Johnboy3434

Wow. What a thoroughly pointless topic. You made this... why, exactly?

rcb said:

the reason he hadn't labeled ANH episode IV was 'cause he didn't think it would do all that well in theaters and since it did, he retitled it a new hope. Fox was on his crack about finishing or even having the idea of a star wars movie. so george hid TESB and ROTJ.

Originally it was one big movie, but the script was a little long and had too many gaps in it. again, i like having a firm grip on the timeframe of when events occured.

Except that none of what you have "a firm grip on" is true. The "one big movie" story is a flat-out lie. Back in '77, the only script that existed was for ANH (which wasn't ANH at the time).

Skyjedi brings up a point I don't see mentioned often here: Why hasn't anyone done a DVD transfer of the TPM LD? I mean, you guy are all about preservation, right? Well, here's something that needs preserving! Seriously, though, it would be nice to see it. Maybe the X0 crew wouldn't mind doing that as a bonus after their masterpiece version of the OOT is available (even as an admitted revisionist, I'm still looking forward to that).

Just wait. Patience is the key. As nasty as this sounds, Lucas is going to die pretty soon if he keeps gaining weight like this, and then we won't have to deal with his meddling. On the other hand, once he does die, the real corporate types are going to take over the franchise, basically have a committee write the stories for the authors to "adapt", and the situation might get worse. Or they might allow the writers more freedom than a dictatorial visionary would and it will get better. Who knows?

bkev said:

You can digitally download most of the original series of power rangers. That, and import from Germany.

I already have the first three seasons on my hard drive, but I wish I could have them in DVD quality without having to buy a PAL-compatible DVD player.

Damn it! You made me think Power Rangers was finally getting season box treatment.

*long, heavy sigh*

When are people going to learn that petitions are useless? They're going to release whatever they're going to release, and our protests don't mean jack shit because for every person who refuses to buy it, there are ten others that jump at the opportunity. Nowadays the producers dictate to the consumers what they will get, instead of the consumers telling the producers what they want.

rcb said:

Otherwise, i don't see it happening with new characters only because of the novels and graphic novels they have out. it wouldn't fit.

You say that like LFL has any respect for the writers of the EU. This new movie alone has completely destroyed the continuity of the Clone Wars as set out in the novels and comics. This is my one fear concerning the inevitable sequel trilogy (trust me, once Lucas is dead, he will have no more power over the company's action; then we will know the real meaning of the phrase "milking it for all its worth"): it will likely cause such huge errors in the story that they will have no choice but to erase all the post-RotJ material (i.e., the vast majority of the good ones) from the timeline.

JamesEightBitStar said:

Its really all a shill, because the bottom line is you don't need to care. The whole Earth-1/Earth-2 thing happened because the writers at DC were geeks and they realized there were inconsistencies in their stories. For some stupid reason comic authors have this idea that their universes must be one big, internally consistent tapestry, so they decided that--rather than just admitting they were goofs and finalizing a truth later (which would be the SMART thing)--they would come up with this convoluted "there's two Earths" theory and try to shoehorn everything into one or the other (for comparisons sake, it would be like trying to explain away Artoo-Detoo's powers of flight by claiming Attack of the Clones took place on Earth-2). It's worth noting that no other type of writer thinks like a comic book writer (thank god!)

Golden Age stories tended to have very straightforward, black and white morality. The hero is right, the villain is an evil jerk who deserves to have a house fall on him, and no questions asked.

Well, in their defense, Arthur C. Clarke was the same way with his 2001 series of novels. When he realized certain plot points simply didn't work in between novels, he simply said that each one took place in its own parallel universe. Which, if you ask me, completely defeats the purpose of making them a series in the first place. On the other end of the respectability spectrum are the Leprechaun films, otherwise known as the single most pointless string of films ever (I refuse to even call them a series). Like the 2001 novels, each Leprachaun film takes place in a universe all its own (you could make an argument that the 1, 2, and 4 exist in the same timeline, but there's nothing to indicate such a relationship), and it gets annoying as Hell after 6 films.

Oh, and does anybody else miss superhero stories like in the Golden Age? Why does everything have to be so complicated? What happened to the days when "this is the bad guy, watch him get his ass kicked" was a respectable form of story-telling? Now, everything has to be "gray" and "thought-provoking". Listen, you dick-faced philosopher-wannabes, an audience shouldn't have to flip a coin to decide which character to root for!

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Sorry about that.

Well, I have to admit, this film did NOT fit into the general tone of the Star Wars movies (even the PT). It didn't even feel like a SW movie. And yet, now this is the strange thing... it made me feel like a kid again. I've always kept up with the expanded universe (not necessarily READ it, but kept up with what was happening), so when I went to see the PT, and when I watch the OT now, I keep thinking of what happened before, after, and during the events I'm watching. It ceased being a fun movie-watching experience and became a brief window into an epic, galaxy-spanning saga. The Clone Wars, however, was like tuning into an episode of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers (Season 1).

And I mean that in a good way. It's all there: the undisguisably cheesy dialogue, the paper-thin characterization, the flashy battle sequences, and villains that are somehow a threat despite a nearly universal state of incompetence. It was perfectly childish, and it was up there on the big screen. And I loved it for that. Unfortunately, those are the same reasons why most of you (and everybody, really) are going to dislike it, but opinions are like assholes: everybody is one.

EDIT: I SWEAR I meant to type "has", but that typo is just too hilarious to correct.

skyjedi2005 said:

They guy is a self labeled Machiavellian dictator over his films. He admits he's a stubborn ass and wants things his own way, but says he won't apologize.

Why should he?

I have just recently become interested in the world of comic book superheroes (more specifically, the DC Multiverse and all the baggage that comes with it). To help get acquainted with the DC heroes, I've downloaded the complete series of Batman and Superman comics from their core ongoing series (yes, I realize there's scads of spin-offs, one-shots, and limited series, but I'm sticking with the basics as a starter). My friend Erik, who is a total comic junkie, says that superhero comics are divided into 4 "Ages". The boundaries for those ages that he gave were:

Golden Age: Began with Action Comics #1 (June 1938)

Silver Age: Began with Showcase #4 (October 1956)

Bronze Age: Began with Amazing Spider-Man #122 (July 1973)

Modern Age: Began with Crisis on Infinite Earths #12 (March 1986)

What exactly does this mean? What differentiates one age from another? Also, I've read up about how the DC authorities devised the Multiverse system in an attempt to keep the core superheroes young, and the deal with moving the "main" continuity from Earth-Two to Earth-One during the 50s, 60s, and 70s. But, I'm not entirely sure when this big shift is supposed to take place as I read the Batman and Superman comics. At what point do I suddenly clear my mind of what happened prior and begin with a new slate? Will they announce it in the comics, or will I need to know ahead of time?

zombie84 said:

Yes, it is true. There was 1 person in Germany, 3 in the US (one from michigan and 2 in california I believe), 2 from Canada and one from Japan. It was very sad. There was talk of prosecuting George Lucas for manslaughter but I guess his crack team of lawyers took care of it. We can only hope that when The Clone Wars animated film comes out we don't have a repeat scenario.

Err... was that dark humor? Quite frankly, if I was Lucas, and someone brought those charges against me, I would personally call all the families in question and LAUGH. What can I say? I have zero tolerance for frivolous prosecution.

Mielr said:

That's a line right out of Go-Mer-Tonic's book. ;-)

You cut me to the quick. I learned more about Go-Mer-Tonic in Zombie's TF.N thread for Secret History than I ever cared to. He was even more repetitive than SkyJedi.

No. No, no, no, no, no. You see, you can't say you're not an ass-kisser and bandwagonner just because you avoid one ass and one bandwagon. Every post you make is a glorified kiss to the collective ass of every OOT junkie and a celebrated leap onto their wagon of bands. It's time for you to give it a rest, and post something on this forum besides complaints. I think a good many non-gushers would agree with that last part, at the very least. Your posts have jumped the border of "enlighten", shot straight past "clarify" and landed squarely on "annoy".

Oh, and the folks on TF.N are not ass-kissers. They are simply pleased with what they have, and it's poor form to lambaste them for that. Or is it against your religion to be content?

skyjedi2005 said:

Lucas quotes on Indy V:

 

“If I can come up with another idea that they like, we’ll do another. Really, with the last one, Steven wasn’t that enthusiastic. I was trying to persuade him. But now Steve is more amenable to doing another one. Yet we still have the issues about the direction we’d like to take. I’m in the future; Steven’s in the past. He’s trying to drag it back to the way they were, I’m trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension. This recent one came out of that. It’s kind of a hybrid of our own two ideas, so we’ll see where we are able to take the next one.”

 

"Indiana Jones only becomes complicated when you have another two people saying ‘I want it this way’ and ‘I want it that way’, whereas, when I first did Jones, I just said, ‘We’ll do it this way’ — and that was much easier. But now I have to accommodate everybody, because they are all big, successful guys, too, so it’s a little hard on a practical level."

 

focus on this part "I’m in the future; Steven’s in the past. He’s trying to drag it back to the way they were, I’m trying to push it to a whole different place"

Now think of those horrid cgi pieces and bad storytelling in IV and they are all Lucas because he is in the future, LOL.

If he had his way the whole thing would have been done in a computer and be absolute crap like episode 1-3.

I don't envy spielberg one little bit he had a backseat director the whole time on Indiana Jones IV. He tried steering the film closer to raiders and last crusade and lucas wanted a prequel-ized version of Indy.

He was not fortunate to have lucas muddy his film and ruin it.

Lucas should have directed it so he could take all the blame.

 

Nobody but lucas could have destroyed 2 beloved franchises in 9 years time. instead of killing two birds with one stone.

Star wars Trilogy 1977-1983 R.I.P.

Indiana Jones Trilogy 1982-1989 R.I.P.

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negative1 said:

uh.....yes,

that was also stated above..

later

-1

I see the joke flew over your head.

Yeah, I've been thinking about it, and between Wookieepedia and the Star Wars Timeline Gold, I don't really need this. Well, I guess it's slashery goodness for me this Christmas!

What?! This can't be right! After the deposit, this box's price is OVER FOUR THOUSAND!!!!!!

Hmm... what to ask my parents for come Christmastime: this, or all six Texas Chainsaw Massacre films?

Well, I'd do the same thing that y'all have going on, but I'd do it for every version of every Star Wars film (pre- and post-ANH SW, pre-SE ESB and RotJ, 1997 OT, 2004 OT, pre-DVD PT, IMAX AotC, and DVD PT). Then I'd release it on a 15-disc BD set with every deleted scene totally cleaned up and finished, plus a bunch of extras that I'd leave up to the marketing department.

CO said:

So please don't say there were flaws in the OOT when it comes to effects because there wasn't one complaint from fans from 1977-1996.

Actually, I wasn't talking about aesthetic changes like those made to Cloud City. I was referring to matte lines and such.

Mielr said:

"Fanboys"? No, "fanboys" are people with their lips krazy-glued to Lucas' ass. In other words, people who can't think for themselves and frequent TF.N.

I disagree. You certainly are fanboys. Just not of GL. You see the OOT as the perfect version of the Star Wars trilogy, despite several (mostly unavoidable) flaws that were fixed in the SE's. Your ability to look past these technical flaws parallels the gushers' ability to look past GL's flaws as a storyteller. Hence, you are fanboys, and there'e nothing wrong with that.

JamesEightBitStar said:

EDIT: By the way, I'm not totally convinced that all the points that video brings up are edits. Goku's father being a scientist for example... remember that when they made that episode, the Bardock special hadn't been made yet, and probably Toriyama didn't even have an inkling of an idea that he'd eventually do a story about Goku's dad. So they could say whatever they wanted about him and it would stick.

Except the original speech Vegeta gave in the Japanese version said nothing about Burdock being a scientist (it was really just a huge block of treknobabble about how the Moon Blast is able to transform a Saiyan), and by the time they dubbed that episode, the special had been out for several years.

And Speed Racer! Don't forget Speed Racer.