I hold ILM as the best in the field, but I think their work on the Special Editioms was below their efforts. 1996's Star Trek: First Contact has effects well above the SEs. That was ILM at it's best. I couldn't believe why they slacked off on the SE.
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Catwoman was a movie that was universally hated. It failed to make $ 100 million. If you give TPM an opening weekend take of $100 or so, that doesn't add up to $431 million if people went to it and hated it.
You don't hate it. I don't hate it, so that means that not everyone hates it.
Nice that you understand that. Now understand that just because we like it, doesn't mean anyone else will or has to. My sister doesn't care much for them. Why should you care? Also, you've talked to maybe five people on this board. Most have not liked the prequels. Since that's five out of the 1,000+ members we have, does that mean everyone here hates it. Are you suggesting that I'm the lone exception?
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People here claim everyone hates it and it was booed. Well, if the first part doesn't check out that casts doubts on the second part.
When they saw it, it got booed, FACT. Chances are, when they discuss it, they've met more naysayers. They're going on their experiences, you're going on yours. Not everyone loves it, and I don't care. Not everyone hates it, and I don't care. Why, on Earth, does it matter to you? Where do you get off telling other people that all they spout is lies and BS? Who made you the infalible one? You claim that because you haven't experienced something, it makes it not so? You claim that just because something was successful, everyone must like it? If what they say is BS then you're guilty of it as well. I don't mind discussing things with you, in a civil manner. However, if you feel that must poke holes in their and my arguments, no matter what we say, then just say so. Say that you don't give a damn about others' right to an opinion, declare yourself eternally right, then leave us in peace. Because if that's the case, then you're wasting all our time. Opinions shall be heard, trolls shall not. If you can't trust anyone here, then what do you plan to accomplish? Bashing people certainly won't make them change their minds. If anything, you're causing more harm. If I had a mild problem with something, having someone heckle me for it only turns annoyance into anger.
Jay, if this doesn't clear up, please lock this thread. Any other forum would've long ago.
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- #67983
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- I love the DVDs!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67983/action/topic#67983
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Lord Peeler, culd you give people credit for their experiences? Just because everyone cheered at your showing, doesn't mean they did at every showing. Your experience does not make it make for every one elses. You weren't with them when it happened, how do you know that they're making it up? As for the money TPM made, ever hear of Star Trek: The Motion Picture? It's an ok film, but it made more money then it would've had Star Trek still been playing at the time. It had been a decade since new Star Trek, people were starved. Same goes for Menace. Sixteen year, and no new film makes anyone want to check it out. I like TPM and AOTC, but I don't mind if some here don't.
Also, just because all you've seen is O-OT "Fanboys" doesn't mean SE fans don't do it. That's a self-rightous attitude, and an incorrect one to boot. Assuming only one side is guilty is wrong. One of the main reasons I'm here is because one can say, "I though the new Yavin battle could've been better" or "Why does Hayden look so creepy?" and they are shredded. I've seen it happen. Look up Darth Firth on TF.n, he'll tell you you're living in the past if you have any misgivings on the changes. People who didn't like the prequels are told that they aren't Star Wars fans, and that their opinion doesn't matter. Then again, you're going on my word, and since I hate the SE(not Lucas' right to change but the changes themselves) I must be making it up.
I support Lucas. I read his EU, which some fans claim isn't Star Wars and will bash you if you don't agree. There was a huge thread on whether Boba Fett lives, which existed only to turn the two sides against one another. I watch and buy his prequels. I may not agree with everything(not all stormtroopers are clones), I still accept them in my kanon. I also enjoy Magnolia Fans edits, I suppose that means I really hate the prequels, right? The only thing I don't except is the SE. That makes me a black sheep in most communities, and this isn't one of them. Thank heavens for this site.
Now, I'm not against you, but if you don't choose to join in civil discussion, then there's nothing more to say. Please continue your "fanboy witchhunt" elsewhere. Don't act surprised at being flamed, as it seems that's what you want. I won't be doing so, as I respect others opinions, but only if they respect mine.
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- #67742
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- Changes in 2004 DVDs
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A. Make the stand in so large. This makes him harder to cover.
B. Have contant frame movement. It's hard enough blending things standing still. Adding motion makes thing more complicated.
C. Have an actor contently move in front of the effects area. They had trouble with Han's finger using CGI, it would be harder with film compositing. not only would the character have to fit, they would have to cut out Han in each frame.
This leaves two conclusions.
1. The stand-in was Jabba. It wasn't an effects shot. Lucas cut it for story flow. In 97, he needed what Walt Disney called "a wienie"for his re-release so he put Jabba back in. Except, when he did RotJ, he decided to make Jabba a slug. Making a non-effects shot a effects shot.
2. Lucas is truly a horrible director at special effects. Wanting a complex stop motion puppet, then filming the scene in a way that makes inserting said puppet impossible. Even I can't imagine he's that short-sighted.
Of course, there's a third possibilty. That Lucas changed his mind during filming, and decided he wanted a puppet instead of a human. Only Lucas knows. One thing's for sure, it's not an effects shot. In the end, it doesn't change the fact that it's the single, worst part of the film.
Please, offer your own opinion. As long as it's your opinion, and not, "George said......"
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- #67738
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- I love the DVDs!
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67738/action/topic#67738
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Lord Peeler, please stop being so general in your witchhunt. If you dislike this board and its members, please speak your mind elsewhere. Not because we don't want you here, but because this site issn't for you if this is the case. All we ask is constructive posts. Do you honestly think the opinions of a forum is going to affect his decision. Bashing Lucas will no more hurt our cause than kissing up to him will help it.
Sam_Lu, you too are pushing buttons, please be calm and fair. I agree with what you're saying, but there's no need to be hostile. It's obvious that you're passionate about this, but fighting solves nothing.
Luke, please don't leave. You are a valued member of this board and we would all hate to see you go.
Darth Al, it's great that you love the changes, more power to you, but why do you come to a haven for those who don't? I welcome you here, but please, contribute, don't rile. We get too much of that elsewhere.
Face it, if you were on "specialedition.com" and some guy came in and rubbed in how much he loved his original version DVDs, and you didn't have DVDs of the SE(provided the situation were reversed), how'd you feel? I don't even care if I get Star Wars on DVD, as I don't mind VHS. What I do mind is that Lucas, a man I respected growing up, won't give his fans the choice he has to choose. I mind that anyone who speaks against any change, for better or worse, gets attacked because "they live in the past". You have your version, where's the harm in letting us have ours? Let's all try being considerate of one another.
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- #67699
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- Changes in 2004 DVDs
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67699/action/topic#67699
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Originally posted by: jimbo
That is what he said in the audio commentary.
Wait, he actually admitted that it wasn't intended to be a special effects shot. He admitted that it's redundant, poorly written, and pointless? Let me guess, you only read the part about the effect being too expensive due to lack of planning, right?
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- #67509
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- Changes in 2004 DVDs
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The scene was cut for one reason, and one reason alone, it stunk. The dialogue's redundant, it spoils the Falcon's reveal, and it alludes to things that don't even impact the film. It wastes time, and is completely unnecessary. Don't give me any of that "it ties IV to VI better' garbage either. That's what Greedo's for. It does affect the story. Vader's shuttle, Jedi Rocks, Mos Eisley, The Celebration, Hayden, they all affect the story. Some do so out right, other through pacing, setting, feel. Jimbo, I respect you're right to disagree, but could you please come up with retorts that don't quote documenteries and interviews word for word. An original stance would be nice.
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- #67488
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- Changes in 2004 DVDs
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/67488/action/topic#67488
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