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I don't get it.

I remember listening to Irvin Kershner on the audio commentary and he explained that the torture device was supposed to do all sorts of stuff to Han. I vaguely remember him saying that it involved spikes and saw blades! Ouch. I'd love to see that footage.

What's canceled?

3. new star fields

Didn't the Director's Cut already do this, or are you going with something different?

2. computer screens will get make-over; may consider altering consoles in some way to have more viewscreens and less switches.

I do believe the Nostromo was meant to be a low-tech ship. Adding screens would seem out of place especially considering the mother chat room only has one interactive screen inside it.

3. bouncing helmet in background will be stabilized/static.

Aww. Why? If your going to do that, you might as well remove the banging chair, flapping paper and the bird drinking deco. I myself think that movement in what looks like an abandoned ship makes it more eerie than a ship that's perfectly still.

4. smoke will be deleted when Nostromo detaches from docking arm

Aww, but Scott said he liked that effect, even admitting it makes no sense.

3. may slow down Kane's POV of the face-hugger so we can better see what is happening.

Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of the shot? Sure, it's hard to spot what's going on, but there is merit to it. "Oh, god. What just happened?" can be a lot more effective. The more you see the Alien doing it's thing, the more comfortable one will be with it.

4. early plotpoint had Ripley being Dallas' lover; if possible, I will be "adding" Ripley laying beside Dallas when Ash calls him in the shuttle (this will set up the cocoon scene later if used)

NO! Don't do that! Ripley is meant to be a very independent character who is supposed to be in conflict with Dallas, not be his bed mate. And it's totally out of place considering that these two argue with each other over orders and command responsibilities. Leave that 'lover' stuff in Alien3 where it belongs (And if you ever get a chance to do ALIEN3, delete the lover stuff).

10. will do some slight editing to the "Dallas in the airshaft" sequence: the camera will close in on him as he descends the ladder, so when he turns the light towards us it will cut to the Alien jump scare (that way we won't see the Alien stuck in the wall).

Well, it's your edit, but I think cutting to the ALIEN the moment Dallas shines his light towards the camera is a bit to quick. Plus, we'd be cutting parts of Lambert's line "No, not that way! Wait! The other way Dallas!"

Those are my thoughts anyway.

Happy Birthday Adywan!

I'm going to bump this just for the sake of attention.

Any new progress Fan Filtration?

Is there something else that you think might be wrong with it? Audio or transition wise?

FanFiltration said: Does anyone see a problem just after the "Directed by" credits, and just before the cloud fades in?

I just looked at it a moment ago and all I could spot was a tiny white scratch at the bottom left of the frame. Nothing too major since dirt and scratches abound in the transfer. 

dark_jedi said: I personally do not look at this as a competition,because hands down the Blu-ray will look and sound a 100 times better,these are 2 different things.

Well, obviously it's not competition because this version isn't for sale! And a film looking 100x better on BluRay is sort of inaccurate since restoration and remastering work have been done on TMP, where no such effort was made on the Director's Edition (It's still fudge ugly). The way the film is looking on BluRay certainly surpassed even my expectations. 

Oh, dear. Fanfiltration, you just got new competition from the BluRay edition of Star Trek: The Motion Picture. 

ST:TMP BluRay

It seems that 2 and 4 were NOT the only editions Lowry Digital restored on their high-powered Macs.

adywan said:It was meant in a jovial kind of way and not meant to be insulting, but since we lost the smilies i always put "lol" at the end when it is meant in a light hearted way and not to mock the person i was replying to. I apologise if you took it that way

No problem at all Ady. Thank you for the understanding and good luck!

What missing footage are we talking about again?

adywan said: Well i think you need to go back and rewatch ROTJ then because the space battel has many shots where there is no single focus point. in these shots there are many focus points.lol

Come on, Adywan. I was trying to give you my perspective on the sequence you redid in the most mature way I could, cause you said you like mature feedback. However, I don't find your response mature in how yock me as someone who doesn't know his Star Wars and 'lol' in my face in front of everyone here. And why should I re-watch Return of the Jedi? I'm watching the Empire Strikes Back here. And yes, I've seen Return of the Jedi, and for all intents and purposes, it is not The Empire Strikes Back in a lot of ways. This is not a critique based on how it compares with the entire saga, but based on what I'm seeing. 

You're a smart person Adywan and I know you know a lot about Star Wars. And while I do not approve of some of the various changes you do to the movies, I do understand and respect the reasons on why you do them (well, from now on). Just please don't 'lol' me, it's not cool.

Nice work on the new Cloud City shot, but you think you can gray out the front clouds a little bit? It looks like the front cloud layer is getting more light than the clouds that are in front of the sun. It's almost like it's getting light from a different sun altogether that isn't setting.

adywan said:

the rebel transport and two x-wings escape from the planet, head directly towards a stardestroyer that just sits there and practically waits to get blasted so the rebels can escape. Now , adding a few lasers coming from the stardestroyer and having one of the xwings destroyed makes perfect sense and boosts the peril that the rebels are in. it isn't "focus distracting" as you say because there was no single focus in that scene.

Well, I guess it all boils down to one's interpretation on 'why' the Star Destroyer was just standing there in the first place. When the commander is informed that the rebel ships are trying to escape, he didn't say "Arm the turbo lasers and prepare to destroy them!", he said "Good, our first catch of the day". And since the Star Destroyer wasn't shooting at them, it's a pretty logical conclusion that they were planning on capturing the ships with their tractor beams. Kind of like how the Star Destroyer at the end of the movie wasn't firing on the Falcon when it was getting it's Tractor Beam ready.

And I think billing that effects sequence as having "no single focus in that scene" is disingenuous. I cannot contemplate the folks over at ILM saying "We're making an effect shot with no focus point". I don't know any FX team that has ever made a visual effects shot that didn't have a focus point. The new Battlestar Galactica, with all it's camera shakes and random zooms even have a focus point to follow. And during the Rebel Escape, there is a single focus point in the sequence. The three shots that involve the Ion Blasts. You follow them from being shot out of the canon to hitting the star destroyer consecutively. Adding in laser shots, the X-Wing blowing up and more sound effects to be used with the new effects definitely distracts the viewer from the Ion Blasts which are the focus point. It's the same reason you gave about the Falcon display. If it isn't distracting you then you aren't looking at it proves it doesn't need to be there in the first place. Well, it's hard to keep focus on the Ion Blasts when an X-Wing explodes out of nowhere in the middle of a laser barrage. 

I can understand how you don't find it distracting, but you're the editor. You know the sequence like the back of your hand. I on the other hand am the viewer who doesn't know the sequence like you do and I see it differently. I see a sequence that loses it's focus point by burying it in extra sound and visual effects that weren't there to begin with. Because originally, the focus was on the Ion Blasts.

And for adding more "peril" into the sequence, I don't think it needs it. The real peril should start where it did all along. During the ground battle where things go down hill from shot one of the AT-ATs. It's a structure thing. :)

DuTwan said:Though the millenium falcon does have hologramatic displays for a game like chess, does that mean it has to have a hologram of bespin etc. Even TPM only had display screen, remember Obi Wan checkin out Tatooine?

Oh, I agree that it's kind of out of place, but this is Han Solo, the man who would modify the heck out of any scrap to fit to his likings. The scene is fine the way it is now, but if it was included, it wouldn't be too far-fetched that Han would have something like that in a ship he loves so much.

DuTwan said:

Ladies and gentleman please move onto another subject, no hologram in that scene, end of. Deal with it lmao.

Aww. That's not too nice.

Personally, I like the work that has been done on this sequence. I don't think it should be changed for reasons already stated, but I think the work that's been done are commendable and very professional looking. The holo display isn't in your face and the characters sync with what's on screen nicely so it doesn't throw the focus off.

I'd be much happier living with the holo display than the redone Rebel Transport that escapes from Hoth. That has all sorts of 'focus distracting' elements thrown into it that I'm surprised we even saw the Ion bolts at all.

Oh, the Millennium may be a hunk of Junk, but it DOES have holo-projectors. Chess anyone?

JediBorota said:

@ Adywan,

 

Instead of smashing the sets once you are done creating them...why don't you auction them off to your fans here??

I am sure that some of us would be more than happy to 'own' a piece of history in the Star Wars Revisited Timeline!!

 

Is that legal?

Doh. This is probably too late, but there are some Director's Editions effects that escaped my first viewing. 

00:20:22- The Enterprise's reflection during the tour of the Enterprise. There was no reflection in the previous versions.

00:21:21 - 00:21:28- Ok, this one is tricky, but it is a visual effects change. During the pan-down shot of the Enterprise, take note of the back end of the Travel Pod as it turns the oher direction. The Director's Edition of the effects are very smooth while the other editions have a very awkward looking 'black flapping' like effect behind the shuttle pod.

00:40:42- The Earth that is seen on the viewing screen in the "Departure Angle" shot is a new Director's Edition effect shot. The Earth from all other versions are pretty static and moves away at a much faster speed.

I'll keep in touch.

Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert! Emergency Alert! Negative control at helm! What ever it is, it's white hot!

I found another Director's Edition effect that escaped. Is it too late?

Ok. Here's another one.

During the walk to V'Ger near the end of the movie, after Ilia points and says "V'Ger!" we cut to a shot showing Decker, Spock, Kirk and Bones. In the theatrical cut, all we see are them and a little thunder noise being heard in the background. The Director's Edition adds two blue lightning effects to this shot.

You can see both lightning bolts absent on the 2nd DVD "Additional & Deleted Scenes" under "Wing Walk".

I don't blame you for missing this one at all. Even though the sound effects were changed in the Director's Edition to sound more dramatic, the original sound syncs up with the new lightning effects perfectly!

And this is probably me, but since it wasn't in the trims it may be out of your control.

After Kirk beams aboard the station to meet Scotty, I seem to recall a moment where he starts out still and than starts moving like he was in a troop march. The Director's Edition trims it where we see him walking from the start.

Again, this may be hard to catch since it's trimming wasn't shown in the trim's video on the DVD, but that's what my memory is trying to convince me of remembering.

P.S. Sorry I'm columboing you like crazy. If I thought of all these edits at the same time, I'd put it in one post. My apologies.

Oh!

You know the space station that Kirk beams to before he and Scotty take the travel pod to the Enterprise? Well, the last establishing shot of the station that shows the windows and the crew working inside, the Director's Edition put the Travel Pod into the scene where as in the original versions it wasn't docked.

Here's one I caught. 

During the Epsilon 9 introduction, there are two shots of the space man that differe from the Director's Edition to this edition.

Theatrical/Special Longer Edition: It shows the space man flying past us, than cuts to a slow pan down shot of him using his thrusters to gain speed.

Director's Edition: The shots have been switched where it now shows the space man using his thrusters and than cutting to the shot of him passing the camera.

The Director's Edition is the one you used.

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