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Post: #160426
Topic: If only it were real....
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160426/action/topic#160426
Time: 4-Dec-2005 12:48 PM

Never seen those McQuarrie ones... interesting!

You know what would be cool (if only it were real)? A summary thread in which the links to all these things appeared in the first post, and was updated alla time. Even this cover-thread-but-you'd-never-know-it-from-the-title cover thread is getting bloated.

Doesn't help much that the search function absolutely licks donkey, either.

Post: #160424
Topic: Help Wanted: Request - 1997 NTSC Special Edition Clips
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160424/action/topic#160424
Time: 4-Dec-2005 12:44 PM

Oh, yeah: TB. You're right -- GKar's the other one. I'm getting my DVB versions mixed up. That's what you get from rolling out of bed and immediately posting something...

Post: #160414
Topic: Help Wanted: Request - 1997 NTSC Special Edition Clips
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160414/action/topic#160414
Time: 4-Dec-2005 11:42 AM

Originally posted by: Hal 9000
If that's the one with the blue box and plus sign in the upper right corner, than that's what I have.
That's GKar, I believe.
I've tried downloading a few shareware programs to convert the video's framerate, but none of them will accept any of my MPEG f iles. Is there a simple way to slow the video down a little bit?

AviSynth: AssumeFPS(23.976)

Post: #160274
Topic: Info Wanted: quality of various "Making Of" documentaries on the LD's?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160274/action/topic#160274
Time: 3-Dec-2005 12:16 PM

Originally posted by: MasterYoda510
Also, are "Classic Creatures: Return of the Jedi" and "From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga" available on laserdisc?

Yes.

Post: #160104
Topic: ***The MeBeJedi feedback thread ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160104/action/topic#160104
Time: 2-Dec-2005 3:56 PM

Originally posted by: MasterYoda510
Sorry if I was unclear, but I AM using the digital tracks, but my LD player is using its D/A converter and feeding them to me using red and white RCA jacks.

No, I understood that. What I meant was, what you're getting at the RCA jacks ain't digital; it's analog. I'm sayin' you'd be quite a bit better off keeping everything digital, right on into your computer.

Patrick R. is right about video, but I don't know how that's relevant to this particular discussion.

And NONE of this really belongs in MBJ's thread. Sorry, M!

Post: #160102
Topic: Idea & found on ebay: 16mm film SCOPE Star Wars RETURN of THE JEDI MINT LPP
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160102/action/topic#160102
Time: 2-Dec-2005 3:46 PM

What I meant was, I wouldn't want to see the OT be cheap-ass made-in-China crap like most of the other stuff at Wal*Mart. It's bad enough that yet another DVD box set comes out on Tuesday -- it's the same as the one you all (don't) have, just without the extras disc -- and that it seems about 50% of consumers in the US still want something that "fills up their screens".

Sigh.

Post: #159899
Topic: Idea & found on ebay: 16mm film SCOPE Star Wars RETURN of THE JEDI MINT LPP
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159899/action/topic#159899
Time: 1-Dec-2005 10:29 PM

Yeah: from eBay. They turn up from time to time. They're always expensive. As perhaps they should be. I'd be a little disappointed if you could just run down to Wal*Mart and buy a copy of Star Wars on 16mm. Part of the reason prints are expensive is because they're perpetually popular, which is also why this forum exists!

Post: #159874
Topic: ***The MeBeJedi feedback thread ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159874/action/topic#159874
Time: 1-Dec-2005 8:53 PM

Not too sure why you've posted in MBJ's feedback thread, but here are some quick answers nonetheless:

You can get good results with DV. Not state-of-the-art, but OK. DV might have been state-of-the-art for these projects about three or four years ago. Most people have moved on to various other lossless codecs since.

If you've got digital out, use it. Analog is harder to cap, can be noisy, might drift out of sync, and isn't as good quality.

Post: #159586
Topic: Idea & found on ebay: 16mm film SCOPE Star Wars RETURN of THE JEDI MINT LPP
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159586/action/topic#159586
Time: 30-Nov-2005 6:47 PM

Hands on what? A print? Easy. A telecine? Not so easy.

Post: #159340
Topic: Help Wanted: Request - 1997 NTSC Special Edition Clips
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159340/action/topic#159340
Time: 29-Nov-2005 9:28 PM

Originally posted by: Hal 9000
I'm just trying to compile the absolute best from all sources.

Then you will certainly not need anything from LD. The GKar releases are about as good as it gets. I've seen better, but anything better is... elusive.

Post: #158770
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158770/action/topic#158770
Time: 28-Nov-2005 7:11 PM

There is an awful lot of hype surrounding the Japanese SC. I can confirm that the SC is overall not nearly as good a viewing experience as the DC. There are a few (and here I stress a few) scenes that might have more raw detail, but the noise that is encoded right into the disc makes watching it in motion not the best experience. Getting from "raw detail" to "improved viewing experience" is non-trivial.

This SC vs. DC stuff is a little bit like comparing... well, I don't know. All I know is, even with my relatively-decent Pioneer CLD-D925, there is no way I would base an LD-to-DVD project on the SC alone. Or even the SC first and foremost. It is, at best, something to be used very sparingly, in highly-specific cases. Sorta like using spackle to repair holes in drywall, maybe. You wouldn't want to make the whole wall out of spackle, would you?

This discussion does belong in the X0 Project thread, though, because in my opinion this "use the SC to fix the DC" is something best left to the X0 Project to pursue. I figure I know my way around capturing and AviSynth, etc. -- hey, I invented TooT, after all -- but even I'm not getting too excited by the SC as some sort of cure-all.

For the outrageous money required to get a copy of the SC, I totally wouldn't bother. I think it'd be better to send even half that off to the X0 Project, and trust that Zion et al know what they're doing. From what I've seen so far, that trust is not misplaced!

Post: #158184
Topic: Idea & found on ebay: 16mm film SCOPE Star Wars RETURN of THE JEDI MINT LPP
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158184/action/topic#158184
Time: 26-Nov-2005 4:45 PM

Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Thanks! What is the quality of the current DVD's?

480i/576i at 4:2:0, just like every other DVD. A 1080p transfer would have six times the resolution. But resolution doesn't equal sharpness or contrast or any of that good stuff, necessarily.

Post: #158161
Topic: Idea & found on ebay: 16mm film SCOPE Star Wars RETURN of THE JEDI MINT LPP
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158161/action/topic#158161
Time: 26-Nov-2005 3:32 PM

Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi

OK, then, will it ever be possible to view a 4K quality transfer on any home video format?

Maybe. Maybe not. I think the incremental improvement over the current nowhere-near-mainstream-let-alone-over-the-hill HD formats will at some resolution become pointless. Might even be there now, actually. Just not enough people will be able to see enough difference, especially at the small screen sizes we're working with.

And even if 4k does become available, I doubt that you'd be able to tell the difference between that and 1080p, when the source is a 16mm reduction print.

I think most of us would be willing to give our left... leg for a 1080p transfer of the OOT. I don't see there ever being much interest in anything better than that between now and 2025, say. Which is good, because I think even a 1080p transfer will be extremely hard to come by.

Post: #158133
Topic: Idea & found on ebay: 16mm film SCOPE Star Wars RETURN of THE JEDI MINT LPP
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158133/action/topic#158133
Time: 26-Nov-2005 12:14 PM

Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
True, but the point of this is preservation and the standard for cataloguing digital transfers are 4k. All of Warner's classic films have been logged as such.

From 35mm negatives. At best, we're looking at 16mm reduction prints. 2k is likely overkill; HD is probably lots.

However, the major knock against digital film is that it lack the grain or aliveness that 35mm stock film has. For cinemaphobes, that's a problem.

Of course you mean cinemaphiles. If digital lacks grain, then just add some in post! I'm pretty sure you can mess up digital to look like any of the film stocks out there.

Post: #158110
Topic: Idea & found on ebay: 16mm film SCOPE Star Wars RETURN of THE JEDI MINT LPP
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158110/action/topic#158110
Time: 26-Nov-2005 9:28 AM

Originally posted by: Mentor
Adamwankenobi:

HiDef is 1280 x 1024
4k is 4096x2160

So the answer is no.
But then again, no digital video can compare to a true film experience.

HD, as shown in the theatres, is 1920 x 1080 x 24p at (guessing here) 4:4:4 log colour. Maybe 4:4:4 linear, since it's DLP, which I'm not sure can display log stuff. (We miss you, Laserman!). Consumer HD is either 1920 x 1080 or 1280 x 720, but not 1280 x 1024.

I think it's a handy, Luddite-type myth that "no digital video can compare to a true film experience". It can, and it does. Especially when digital video is being used to create many film experiences. We're at the earliest stages of digital video, and it can already kick ass. It's only going to get better, and more flexible.

Still, I'm with you: consumer-grade HD ain't no 4k master.

Post: #158109
Topic: Idea & found on ebay: 16mm film SCOPE Star Wars RETURN of THE JEDI MINT LPP
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158109/action/topic#158109
Time: 26-Nov-2005 9:20 AM

Originally posted by: Grinder
Is it so hard to do a telecine? I've seen a ROTS version looking as good as the official DVD, when it was out only a week. That must have been a telecine, because as far as I know there haven't been promo DVD's of it.

You talking about the one with TC (time code)? That had to be an inside job -- and digital, to boot. Otherwise, yeah, it's hard. Not to actually do the telecine transfer (well, that's not so trivial itself) but actually getting the film on a telecine someplace.

A huge-ass hard-core pirate ring might be able to manage, but I'm sayin' it's virtually impossible for the preservation hobbyist like you or me.

Post: #158045
Topic: <em>SIX</em> fantastic brand new preservation projects..... (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158045/action/topic#158045
Time: 26-Nov-2005 12:02 AM

Originally posted by: battlewars
"incredible shrinking ratio" [...] anyone know?

Google does.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22incredible+shrinking+ratio%22&btnG=Search

Post: #158043
Topic: Idea & found on ebay: 16mm film SCOPE Star Wars RETURN of THE JEDI MINT LPP
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158043/action/topic#158043
Time: 25-Nov-2005 11:58 PM

Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
You have to wonder a few things. 1) The print quality. 2) the amount of information a 16mm film holds. 3) at what k/b coding level anyone on this forum can capture the film.

(1) Some of the 16mm trilogy prints are quite nice. But it's also possible to get a scratched-up old hunk of worthless polyester.
(2) A lot. Way more than the LDs; quite a bit more than the DVDs. You can reasonably expect HD quality from high-quality 16mm prints.
(3) ??? What's "k/b coding level"?

Telecine will not simply be better than the LDs. The DVDs were downconverted 4k captures... I doubt anyone can get to that level or even close.

Obviously, for DVD you don't need anywhere near 4k. There are movies in the theatre that only had a 2k digital inter. DVD is only 0.72k, at 4:2:0 linear. So, while I agree nobody's going to get to a 4k level, I don't necessarily think 4k is particularly relevant here.

Post: #158040
Topic: Idea & found on ebay: 16mm film SCOPE Star Wars RETURN of THE JEDI MINT LPP
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158040/action/topic#158040
Time: 25-Nov-2005 11:50 PM

Originally posted by: THX
This kind of thing has the potential to blow all the LD rips out of the water.

"Potential" is a dangerous word. Of course this has "potential" to blow LD rips out of the water. But I can tell you from bitter experience that there is an awful, AWFUL long way between "potential" and "better than LD rips" when you're talking about 16mm film. Film like this has been around a while (at least 1987), yet I'll bet you've never seen a transfer from film. Why not? Because it is extremely hard to manage. No professional places will touch copyrighted film, and there is no viable solution for making your own transfer that doesn't look like you made your own transfer.

It is an amazing, tantalizing proposition, but if you were sane, you'd avoid too many thoughts of improving on the LD caps with 16mm film. The potential is great; the execution is almost impossible.

Post: #157887
Topic: THE FAN EDIT CONTEST HAS A WINNER !!! REVIEWS IN OFF TOPIC FORUM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/157887/action/topic#157887
Time: 25-Nov-2005 1:51 AM

I have received four discs in the past two days:

ADM's 'Hannibal'
ADM's 'Pearl Harbor'
ADM's 'SW Episode I'
ADM's 'SW Episode II'

Thanks, gentlemen, for getting them to me, and thanks to ADM for putting them together. Should be fun viewing...

Post: #156513
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156513/action/topic#156513
Time: 19-Nov-2005 5:55 PM

Originally posted by: AbsoluteDestiny
If you had more than 3 sources couldn't you do two TooTs and then TooT the TooTs?

Yeah, you could, but I'm not sure you get to the same place, do you? If you have five sources, say, then isn't an average of five better than an average of 123 and 345, say? Only three sources are needed to remove disc-specific junk; after that, I think all you really need is a clever averaging arrangement.

Time to crack my old statistics text, I think... sigma, here I come.

Post: #156443
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156443/action/topic#156443
Time: 19-Nov-2005 12:45 PM

Yeah, I'd thought down that road some time ago. I think I even coded something up (based on the original, which I wouldn't have been able to code on my own). But then I'd need to get more sources, which became my focus instead of coding.

I think I got as far as ToTooT: "Two or Three out of Three", which would average all three if they were close enough, otherwise it would drop the outlier from the averaging. Close enough for the sources I've got.

Post: #156426
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156426/action/topic#156426
Time: 19-Nov-2005 10:23 AM

I think I have TooT somewhere -- seeing as I invented it. I'll see if I can get it up someplace.

TooT isn't just an averager, though: it's a fixer and averager. With three unique sources that exhibit tons of video flaws, you can get a nice, clean version that exhibits only those flaws that exist in all three sources. In practical terms, that means only video flaws that are introduced prior to disc mastering (and there are several) remain.

Post: #156326
Topic: .: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/156326/action/topic#156326
Time: 18-Nov-2005 7:01 PM

Originally posted by: Grinder
In every comparison I've seen, the Faces shots are the worst: very blurry.

Keep in mind that on a lot of players, there's this weird smearing effect with CLV. And none with CAV. That could perhaps be a source of the difference?

I understand (or maybe just suspect?) that's not an issue with the X0.

Post: #155537
Topic: <strong>The Jedi/Feta Definitive Collection</strong> (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/155537/action/topic#155537
Time: 16-Nov-2005 2:04 AM

Hey, boba feta,

Your menus look pretty nice, and I'm sure if Laserman were to stumble across this thread he'd have a lump in his throat and a tear in his eye (hell, I almost do), but in the spirit of Laserman's rigorous technical approach to everything, I gotta point out one near-fatal technical flaw I see:

You are way outside the 'title-safe' area of the screen.

This means your menus (well, at least the two from which you've posted caps) will have a whole bunch of the text cut off on most TVs, wide or otherwise. To make sure your buttons (and any dedications) can be read by everyone, everywhere, you're going to have to pull the whole works in on all sides. I don't remember what percentages will do for action- and title-safe areas -- that would probably be Laserman's next post in the thread, if he were around to post it -- but I'd recommend Googling it up and making some changes accordingly. Laserman would be so proud...