Joel

Was this ever scanned completely? 

poita said:

A quick image from an incomplete 35mm print loaned to me by an Australian collector.

No cleanup done as yet, but the colour is pretty close to the print itself.

 Grainy! I'm digging the colors though!

On my monitor here, there's too much green in the second shots, and WAY too much green in the the third.

RE: the screen caps above, still too much green IMO. At least on my monitor.

Glad you're home, safe and well.

SilverWook said:

…. I think we ought to see how that Super 8 version turns out.

Word.

SilverWook said:

I don't think it could be any better than the prints Puggo used. 

 This might be true, but since Poita now has a vastly superior way to capture 16mm, it'd be great to get a copy down to him. 

Alas, he's in the hospital or some kind of health clinic (right?) and I can't spare the cash...

I finally got to watch the WHIO DVD tonight - It's fantastic! 

Thank you, Tasjo, for making such a beautiful transfer available to all. 

bkev said:

Can nobody outside of off-topic read humor?

Thank you.

To explain:

Jettrel Fo, if you've never had a little brother or sister, or have never *been* that little brother or sister, you might not recognize it, but

Faellan is teasing you. It's only fun because you're responding with anger, outrage, etc.

Meanwhile, is DarthKenobi going to chime in with some details? 

Faellan's logic obviously wins this. 

RE: The clip DarthKenobi/Coltonlolz posted, I've previously never noticed how badly the stars jump around in the background windows on tight shots of Luke in this scene. 

That video compilation has been taken down, FYI.

That Empire trailer is cool!

poita said:

red5-626 said:

I would think that would still be much better than 1080p
Maybe 2 ½ K?
But small enough that you could share it.

I'm not sure many people would want much larger than 1080P anyway, as few have displays capable of higher resolution in their loungerooms.

 

Wait a sec - guys, isn't the -1 project being captured at less than 2K anyway? Or did something change?

Oh no! Fire-related? Forgive me if you've already shared the story (and possibly point me to the correct thread?). 

Get well soon. 

Menus look fantastic! 

The Reel 3 stuff is outstanding!

frank678 said:

This is a good frame to show the effect the yellowy-green tint has in de-redding GOUT

E.C. Edition

You're using the Thermos reference palette, then?

Aw, it's OK, but thank you for saying so!

AntcuFaalb said:

...

In conclusion, it's not just about pushing buttons and waiting for progress bars to finish. The team has to painstakingly examine and restore each and every one of the ~175,000 frames in Star Wars.

If you want to better understand what's involved in digital film restoration, then please PM me and I'll hook you up with everything you need to try it out first-hand. 

First, thanks for stepping up to explain this.

If I understand correctly, the answer to my question is that 
1) there are 1-3 people on the team,
2) each person is only working on it occasionally, not several hours per day or even every day. 

re: "In conclusion" No one said anything about "pushing buttons and waiting for progress bars to finish" and I certainly didn't mean to suggest that any of this was easy work. My question was why this "team" was taking so long.

I understand what is involved with digital film restoration.I have been in a position where I worked daily with digital film restoration people, and I trained (briefly) in visual effects at Technicolor. Among other things, I have rotoscoped, removed wires from special effects shots, and fixed still photos in my career.

The restoration guys I knew used software that allowed quick comparison of small areas of the frame to the previous and next frames, going several forward or back as necessary. This allowed quick replacement and blending of repaired areas. They would do thousands of tiny fixes in an 8 hour day. I'm afraid I don't know the name of the software and for all I know it could have been proprietary. 

So my frame of reference is a team (2 guys working 8 hours per day) cranking out MANY cleaned frames daily, thousands of fixes.  When "Team -1" says something takes weeks,  i keep picturing a process similar to the one I know, but you're saying that's clearly not the case.

One person manually fixing each frame sounds like a nightmare, but it's not necessarily a "few seconds of footage every week" kind of nightmare unless you're only spending a little time on it every week. That definitely explains why it's taking years.

team_negative1 said:

A couple of weeks will clean a few seconds of film.

Team Negative1

Argh - forgive my frustration here, but this vague, grammatically-challenged proclamation doesn't even address my question, it just re-states what I already said - in essence, "This is taking a long time."

My question is: WHY does it take a couple of weeks? I'm curious as to why it's taking so long, that's all. 

Since physically cleaning a few frames takes less than 1 second, we must be talking about digital cleanup.

I'm a digital media guy, so I'm having a hard time understanding why it would take someone with a modern computer *weeks* to do anything.  Photoshop, After Effects - is the "team" using these? If not, why not? 

Am I grossly oversimplifying?! Probably!

team_negative1 said:

 

For those that doubt we have the print, or what portions of it, you'll see that from the very first frame of the intro, to the last frame of the credits.

Do people still doubt you have prints? After what, 3 years of posting these teasers,  2 websites going up and coming down,  and 9,000 pages of questions answered?

My only question is that with a "team" working on it, and with so much talent here on the forum, why isn't at least one film restoration finished?

This is a serious question, not a complaint.

As a former post-production person, I am picturing a workflow after manually cleaning the film:
1) scanning 
2) digital cleanup
3) color correction
4) audio sync
5) make a video master

If I were the project manager, I'd have 12 people each take 10 minutes of one film, do digital cleanup (with predetermined rules from team -1) for a couple of weeks, then send it all back for final color correction. Is this not feasible? Too much chaos introduced? 

poita said:

The differences between 2K, 4K and 10K are shown on page 20 of this document, which is great reading for anyone wanting an overview of film scanning.

http://c-sideprod.ch/wp-content/medias/2012/10/4K_plus.pdf

I finally got around to reading this - the parts I could understand, anyway. 

As I understand it, scanning a 16mm print at 4K is ideal, but 6k is the minimum adequate for a 35mm negative. That said, if you get your hands on any 35mm prints, would you be scanning at 4K, 10K, or something in between?

Apologies if you have addressed this elsewhere. 

nightstalkerpoet said:

It occurs to me every time I watch the Red Letter Media review that Plinkett is wrong when he says there is no main character in TPM. 

Jar Jar Binks is the main character - the problem is noone wants to admit it.

Very late to the party here, but you make a strong case. He seems to be the only character with a story arc, making Jar Jar, arguably, the protagonist... wow!

Did you ever finish this? It's inspiring me to want to do something similar! 

clashradio said:

I use a program called DVD Audio Extractor. It rips all six tracks as WAV files. Then you can listen to each track and see which one you want to use for background music etc.

Thanks for sharing this! Downloading now. 

In these clips, the "top" clip looks kind of yellow and dark, the bottom more pink and blue. 

What are we supposed to be seeing here?

poita said:

Nice.

This is going to keep me busy for the rest of the week it looks like:

http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/dsp_content.cfm?cat_id=683

but hopefully once I am off duty again, I can get onto the other films in the trilogy.

Be careful out there, you are a sane voice and a true benefactor here. You also seem like a good guy.

Even if you weren't all of those, I'd wish you well -  Fires are scary stuff. What is your role? Are you a firefighter?

*retracted - too silly*