Jetrell Fo

ray_afraid said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Bingowings said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Then frickin move to a place where you feel comfortable, safe, and treated equally.  Maybe then  we can actually have a real conversation with you and not the lone savior of the gay people. 

Hell, even Zorro The Gay Blade was far more compassionate, understanding and fun than you are these days.  yeesh.       

 The back of the bus?

No, someplace nice .... maybe the Philippines, Amsterdam, Spain ...... someplace where the landscape is beautiful and beautiful culture surrounds oneself.

 This is beyond insulting. Have you any idea what it takes to move to another country? Obviously not.

I don't remember addressing this to you .... I was answering a question from Bingo.

Bingowings said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Then frickin move to a place where you feel comfortable, safe, and treated equally.  Maybe then  we can actually have a real conversation with you and not the lone savior of the gay people. 

Hell, even Zorro The Gay Blade was far more compassionate, understanding and fun than you are these days.  yeesh.       

 The back of the bus?

No, someplace nice .... maybe the Philippines, Amsterdam, Spain ...... someplace where the landscape is beautiful and beautiful culture surrounds oneself.

Bingowings said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Bingowings said:

To equate homosexuality (an attraction to one thing over another) with a chemical addiction is such a stir but I've had it compared to child rape, motor vehicle theft and Gods knows what else on these boards so clearly the great liberal utopia people seem to think exists for homosexuals is as much a myth as the Garden of Eden.

 Good grief, Bingowings, is the purpose of those analogies still going over your head? How many times must I explain what I meant before you get it? This shows to me how little you care about other points of view and how little you want to understand other people. Even when I renounce a position I held earlier or apologize for my lack of clarity or lack of thought in a post, you still bring it up over and over and over again. Every thread in Off Topic seems to end up being about homosexuality and it isn't because other people keep attacking you for it. No, it's because you insist on beating a dead horse and bringing it up at every opportunity, twisting people's words around as if you didn't understand what they said (and you expect us to get what you're saying all the time!?).

I get that you've experienced a lot of hate and misunderstanding, but what will you accomplish by repeating yourself over and over again? Nothing. You will accomplish nothing--except for one thing: you used to seem like a great and fun guy, but as time progresses you seem more and more selfish, self-centred, and prejudiced. I doubt that's what you want to be accomplishing, so try considering a different approach if you want better results.

I would also appreciate it if you made more of an effort to see other people's point of view, took things out of context less often, and didn't twist other people's words around, making them look bad.

Yeah I'm selfish and self centred being the lone voice of defense (by the looks of things) for a large minority of the human race against the fairy tales and prejudice of a large majority of the humans race on this planet and clearly represented on these boards.

Thread after thread after thread based on various religions and the subject is picked up everywhere else too but I'm selfish because I bang the drum for homosexuality.

I bang other drums too.

I don't hear people moaning so much about my repeated mentions of animal rights or Korean horror movies but when the god squad are in town it's very selfish to defend my sexuality which I repeat is not chose or removable or even expressed much in the way of activity.

Why should make any special effort to see your point of view?

I grew up in a society steeped in thousands of years of history of your point of view. It's been drummed into me since the day I was born. It's everywhere. Adverts, cinema, books, television all depicting over and over again the heterosexual family model. My parents were heterosexual as were the vast majority of my relatives, friends and their relatives too.

I live in a country based largely in the Christian tradition. I was taught Bible stories all the way up to secondary school without an option to reject those lessons and opted for more when I went to sixth form college. My television license fee pays for Christian church services to be televised. I visit Christian places of worship on holiday.

It you who might get something new from trying to see my point of view (largely by not make stupid comparisons between homosexuality and a raft of negative activities) because it is the unusual one. The one we don't both share.

I've spent over four decades walking in your shoes try mine on for size.

Then frickin move to a place where you feel comfortable, safe, and treated equally.  Maybe then  we can actually have a real conversation with you and not the lone savior of the gay people. 

Hell, even Zorro The Gay Blade was far more compassionate, understanding and fun than you are these days.  yeesh.       

darth_ender said:

Well, actually I was referring to this thread and the subject that involves more folks.  I am glad about this neutral impasse.  But I'm far more interested in the argument that spans multiple threads and involves numerous users here.

Sorry darth_ender .....  I am unsure as to how that particular subject made it so far here though Bingo obviously does like to ramble some. 

darth_ender said:

Wasn't there a thread already devoted to the discussion that has taken up the last half dozen pages?

LOL, would YOU post in a thread with a title like that, especially if you saw your name in it?

I believe Frink and I have reached a neutral impasse at this point and neither one of us are complaining about it.

:) 

TV's Frink said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV's Frink said:

God's Frowny Face is my band's third album.

Not only NOT funny but NOT needed either.  You never quit do you? 

  What the hell?

I was going to say something about your comments, but instead made a light-hearted joke about a phrase Bingo said that made me laugh.  I even thought that you, a fellow Agnostic,  might appreciate it.

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, given how humorless you are.

Frink, I am sorry.  I'm so used to everything being a joke to you that I did not recognize it as you trying to lighten the mood.  There has been so much run around in this damn conversation that I figured you were taunting.  Thank you for clarifying your position about the remark.  

Light-heartedly speaking ..... I hope you're not that surprised by my comment considering, my apology is sincere.

Sorry Bingo but I'm finished with this "ring around the rosy" style of posting you seem to relish.  The only view you seem to believe in, cherish, and give sympathy to is your own.  Much like Frink's style, turning every corner in to another corner, it is wasted breath because the only perceived winner is always you even if your wrong.

I was just trying to join a conversation and glean some insight, not start World War Gay.

Anyways, I appreciate that you are you and that it brings you joy.  That is as it should be for every person in the world, not just a privileged few.

TV's Frink said:

God's Frowny Face is my band's third album.

Not only NOT funny but NOT needed either.  You never quit do you? 

Bingowings said:

I can't choose to be something I'm not. I could choose to be a bird and fly out of my bedroom window but the results would be messy (probably).

I could buy a jet pack and maybe I would get a fair distance but I wouldn't be a bird.

You could choose to have sex with member of the same gender, you might even like it but unless you were compelled to prefer it to sex with a lady of the opposite sex before you chose it you would just be a heterosexual having gay sex and there is a lot of that about too.

I have for as long as I can remember (2 or 3) been more drawn to bodies of the same gender before I even knew what sex was.

So how is that a choice?

The OP has and always will be hot like fire BTW.

I equate decision making with making a choice.  I did NOT say YOU chose to be gay.  In the end, it doesn't matter if I am gay or straight, in design and site I am human.  Since I am not gay I would have to chose to be because I'm straight ..... I would be making a decision.  

And BTW, leave Warbler alone.  He explained himself plainly and you STILL accuse him of persecuting you just because he believes in God and God says homosexuality is a sin.  He's already told you he is not your judge and jury and that he supports gay rights.  Besides, he's a Christian and I'm agnostic.  Our beliefs are as different as his and yours are.  Please discuss this reasonably or bow out.

Bingowings said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I am fine with people of the world pursuing the lifestyle of their choice as long as it's not forced on others .... just like my belief about religion as I am agnostic.

Quoting myself here ...... this was taken out of context because it was in a post I made dealing with the question of a 100% positive genetic link to homosexuality.

I personally have NO idea whether people who are gay or straight are genetically disposed to be that way.  That being said, I have no problem with how people chose to live.  Since I don't see any need to reaffirm my straightness I don't see a need for gay people to do the same.  We ALL bleed red.  We ALL have our own problems.  We ALL are people and that is the way I see it.  When people paraphrase and analyze stuff you've said I don't believe they are using enough information to back their suppositions.

The internet is cold enough without having others judge you by something taken out of context and it does nothing but make matters worse. 

You seem to be equating non-genetically determined behaviour with choice.

I didn't chose to be homosexual it's not a life-style option. I gave heterosexual sex a try but it didn't turn me heterosexual. I identify myself as homosexual and yet I very rarely have sex due to my ethical decision to remain faithful in a monogamous and largely sexless relationship.

This branch of the gaybate came from Warb equating his choice of religion with my allocated sexual preference.

What ever the determining factor for those sexual preferences are (genetic, in vivo chemisty, voodoo curse, alien abduction etc) choice was not one of them so the parallel falls flat.

I'm happy to see a more reasonable response from you.  And I apologize that you think I'm trying to equate these two things mentally.  I do not have any experience being homosexual so that is where my experience falls short. 

I could chose to be gay even though I'm straight and you could chose to be straight even though you're gay.  We can't even determine if genetics carries weight in either so where do we go from here?  I do NOT have issue with how people identify themselves.  That is probably a better way to state that feeling and idea. 

My discussion post was never about who is better, who is worse, or if any of it really matters.  I would see you as a person, nothing more.  Every race in the world has probably had hateful words thrown at them, who gets more or less is unimportant, those words can still hurt. 

On a side note .... the name of the starter of this thread has changed to Hot.like.fire, is IT now a sock account?   

ray_afraid said:

Jetrell Fo said:

ray_afraid said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV's Frink said:

Straight people don't have to fight for equality.

 Then you live in a box.

 Please, give us the details of the hardships us straight folks face and how hard we've worked to overcome our gay oppressors. I'm all ears...

I am not going to participate in your twist of this subject.  I have explained what I meant and of course Frink had his say to try and encourage more discord.  I hope you enjoy peace and quiet because that is all your ears will get from me.  Anything you post about it after this is of your own creation, not mine.

 I don't care how this started and this is no "twist of the subject". I'm asking you to respond to something you just said. If you're to weak to defend your own words, so be it. But don't expect me not to point out and respond to such ridiculous statements.

There is NO such thing as "gay oppressors", there is NO such things as "straight oppressors".  Straight people from all walks of life get accused of being homophobes and are humiliated just because they don't understand or relate to the gay identification.  If you think it doesn't happen then you have not experienced it yourself.  Many straight people across the world who are not opposed to the gay identification have endured this short fuse response.  I hope that helps you out.

P.S.  I don't care that you don't care about how this started .....

ray_afraid said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV's Frink said:

Straight people don't have to fight for equality.

 Then you live in a box.

 Please, give us the details of the hardships us straight folks face and how hard we've worked to overcome our gay oppressors. I'm all ears...

I am not going to participate in your twist of this subject.  I have explained what I meant and of course Frink had his say to try and encourage more discord.  I hope you enjoy peace and quiet because that is all your ears will get from me.  Anything you post about it after this is of your own creation, not mine.

Ryan McAvoy said:

TV's Frink said:

Jetrell Fo 1 said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-TVs-Frink-AKA-The-Real-Ric-Olie-vs-the-Infinite-Fos-Thread/topic/16525/

Why on earth would someone think that if a member saw a thread with their name in it that they would blindly enter knowing the wolves await?

Weird .............

 Can you list the wolves so we know who to avoid?  Thanks.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wolverhampton_Wanderers_F.C._players

Take special care to avoid Andy Gray ^

Glad I could help

As for this crap ..... the comment had nothing to do with sexism OR footie.  Wolves (for this forum) would include Frink and anyone looking to join a verbal bullying session for giggles.  No thanks.

TV's Frink said:

You said "wolves." I need a list of everyone else.

 Sorry, I don't do demands.

TV's Frink said:

Straight people don't have to fight for equality.

 Then you live in a box.  Besides, this had nothing to do with anything I said.

You know yourself, so why ask?

Learn to use the internet and you will find cool stuff.  I have the HDTV captures of ALL 6 films but Ep, 4-6 are the Special Edition Circa 2004.  It is the ONLY way you'll find them on the net sadly.  There is NO Original Trilogy as WE know it NOR is there any GOUT HDTV broadcast captures anywhere because they never happened.

Sorry.

DoomBot said:

Wow, pretty cool you got a 35mm print of this. I hope you didn't have to sell an arm and leg for it.  :)

No, I got it for a VERY reasonable price, probably due to it's "popularity" and because the seller is cleaning out some of his stuff.

To me it's a gem in a haystack of iffy great movies.  It has a place in Marvel and Movie history especially since all they are now pushing is the DC.  Now, don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the DC, but the theatrical helped bring the DC to the top.  It deserves it's place ..... in honor of Michael Clarke Duncan.

I am fine with people of the world pursuing the lifestyle of their choice as long as it's not forced on others .... just like my belief about religion as I am agnostic.

Quoting myself here ...... this was taken out of context because it was in a post I made dealing with the question of a 100% positive genetic link to homosexuality.

I personally have NO idea whether people who are gay or straight are genetically disposed to be that way.  That being said, I have no problem with how people chose to live.  Since I don't see any need to reaffirm my straightness I don't see a need for gay people to do the same.  We ALL bleed red.  We ALL have our own problems.  We ALL are people and that is the way I see it.  When people paraphrase and analyze stuff you've said I don't believe they are using enough information to back their suppositions.

The internet is cold enough without having others judge you by something taken out of context and it does nothing but make matters worse. 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-TVs-Frink-AKA-The-Real-Ric-Olie-vs-the-Infinite-Fos-Thread/topic/16525/

Why on earth would someone think that if a member saw a thread with their name in it that they would blindly enter knowing the wolves await?

Weird .............

I believe it deserves to be companion to the DC ....... it's only fitting.

Cookie, may the wind be at your back.

Okay,

I have purchased a 35mm print of Daredevil.  It is the Theatrical release.  It is NOT on BD.  I also have the cinema DTS for Daredevil.

Is there any interest in an archive project for this?  I’d like to see the final result as a 50GB release … of course it would be to include extras like trailers, Making Of … and such.

Let me know your thoughts.

TV's Frink said:

 That belongs in the thread started by the sock you haven't banned for some reason.

@ Silverwook .........  this is why I half listen to any mod that says "they're all gone" or "no socks here anymore".

Gotta love the irony.

:)

The VHS has arrived, sealed, and safe.  I will get to capturing it as quickly as possible.  I've got homework and a daughter that come first so please be patient.

:)

TV's Frink said:

Jetrell Fo 1 said:

TV's Frink said:

JetFo, Fo 0 thru Fo 3, and Ric Fo 1...I count six of them.

You count as poorly as you communicate.  I'm not surprised with those Coke bottle bottoms you call glasses.

 JetFo

Fo 0

Fo 1

Fo 2

Fo 3

Ric Fo 1

....

Show me the math error.

None of these people or personalities exist ...... that is your error.

bkev said:

I don't get it.  You both go from egging each other on to getting offended over that same kind of back-and-forth.  It's clear you both have extreme distaste for each other, why not leave it at that?

I've heard the "he started it" / "it's one sided" stuff enough already.  

PS-  Fo, I like your new user title ;).  

What I've noticed in the off-topic section is that certain members automatically take the incendiary position of things said in a post and then use that as a way to taunt and "joke" but when they have the tables turned on them they magically become victims.  They assume you've said something personal and then don't except any explanation you give after being asked for clarification.

They seem to come from the point of view that they own the off-topic sections and that any outsiders that don't adhere to their methods are immediately scrutinized and labeled.

Since there is little to no moderation here nothing is done about it.  You are on you're own.  So what do you do?  Leave?  Defend yourself?  Or make a space for yourself to exist so you can post here while fighting the flames? 

I have noticed that one cannot make a general statement about anything without it being twisted around and turned back at when they are not welcome here.  That being said, there are some good members who do not participate in the hazing but they don't try to discourage it either.  I do not fear the hecklers.  I am not afraid to fight them so I may participate in other threads.  It seems it is the only way to survive in here for some.

On another note, thanks for the compliment.  Scotty is awesome and Relics is an awesome TNG episode.