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#611648
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Help: looking for... Prequel Preservations...
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The only problem I have with the TPM LD is that it appears to be cropped like the DVD although it is the Theatrical presentation.  I believe ALL the home video versions of it are.  The only one's that aren't are the 35mm film source and the Bluray (thought it contains the DVNR as well).

Too bad the Bluray couldn't be edited properly to reflect the Theatrical release...without the extended scenes....it would make a great version and could have the original DTS audio to enhance the experience.

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#611572
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Jetrell Fo said:


92. Star Wars (Original 1977 Version, no “Episode IV” inserted, vinegar smell) - $250.00
94. Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (Original 1980 Version, mix of Eastman and Fuji reels) - $500.00

Saw these over @ 35mm Forum in anyone is interested.....

Here's the word I got on Empire....

The Fuji reels have better color than the Eastman.  Eastman is a little pinkish, but still looks great on the big screen.  There is a little bit of vinegar smell, too.  It still plays fine and holds its color, but you can smell it a little bit.  Because of that, I'll knock the price down to $250.00+shipping.  Let me know if you're interested.

 

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#610534
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The 1997 OT Special Edition Trilogy Preservation Standards Thread (* unfinished *)
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CapableMetal said:

I'm not sure that I properly understand your question. If you mean the the 35mm reel would be the same length then we cannot be certain until someone examines a 35mm print with the time code on. If I had the money I'd try to buy one and check it out, but I don't so its academic at this point.

I've just checked the numbers for ESB and I'm showing each reel to be shorter than the times you have posted (unprocessed), all are SMTPE Film Sync 24fps time code (mm:ss:ff):

R1T5 = 21:38:03
R2T5 = 20:12:01
R3T5 = 21:55:01
R4T5 = 21:54:23
R5T5 = 20:04:23
R6T5 =  22:14:03

I guess I was wondering if the times I posted were the same as each reel of 35mm film for each movie.  The numbers you've posted might be totals without those extra change over audio bits at the beginning of each reel.

This stuff can be so hard to verify.  You'd figure there would be some websites where this info would actually be available no matter how "useless" the info might be to some.

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#610529
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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Chemical breakdown is destroying the world's movie film libraries and archives at an alarming rate. Technically "cellulose acetate decomposition" this self-catalyzing degradation of the movie film backing is more commonly known as "Vinegar Syndrome".

Once movie film has vinegar syndrome starts, there is only a small window of time, months, before the movie film starts to physically morph -- curl and stretch and then shrink. Once the movie film shrinks, it becomes brittle, and bowed. In some cases movie film may be treated with chemicals (reportedly camphor, etc.) that will temporarily allow it to run through a projector -- with much distortion in the images -- one last time.  This process is profoundly expensive and performed by only one or two labs in North America. Results are not guaranteed.

Vinegar Syndrome is contagious: Other movie film can be "infected" -- through the air. If you can "smell your movie film" -- any smell like vinegar -- you are losing it, fast! If YOU can smell it, then chances are that ALL your other movie film -- stored with the movie film that you CAN smell -- already has it, too. Run, don't walk, to digitize your movie film. Once Vinegar Syndrome starts, there is no way to reverse it.

Notice: Film with vinegar syndrome does NOT necessarily have an odor of vinegar. In many cases, physical morphing of the movie film -- causing it to curl and ripple, like the edges of macaroni -- can be seen without any odor. 

 

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#610514
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The 1997 OT Special Edition Trilogy Preservation Standards Thread (* unfinished *)
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These are unedited times for the reels on the DTS Cinema Discs for the 1997 Special Edition.

ANH (DTS Cinema)

R1T5 - 19:52
R2T5 - 21:29
R3T5 - 21:52
R4T5 - 16:55
R5T5 - 21:17
R6T5 - 22:14

TESB (DTS Cinema)

R1T5 - 21:41
R2T5 - 20:14
R3T5 - 21:58
R4T5 - 21:57
R5T5 - 20:07
R6T5 - 22:17

ROTJ (DTS Cinema)

R1T5 - 17:33
R2T5 - 20:30
R3T5 - 21:08
R4T5 - 19:40
R5T5 - 21:15
R6T5 - 20:22
R7T5 - 15:31

Okay, since these are the times of each reel of audio, and the film uses time code to sync the two together, would these times be accurate in regards to the 35mm films?  Aside from the additional bits that can be removed from this audio due it's being there just for change over of course.

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#610493
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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dlvh said:

Thanks...I know how to use Google very well, but I thought that the forum was somehow related to this site in some way. 

 

It was a general statement, sorry.  The 35MM Forum is a collectors forum for film buffs.  I've purchased some film trailers from there and made a few friends who've helped me obtain some of the Star Wars audio I've shared here for projects.  The folks share some good information about film and and it's history too.

It's a cool place.

:)

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#610486
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team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released)
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dlvh said:

Jetrell Fo said:


92. Star Wars (Original 1977 Version, no “Episode IV” inserted, vinegar smell) - $250.00
94. Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (Original 1980 Version, mix of Eastman and Fuji reels) - $500.00

Saw these over @ 35mm Forum in anyone is interested.....

Is there a link that you can post for us, as to the "35mm Forum"?

Google is a great tool......

http://www.35mmforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21246

I hope this helps some.

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#610301
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Idea: a Collaboration for something better than the GOUT!
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Ya know.....I mentioned something similar in another thread and it apparently wasn't appealing to people ..... probably because of the "idea" of competition without the word ever being sad.

The "competition" stigma is going to have to be thwarted before a project like this ever gets off the ground.

That being said....I don't know anything about color correction and clean up but I DO have some LD captures of the SE that might help yield something towards the cause.  Also, with the teamwork of others, the DTS cinema audio is out there to be shared for ANY project that needs it. 

That is all ....... :)

 

 

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#609697
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Superman I-III extended TV cuts & Info - Where have the Preservations gone? (Released)
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TServo2049 said:

Hello,

I was just thinking about the extended TV cuts of the first three Superman films. I used to have multi-gen VHS dupes back in the days of tape trading (which I stupidly got rid of at some point), and I've noticed that while fan edits are out there, I've had little to no luck finding preservations of the TV cuts themselves.

I know that BLAKSVN/ANGRYSVN did preservations of I, III, and the 93-minute cut of IV, but none of them are on MySpleen, and there haven't been any Usenet uploads within the last 4 years or however far back the longest newsreader retention periods go. 

The Superman II "Restored International Cut" preservation recently resurfaced on a certain public tracker. There's an AVI version of the first film there too (presumably derived from the BLAKSVN release), but a recent commenter said it only times out to 173 minutes. Even when you multiply that by 1.04 to account for PAL speedup, it still comes up 8 minutes shy of the full 188-minute running time, so either it comes from an edited broadcast or the AVI conversion was botched (I'm guessing the latter). The actual BLAKSVN preservation is out there, but there are no seeders, so it's stuck at 57.3%.

And as far as III and IV go, I've had no luck finding preservations of the longer cuts anywhere. With tracker and file locker shutdowns, deletions and link expirations on surviving lockers, old torrents going unseeded, and old Usenet uploads falling off the back end of retention periods, I'd hate to see preservations like these vanish into the mists of time.

So is there any way the BLAKSVN Superman preservations could be exhumed from obscurity and made available again?

I'd LOVE to see that "Restored International" Superman II preservation and the other extended releases.  For fans they are really great to have and it would be nice to see them resurface OR be redone to higher standards (if it's possible, of course) for everyone to enjoy.  I've never seen ANY of these yet so it would be cool.

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#609685
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The 1997 OT Special Edition Trilogy Preservation Standards Thread (* unfinished *)
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CapableMetal said:

eac3to is an excellent program, especially good at converting PAL audio to/from NTSC with no noticeable quality drop.

At the end of the day the best tools available are your ears and your judgment. If you hear no difference and you're satisfied then its probably good enough.

That said, I can confirm that Darth Mallwalker's method works perfectly and maintains synchronisation with the video at 23.976fps (no surprise there, of course!). I'm currently watching ESB having resampled the audio and adjusted the sample playback rate and everything is in sync and probably as pure as its going to get, including the volume adjustment; technically it could have been avoided but the source reels really are just too loud at their standard levels.

The standard levels being too loud...are you speaking about the way DTS has them set via the whitepaper on it?  My other question I guess is going to be, are you going to release a set based on your work?

:)

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#609389
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The 1997 OT Special Edition Trilogy Preservation Standards Thread (* unfinished *)
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msycamore said:

Darth Mallwalker said:

 

CapableMetal said:

the first frame of the last shot

Do you mean the last shot before wipe to credits?
(My 2004 DVD is sealed in polythene, so I can't even count that one.)
Using msycamore's proposed numbers (which I'm not endorsing yet) it came out to 183,826 in my script.
183.825 is the last frame of Mr.Shaw's ghost.

Are we in sync?
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/641/37828573.jpg

 

:) I decided to delete the Jedi files when I saw the quality of those sources, and I wouldn't trust those Jedi numbers I posted either before more investigation is done. I just did a quick compare against the US NTSC DVD, and those shouldn't be regarded as the final word on frame counts as the ESB DVD lack a few frames that are present in the '97 SE DVB's for example.

Those frames mentioned that are absent in the TB ESB can easily be restored by using the G'Kar (except 75305), that's how I did it.

As long as there can be an "as accurate as possible" frame count, it will all help out in the end.

Is there any way to determine frame count from the DTS audio?  Or at least a way it could help confirm them?  I did appeal to someone who might have some access to the 35mm prints but I have not heard anything back as of yet as to whether it was possible to get such counts, "per reel", to make it easier to match via the DTS audio.

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#609349
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The 1997 OT Special Edition Trilogy Preservation Standards Thread (* unfinished *)
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CapableMetal said:

Ok, here are the 'standardised' reel change numbers from the previous posts

 

ANH (originally posted by Darth Mallwalker):

0 = first frame

711 = STAR WARS title card appear

28343 = reel 2

59025 = reel 3

90295 = reel 4

117270 = reel 5

147672 = reel 6

 

ESB (originally posted by msycamore):

 

0 = first frame

711 = STAR WARS title card appear

30988 = reel 2

59815 = reel 3

91134 = reel 4

122461 = reel 5

151133 = reel 6

 

ROTJ (originally posted by msycamore):

0 = first frame

712 = STAR WARS title card appear

25055 = reel 2

54317 = reel 3

84511 = reel 4

112587 = reel 5

142918 = reel 6

172032 = reel 7

 

 

Also, I haven't checked the TB of ROTJ yet, but msycamore has previously reported "11 frames around the reel breaks and a few more at various points" missing.

Thank you CapapbleMetal, for posting it like this.  Seeing it like this tells me what frame a reel begins and ends at.  I learn better when I have a "frame" of reference (sad joke, I know) to go by.  I appreciate it.

My next learning experience will be to put together the audio for TESB & ROTJ like you did for ANH.  I've got all those mono files in each folder ..... I'm still trying to figure out how to combine them all properly in each folder so I can make 1 big audio file ... PMSL.  Since my only real experience with audio aside from listening has been some Vinyl archiving, I'm getting a real work out moving to surround sound.