Johnny Ringo

CompMovieGuy said:

They have open registration sometimes, I think like one day out of the week, not hard to get into

Saturdays, i think.

hmm, UNsepia the eyes maybe?

HotRod said:

Johnny Ringo said:

Now the Theme for the first night was agreed upon as "War Movies" - 

 

mmm..There's really only one 'War' film to watch and it has that name in the title...and the other being 'Star'

 

 

 

I'll leave now!!

Ah, but how can you say such a thing when it was itself based on scenes from other war movies?

This is from a guy on the LFL payroll. He'd be unwise to say something out of step. He's pretty much skirted around the questions rather than answering them directly, And even so I'd STILL take comments from him with a grain of salt.

fishmanlee said:

no purple for the emporer if anything it should be black

Funny that [at least to me] - Blacklights ARE purple ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklight

I'd like to see your examples too - I didn't really notice much of a tint but yeah, it did look fairly washed out in a lot of places.

I'm going to have to cross reference all that and come up with a shortlist i think...

Most likely we'll want between 4 and 6 movies.

re: DC logo, I had a look for one but didn't find one in decent quality - We might be able to recreate it, it does look pretty basic.

EDIT - I just noticed that the original logos are used in the intro for 'under the hood'!

re: Dan - yeah I'm not happy with the glow either. The snow flakes are the originals, I painted out around them, although i didn't bother keeping every single one, and by the time i did the tunnel floor snow i just wanted the thing finished to it was a bit of a rush, it was only meant to be a concept.

I had the idea of creating a closed door at the tunnel entrance but i think that would wind up being just as much tedious work, or possibly even more. - The other shot where Rorshach dies might be easier to tackle - less detail where Dan is at and might be easier to hide him. Might try the other Dan shot later on and we can take it from there...

re: the red tint - All I'm saying is that it's an idea worth exploring, I think it could work nicely and it IS an idea from the graphic novel. I was considering maybe doing a video mockup as well, see what you come up with and time permitting I'll do the same... I'd say anyone else is welcome to give it a try too.

I was thinking that you MIGHT want to look at doing something to the flashback shots throughout the film to give them a bit more of a stylized look. No idea what exactly, maybe a noticeably different amount of saturation and/or contrast for example.

re: That was actually the concept I liked most..Just trying to come up with stuff with a comic kind of flavour. In the end it's up to you what you do. Was thinking something along the lines of WATCHMEN Yellow on black [yay] then a bunch of sceens styled like that ^ for the main characters only [ie: the watchmen] - and in motion - NOT static.

Oh, and intercut with snippets of the viral videos and under the hood - if there is suitable footage. Then proper credits...But yeah, might be useful in some other form.

You've got plenty of time to consider all ideas before you start work proper.

Jono11 said:

What about getting the classic DC bullet logo for that title sequence? The new DC logo sucks, and wasn't on the originals.

As much as I like the modern logo I would tend to agree, the Comics are all stamped with the older style logo.

And I only just noticed this but the other studio logos are redone with the watchmen title font [futura something something] - I 'm surprised that is something they'd agree to. Personally i Don't really have a problem with it, it's jsut something that suddenly jumped out at me. It kind of ties them together a bit.

Maybe all of the opening logos should all be their mid 80's counterparts - if different to what is currently there, possibly keeping the Futura font style...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramount_pictures

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legendary_Pictures

RoccondilRinon said:

What Richard said. Can't promise but I'll definitely try.

What those guys said. If i can kick in some AFTER next payday then I will.

okay here's an update more in like with what i was intending...thoughts?

I also hd a bit of a tackle of the scene at the end with Dan. I really would recommend you try all other ideas before painting Dan out of these shots - there is a lot fo fine detail and also a lot of soft fucus stuff, which makes it a bit of a headache...

I'm not really satisfied with the result. Anyone else had a tinker with this? - or ideas on how to avoid it?

I'm not sure if cold war nuclear countdown type films are in the running

Yeah, But i think the selection is going to be tough.

Did some quick mockups for end credit ideas - please keep in mind that they are pretty rough, not exactly what i was going for in style, but similar. Just didn't have the exact sources on hand that i wanted.

And while on the subject of credits / titles - had you considered at all moving the quote you wanted to use to the START of the film and the WATCHMEN title to the END?

The quote might well make for a good story opener and only showing the title at the end of the film is something that has been done, it just doesn't seem to be very common. iirc a [somewhat] recent film to do this was The dark Knight, for example.

* My initial idea was to create faded / worn images of the characters - sort of like shown here...

http://fontfeed.com/archives/tip-the-wornweatheredstamped-look/

high contrast Black and white and then tinted [watchmen] yellow. I would keep the actual text crisp and clean tho, only 'weathering' the characters.

EDIT: I just found some decent quality source images so I may try again a little later...

http://www.impawards.com/2009/watchmen_ver10.html

Usually I'm the one amongst friends makng these sort of suggestions but this time it's a little different.

It seems to be getting harder to catch up with mates lately, getting snowed under with work, family and other commitments, There just doesn't seem to be much time left in the day for hanging out.

So we decided to to and stick with the idea of a monthly or bi-monthly movie night - or movie marathon if you will, And decided to try and stick with a theme for each one.

Now the Theme for the first night was agreed upon as "War Movies" - While chatting we discovered that there are a lot that either none of us have seen or only some of us. So I'm hoping to put together a shortlist of candidates. It seems a broad enough category...

The highest priority will be films we've never seen that are highly recommended. Not simply movies that we haven't seen.

Being a movie themed site I figured there are some among you who'd introduce us to some real gems of films.

Any suggestions?

Regarding the tinting - Firstly I noticed they did it at other points as well, Gold flashbacks when the Comedian is talking to Moloch. But then I had another idea as well, What about only having the flashbacks RED at points of impact?

Like as the Comedian is punched in the face. That would probably be right before it cuts back to the present. It could be a good idea and a bit of a "best of both worlds" approach. I might do some mockups after work to show you clearly what I mean...I had an idea for a yellow on black title as well that might work. Just don't have time right now. gotta get to work.

EDIT: okay I'll try to illustrate my point here quickly - Here you can see that the flashbacks of the fight are in red - If that's too overwhelming you could try something like this...

Comic shot -

Now you COULD cut from the cops talking about blake to a part of the fight - I chose these images at random!

Keep the cops talking as we see a part of the fight, here the Comedian is about to collide with his coffee table...

now at the point of impact [ table breaking] you coul quickly cut to a red tint - probably best with a smooth crossfade...and possibly even try a bright flash as it happens

keep the scene red for the duration of the shot - which wouldn't be too long, then cut cleanly back to the present.

I'm sure if it happens quick enough it could have a good amout of visual impact.

Couldn't convince you to do the title black on yellow?

I guess the point of it is - If you are going to make it feel like a comic book, the make it feel like a comic book! ;)

Went back to the start of the thread to make sure I'm up to speed, Don't wanna be that guy asking redundant questions...

ChainsawAsh said:

So, here's my current plan (based on the Director's Cut):

 the film will open with a simple black-on-yellow (or vice versa) WATCHMEN title, followed by the pan up from the smiley-face pin to the cops talking about Blake's murder, which will be intercut with relevant portions of the removed intro - Rorschach's narration might start here as in the GN as well - Cops seeing/shooting at Rorschach (added to DC) will be removed

Given that the whole intro starts and ends with pure yellow, that should be easy enough. Re: intercutting the Fight with the cops talking, Will you tint the footage? - In the comic the fight flashbacks are kind or red tinted. And yeah, Rorschach vs the two cops in Blakes appartment didn't really add anything for me, just padding.

I'm a watchmen noob, surely not going to tear to apart for edit choices...Just commenting on things I've noticed.

Over-the-top aspects of Veidt's assassination attempt toned down (perhaps - I don't have a huge problem with the scene as is)

I would love to see this tightened - It's needlessly gorey, for example a girl gets her fingers blown off in slow motion. We can still get a sense of danger without a lot of this.

No superhuman feats during the Veidt/Dan/Rorschach fight (though the bullet thing will, of course, stay) - this will be tricky.

I agree, The bullet catch is less impressive with the other stuff on display, it should remain a surprising moment.

Rorschach will die alone as in the GN

Are you still having trouble with this scene? in the end you may have to remove the blue glow as much as possible, then paint out Dan then add a new glow. Regardless it could be tedious.

Oh, and I decided to take your idea nad reverse it - purely as an experiment, the results were less than stellar but I found it interesting....

Having watched the film again last night for the first time since the cinema, I have a renewed interest in what you are trying to do here.

Feeling inspired i thought I'd do a quick mock up for one of the ideas [sort of] suggested - It's far from perfect [the font is wrong for one thing] but mainly I was just trying to keep it in the style of the main titles without being intrusive.

And have you considered at all maybe inserting Narration form the motion comics? - Although i dunno where you'd fit it since Rorschach berely ever seems to stop talking. I guess in the film he kind of IS the Narrator.

Also, I dunno if this is useful to you at all, but I found it to be an interesting read. Found it by accident...

http://www.lettercult.com/archives/387

Wouldn't it be more interesting to say, choose 5 people and send each of them 1/5 of the film?

Firstly it gives more incentives and secondly with less runtime each person can focus more on the segment they have - re: feedback. Thirdly there'd be far less issue [I'd assume] of someone potentially doing what you don't want with the workprint.

C3PX said:

Also, I like your idea of adding the ending quote from the GN before the credits. Have you considered adding all the chapter quotes into the film? Not sure if it would work, but I think it might be kind of cool to divide up the chapters with a fade to black>white text with quote>fade to next scene. Again, not sure if this would work, or just mess up the pacing, but at the moment it sure looks cool in my head as I imagine it.

I'd like to see that too...if it works. If you are going to do an edit like this then you may as well go all the way - otherwise it's just making a long movie longer.

yes indeed.

Yes, The Bingowings you listen...

My personal feeling is that 3 hours and 38 minutes is far too long to ask of an audience in a single sitting, Primarily I'd be suggesting ways to cut this down to a fair and reasonable runtime. I'm also making notes in general. I should say right here that this may come across as overly negative but I'll try to be as costructive as possible. [I wont be watching this in a single sitting]

* This is probably an encoding error but the aspect ratio seems WAY wrong. Is it meant to be Anamorphic?

Prologue //

maybe it would have been best to start with the Ian McDiarmid speech? It sums things up better [and quicker] than a vague quote and a scene with 3 random guys fighting. - Random from the POV of a first time viewer.

If you want to show the "great despair" - maybe showcase elements from several battles where the "bad guys" have the upper hand [or high ground if you will.], then the focus would seem to be on the emphasis of the opening qoute and tie in nicely with Ian's Monologue.

The only way I'd see the opening duel having significance is if we saw it again later in an expanded fashion, but it already seems expanded here, Honestly [and this is only my opinion] almost all of the fight just seems like a detraction from the story rather than a setup.

I would strongly suggest using the scenes following the main title logo as a Prologue of sorts [or cold opening] before the main titles.

Are you planning on including subtitles for the Nemoidians? - It's a long time to watch their back and forth without having any idea of what they are saying or implying, which basically makes their talky scenes boring AND pointless - since we don't learn anything the plot sort of stumbles for a bit. - I fail to seen the point in redubbing them if the scenes still play out in the same fashion - redubbing would allow freedom and flexibility i would think, and that opportunity is kind of wasted here.

Again it feels like there is much padding here between the scenes that matter to the plot. You don't explicitly show the Queen travel to Coruscant - she is in one place, then we see a ship arrive, and we see her in another place. Would it be simpler to simply imply she is already on Couscant - and trim her out of the "occupation of Naboo" scenes?

I like the idea of cutting back to the Naboo politicians conferring before the senate meeting.

* I notice that the colours during certain scenes [flashbacks?] bleed out into the black bars quite a bit.

When we first see Anakin we also see a lot here featuring Quigon, Who already died in the Prologue - this makes things a bit disjointed - and this is NOT presented as a flashback as you've set up a style to denote that, which is NOT present here.

* looks to be some sort of error on the Maul reveal shot - there's a flicker of his face, close up as the doors are opening..

Again we haven't really met Darth Maul [as the sith apprentice they make refernce to] before we see him here. So he's kind of just a face.

Why are we seeing studio logos 24 minutes into the movie? - that's a bit out of pace isn't it?

The cuts between time periods are also beginning to get quite jarring, imo.

That's all I've got right now, I need to take a break.

a few tie fighters alone would look pretty good imo, cutting through the fog as people begin to scramble...

Trooperman said:

It's really nice to hear from you, C3Px.  You too, hairy_hen.  We would love another dub from you.  The general feeling from Paul was that the voice worked, but the quality of the recording itself was not up to the rest of it.  

Well, my mind is made up.  See you in a week or two.  

 

P.S. I will be checking my PMs for mailing addresses in the next couple weeks;)

For the edit in it's current state?

Can't say for sure but you MIGHT find what you are after @ trekcore.com- I'm sure they have stuff like that, just not sure on the quality.