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You know what would be great....to have all the numbers in 1 post.  Frame counts are obviously important for synch.  Is there any chance those of you who are good with this angle could accumulate the SE frame counts with reel changes to help some of us better understand the synch of the video/audio of these 3 movies?

Huge thanks to ALL who are making this possible.

Cheers!!!!

Fang Zei said:

You_Too said:

LexX said:

Are you really saying that you'd rather leave more image out than that small change?

That was not my point. The point is who knows how many small changes here and there like that one are in the blu-ray release? Just take that little thing about the green clothes being changed to red in the Cantina scene in SW, which was pointed out just before Harmy released his version.

That's one reason why the blu-ray version probably shouldn't be used to create a theatrical version in HD. At least from a purist perspective.

But knowing the PT is not as old as the OT, there should be lots of unfaded prints out there which would look better than both the HDTV version and blu-ray.

It's true there are many changes both great and small.

For example, I remember those online text commentaries they did for the dvd's (I think they were called "depth commentaries") and something that was pointed out during an establishing nighttime shot of Theed in TPM (right after the "Weesa goin' Home!!!" and the Queen's ship blasting away from Coruscant) was that George requested that a bridge be added over the river on the right hand side of the frame specifically for the dvd release.

Actually, it might've been that the river wasn't even there at all in the original theatrical. I don't remember, it's been a while.

Someone with either the widescreen vhs or the laserdisc can confirm this for me.

Just checked my Widescreen VHS.....there is a river....there is no bridge.  I then checked the DVD....the bridge appears...it is at the end of the river where the waterfall would be seen.

^^^^^

The above image is from a thread over @ the 35MM Forum of an 80's print of Empire.  Picture was taken off screen from a cellphone.  Just thought it would be of interest.

This is certainly some encouraging news.  I just want a great looking SE with the legit DTS audio to boot.

The 5 Star Edition was a great idea when those folks put it out but it fell way short of anything it could have been and now WE here, have a chance to take it to a level far better.

Teamwork WORKS!!!!

:) 

SilverWook said:

http://makeitstoopid.com/comic.php?id=57

Ok, that is freeking funny.

What I'd like to know is why they'd be shifting colors individually in the first place?  From my first impression of the Blu-ray set, everything they did was to prepare for the 3D presentation.  Unfortunately, most everything they did was still noticeable.....and not in a good way, far as I'm concerned.

Bingowings said:

Now we can play Supersuttlewatch and try and pick the hokey from the cokey all over again.

Having a little fun is never bad for one's own health..... :)

http://geektyrant.com/news/2012/11/2/luke-skywalker-to-be-primary-focus-of-new-star-wars-trilogy.html?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_35551

Just a tidbit....

Alexrd said:

For those who are interested in an AotC preservation, which HDTV version will you use as a basis? I'm looking for one myself, but don't know what's the best version available (i.e: higher bitrate, etc...).

I don't know of any other different HDTV versions of AoTC.  Anything that's been compressed or re-compressed is going to look crappy anyways.

You_Too said:

pittrek said:

Episode 1 should be quite "simple" - all we need is to take the official BluRay, replace the scenes with Yoda with the colour-corrected HDTV capture, cut out all added scenes, and re-create the transitions using an upscale of the TB capture. The original 5.1 DTS track was released on some LD in Japan if I remember correctly. But I'm not sure about the cropping

The blu-ray has lots of DVNR, but of course, the HDTV version has lots of edge enhancement and both are bad in different ways. The best would of course be a scan of a theatrical print.

But for creating a theatrical version in HD, I would not choose the blu-ray as a source. With that blu-ray like with all other Star Wars films, Lucas has usually made some small changes here and there that people find much later.

Take this shot from DVDactive's comparison for example:

When you first look at it you think "Oh, they fixed some of the pink tint and it's less cropped too!" but then if you look closely at the path in the middle:

See how they made this little part brighter?

Those small changes are enough of a reason to not use the blu-ray for a theatrical HD version.

I can at least confirm that the TPM VHS is cropped like the DVD, the Japan LD I have has the same cropping. 

:(

You_Too said:

LexX said:

Are you really saying that you'd rather leave more image out than that small change?

That was not my point. The point is who knows how many small changes here and there like that one are in the blu-ray release? Just take that little thing about the green clothes being changed to red in the Cantina scene in SW, which was pointed out just before Harmy released his version.

That's one reason why the blu-ray version probably shouldn't be used to create a theatrical version in HD. At least from a purist perspective.

But knowing the PT is not as old as the OT, there should be lots of unfaded prints out there which would look better than both the HDTV version and blu-ray.

Agreed and agreed......  :)

Dolby Digital EX 6.1 Sound, THX Certified, Widescreen

( Catalog Number PILF2830 ) (THX) (2.35:1) (3 Sides) (CLV) (CC) (NTSC)

This is info I have seen for the Laserdisc of TPM.  I have it captured.  Each LD side has it's own DVD5.  MPEG2, 9.0Mbps, DD 2.0.

It would certainly need some fixing but it may be better than a digital source to start with, IDK, it's just an idea.

pittrek said:

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-four.html

You_Too has a link up for this ......

pittrek said:

Episode 1 should be quite "simple" - all we need is to take the official BluRay, replace the scenes with Yoda with the colour-corrected HDTV capture, cut out all added scenes, and re-create the transitions using an upscale of the TB capture. The original 5.1 DTS track was released on some LD in Japan if I remember correctly. But I'm not sure about the cropping.

I found this.....

Dolby Digital EX 6.1 Sound, THX Certified, Widescreen

Star Wars: The Phantom Menace

 

(Catalog Number: PILF-2830)(THX)(2.35:1)(3 Sides)(CLV)(CC)(NTSC)

LaserDisc: Special Features

• The Best Version on LaserDisc
• One of 3 Japan Only Dolby Digital EX 6.1 Releases
• The Last THX LaserDisc Manufactured
• Pressed in Limited Quantities on the 4th of July 2000
• Set of 4 Collector's Cards
• English Language with Japanese Subtitles Outside the Picture
• Presented in the Original Theatrical Aspect Ratio of 2.35:1
• Original Theatrical Trailer

 

Episode 2 would be more hard to do - the main problem is that we don't have (or "I" don't have) any good quality version of the changed scenes. When I did my theatrical version of E2 on DVD, I used an upscale of the VHS, and it looked stupid even in DVD resolution. Does anybody know a better source for the scenes than my old VHS?

Unless there is a well captured HD-TV broadcast out there, I don't know of any other than the DVD and Blu-ray...unless one would have the film reels for the theatrical release.

 

Episode 3 is the easiest to do, if the "experts" are correct it would be enough to mux the video from the BD with the audio from the DVD.

I'd guess if we could access the DTS Theatrical audio it might well be the same simple fix.

I know there are film versions available....it's a matter of money really.  This is why it probably won't happen any time soon.  Believe you me, if I could afford it I'd be buying the prints so they could get scanned.  I would do the same for the 1997 SE in the same circumstance.

I still can't figure out if the LD for TPM is cropped like the DVD or not cropped like the theatrical release and the Blu-ray.  It's so confusing sometimes....LOL.

I really just want to see the theatrical versions of these films to be preserved as they looked when they were released but with the OT being the main focus of this site it is highly unlikely that anyone with the skills will offer up their time on it. 

I know we all have lives outside of here but there seems to be a resistance to this due to the OT itself.  I am hoping one day it will happen and I'm thankful to all those who have done what they could with the time they had.  Every step closer is a good thing.

:) 

The 1997 Special Edition 5 Star DVD set looks BEST on a CRT television.  If you're trying to watch it on a Widescreen LCD or LED you are going to be disappointed.

Having the Laserdiscs and a player are probably your best option for the 1997 SE.

Unless of course you own a 35mm projector and prints of the films.

People are currently working on getting an archive project of these films in to full swing, although, patience is going to be needed as I don't see it coming to fruition for quite some time as it's NOT as popular as the OT is.

I believe this is the wrong section of the forum for this.  If it could be moved to it's proper place it might generate more discussion for the OP.

bigrob said:

 

found this intresting forum post regarding the BD DTS mixes on JP

 

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?15135-Jurassic-Park-Blu-ray-amp-Original-Audio

Disclord seems very knowledgeable about DTS but is very hard to contact.  I am a member of the AVS forums and have tried and failed to connect with him.

His knowledge could only benefit those wanting to work with DTS for preservation/archive projects.

Maybe he'll see or catch wind of us here and find it interesting enough to sign up and offer some assistance.

Thank you for this....very cool indeed.

FanFiltration said:

TServo2049 said:

I was watching this again, and noticed something odd - there's these weird jaggies, like it was deinterlaced by dropping half of the fields. It gives it this really low-res look.

I know that this project has been completed for a long time, but is there ever any chance of a revised version without these jaggies?

 As your teacher Mr. Spock is fond of saying, 'I like to think there always are possibilities"

I love the original work you did but I would love to see a cleaner Dual Layer release of this.  I'm a fan of this extended version. 

^^^^

That's gonna take me some time.  My capture skills are probably pretty basic and my knowledge and usage of AVIsynth is far less basic...LOL

How can I tell if my LD captures are frame accurate?  I've got my Japan LD captures of the S.E..  

It could give us another source to work with.

Any ideas? 

Brooks said:

I'm glad it's coming along, just let us know when we non-original-members can sign up :)

I second this....it'd be great to understand the process by seeing the progress.

Cheers!!!! 

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