Jetrell Fo

towne32 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Molly said:

Sure. I’d buy 'em if I could - even though I have no way to play them because to date I have refused to spend a penny on BluRay anything.

There is no “I can” with these three movies, because everyone involved has spent the last 20 years trying to bury them. That’s why piracy happens. But let’s not kid ourselves - “ethical” piracy, so much as one can define such a thing, is piracy. (I’m preaching to the choir, I know.)

I can only hope that what we (I’ve been involved in this kind of matter for over a decade now myself) have been doing will result in the RIGHT thing happening, which is something similar to what we’re aiming for being released, not by fans, but by Fox and/or the Rat.

I just read this and am still totally confused about the entire matter at hand. Molly’s post says what we all know to be true.

[snip}

None of this is what’s happening, though. This isn’t about re-thinking the morality of preservations. It’s about one specific thing that might have happened within the community.

That said, I agree with everything you’re saying and I see how the topic suggests this. I hope things are clarified in whatever delicate way they can be so that everyone doesn’t tear their hair out thinking this.

For this “big” of an issue “I personally feel” (my own opinion) the clarification should be outright. The forum and those affected by the “issue” should be mature enough to hear and process the real nature at the heart of all this. Sugar coating something legit will not fix or ward off any possible future “issues” unless it is out in the open for all to be aware of, otherwise what we stand for and do here is useless and empty of the heart and soul with which it all was originally created.

I am going to dare to quote Frink, partially, as it kinda hits the right mark for me even though he probably did not intend for it to do so in this case … leave it to Frink to say it tho, LOL …

And I partially quote …

TV’s Frink said:

Show your proof or stop posting.

While it is not subtle, it begs the same intent with regards to this. I mean NO harm or disrespect to anyone with this, it just spoke to me.

Molly said:

Sure. I’d buy 'em if I could - even though I have no way to play them because to date I have refused to spend a penny on BluRay anything.

There is no “I can” with these three movies, because everyone involved has spent the last 20 years trying to bury them. That’s why piracy happens. But let’s not kid ourselves - “ethical” piracy, so much as one can define such a thing, is piracy. (I’m preaching to the choir, I know.)

I can only hope that what we (I’ve been involved in this kind of matter for over a decade now myself) have been doing will result in the RIGHT thing happening, which is something similar to what we’re aiming for being released, not by fans, but by Fox and/or the Rat.

I just read this and am still totally confused about the entire matter at hand. Molly’s post says what we all know to be true.

What has been going on here has been based on physical products that have changed in content, yet been purchased over time, and they all came with the same “piracy” warning. This community has been a HUGE supporter of wanting the ORIGINAL Trilogy release, hence the sites name, since day one. The petition alone spurred a long line of “preservations” so that us fans could have what George Lucas did not want to provide. Fan efforts have been left alone apparently due to his feelings on not wanting the “originals” to exist in the public arena.

Now that publicity is knocking on the door a little more loudly than ever before we toss some folks to the wolves and lock the door behind them? The petition begged for attention to our cause. The petition lost steam when Mr. Lucas released the Bonus DVD’s of a Laserdisc transfer of the Trilogy but work continued due to the flaws in that and the Blu-ray releases because they were considered a slap in the face to the community of fans that have championed the release of the ORIGINAL Trilogy for so long. All those people who worked on the original films (and their work) are still championed due to their groundbreaking results even though Mr. Lucas seemed intent on wiping them from the planet’s history by rewriting and reinventing his “reasons” for doing so on countless occasions across the timeline (Frink, plz don’t ask for proof because there are countless threads here with publicly quoted material from Mr. Lucas himself, too many for me to search out. Just a little humorous sarcasm, don’t sass me. LOL) but we all know the deal.

In the end, as a member here, I am not interested in arguing the moral implications of the issue. The problem I find with the dilemma, is that we as members and fans, are actually part of said dilemma because of our passion and love for what made us love the Original Star Wars Trilogy so much. Maybe, before passing judgement on TN1, we re-evaluate our own reasons for being here and our passion, and decide if we might belong in the same shoes they have been made to wear now for having the same passions.

This post is just me giving an opinion. It is not meant as an attack on anyone or as a way to justify a position on the matter. I have supported the efforts of the X-0 Project, PuggoGrande, TR-47, TN1, Harmy, TeamBlu and countless others just to name a few, and would most definitely do it again for the same reasons … for the preservation of the historical breakthroughs made by people with little money to make something the world could love and advance the envelope for future film-makers. Maybe what the site needs now is to close the door and reinvent itself so that it and us may all continue to come together in a noble cause which is greater than ourselves but stronger as a whole.

Just my two cents on the matter … even if no-one agrees or wants to hear it.

Peace and Love to ALL of you.

Thanks for listening anyways.

Next preservation might be the SE Trilogy which would be fine with me because even those were botched for the 2004 DVDs.

Chrno said:

I can’t find the movie on usenet. Can someone please invite me to myspleen?

This is not the thread for invite requests

poita said:

I’m going to disappear for the next week or so, my little girl has been in hospital for a few days, and they can’t work out what is wrong, and she is getting worse, so we are being transferred to Sydney (4 hours or so away), so I’ll be offline in analogue world for a while.

All my hopes and best wishes for you and your family my friend. Take your time, take care of your family, we’ll be here supporting you.

I am also sorry to hear about the electronics disaster you’ve had. It’s never an easy thing because it shows us how vulnerable we can be in the digital age. It is also why the scanning and archiving you’ve been doing is so important … because that media may disappear as well and it’s a part of our history.

I support which ever decision you make at this point, no questions asked.

Space Hunter M said:

Jetrell Fo said:

godzilla 2000 screener master  …  is this some sort of workprint version?

It’s a video master of a release print that’s notable for having the theatrical end title. It was used for a screener, and two official Spanish VHS releases (one is dubbed, the other subtitled).

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1290y9

The screener master would be nice to have in full. I may search out a copy.

team_negative1 said:

There were some posts from Harmy comparing prints, here are some pictures from one of our scans:

Lucasfilm

http://i.imgur.com/2qjkJir.jpg

A long time ago

http://i.imgur.com/EYaBRBQ.jpg

Both of these match up, with the other scan, though these are from an LPP.

They are different from the GOUT spacing.

Team Negative1

Thanks for the comparison shots.

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Mike does what he does for his love of the film, far as I can tell. Anyone wasting time trying to dissect him outside of that needs a serious vacation.

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This thread has become it’s own McGuffin.

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Jelges said:

Hallo all, is this Project done and can there be found any info. I would love to be able to watch ST MP Special Longer Version as a digital file. Is there any way to get it? I have not found any torrent regarding this.

Thanks in advance,
Jelges

Welcome to the forum Jelges. You may notice by reading the thread that this has been released but this thread is not for invites to the site the torrent resides on.

Cheers

Robino said:

Yes of course -

You have a pm.

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May I send you a pm?

Can you offer any details about your setup and services? It’s always great to see like-minded folks working together for a common cause.

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It is obvious that everyone in this thread had some form of expectation going in to the theater and that is why opinions vary so much. I enjoyed the film as a whole but it doesn’t mean I don’t expect the bar to go up now that TFA is here. I’m sure they are watching and listening to all the reactions.

This film has short comings for sure. I went in expecting nothing and had a good time with my daughter. Do I think some of the rehash was unnecessary, sure. Do I feel the writers, including Lawrence Kasdan, could have brought it bigger, yes. I’m sure there were a lot of outside interests at play here that none of us had control over too. The film is here to stay regardless of how anyone of us feel about it.

I’d like to think that with the box office draw it’s had they can use that and all the reactions to tread smarter for the next 2 installments. Us Star Wars fans are a finicky bunch but we probably know the universe far better than those making the films now so it stands to reason that there are a lot of heavy handed reactions. I am hoping that we will all be heard and that they will think before they leap in to the next film.

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ray_afraid said:

Anchorhead said:

RU.08 said:

When using CGI it’s best practise not to zoom it to fill the frame, but with Snoke JJ just puts it right in the frame to pull us out of the suspension of disbelief.

Unless I missed something, we never see Snoke. We just see a holographic projection Kylo is speaking with.

But none of the holograms in the OT made the characters look like outdated CG cartoons…
I don’t see why he wasn’t portrayed by a real person.

Actually, he was portrayed by a real person. It was Andy Serkis via Motion Capture.

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daileyxplanet said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I see that you’re a new member and you got right down to things. There is a place where one can find these things but you need to be a member by getting an invite.

This thread is where you should go for the invite.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Post-in-this-thread-to-request-an-invite-to-MySpleenorg-you-MUST-read-the-first-post/id/8592/page/94#884879

Welcome to the forum.

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That thread is closed and now getting an invite is secretive and frustrating. I, too, would like an invite.

I don’t know why you came to this thread for an invite if that one is locked …

No more invites, no more posts from hit-and-run posters.

I am sorry but a lot of members here have given and given and we almost always end up disappointed because our invites get abused by hit n runners.

Please don’t clutter up these threads with invite requests. The general forum section may be of some help.

Smoking Lizard said:

hydrospanner said:

I don’t see why some don’t find the idea of Finn working sanitation while stationed at the base to be so unbelievable. Aren’t new recruits in real world militaries often tasked with menial jobs before they can rise through the ranks?

Do the Green Berets complete their Green Beret training and then get assigned to the Pentagon to take out the garbage?

Answer: No.

Also…sanitation in Star Wars…that’s what droids are for.

You must not be familiar with Military etiquette and protocol. As a U.S. Army veteran I can tell you that if it is part of your assignment or your told to, you do it no matter what rank you are. It’s part of the gig.

SilverWook said:

michaeldc said:

SilverWook said:

Can’t you read?

Last warning.

Calm down chief, I was replying to a post above your ‘warnings’ before I even saw what you put.

As for not knowing when to stop, I think you have me confused with someone else.

It was a general warning for people to stay on topic. And my reply to mverta was not referring to you.

Moderator warnings ought to be taken seriously in any case.

Dude called you “chief” … LOL. I about spit my coffee all over the screen. Some weird things happen round these parts.

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I see that you’re a new member and you got right down to things. There is a place where one can find these things but you need to be a member by getting an invite.

This thread is where you should go for the invite.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Post-in-this-thread-to-request-an-invite-to-MySpleenorg-you-MUST-read-the-first-post/id/8592/page/94#884879

Welcome to the forum.

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LiquidKaltar said:

Hey guys, i want to see un-edited version of Star Wars. Can someone help me?

This is not the thread you’re looking for.

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I want to go on record right now and say, I STILL enjoy TPM for what it is, long live Qui-Gon Jinn (a HUGE missed opportunity by Lucas).

TV’s Frink said:

Jetrell Fo said:

kriegdersterne said:

brash_stryker said:

kriegdersterne said:

TV’s Frink said:

kriegdersterne said:

Ironic that the master of sarcasm doesn’t understand sarcasm.

TV’s Frink said:

Luke, Leia, and Han didn’t share a scene. Luke didn’t speak. WORST MOVIE EVER.

What.

Well, I’ve heard those complaints from others, and I don’t know you from a hole in the forum, so there’s nothing that indicates sarcasm there.

Too subtle perhaps? My whole post was a riff on Jetrell Fo’s post (notice the similarities). He wrote: “My daughter and I had fun and finally got to see some of our favorite characters back on the big screen, together again, part of yet another adventure”. I don’t know what movie he saw, but if we assume that by favorite characters he meant Luke, Leia and Han, I did not see a movie where they were together again, part of an adventure. That doesn’t mean I didn’t like the movie because of that (though I did not like the movie, but for other reasons). Got it?

It’s clearly apparent that you were riffing on and subverting Jetrell Fo’s post. Frink isn’t disputing that. There was no hint that the criticisms highlighted in your post (via your substituted words) weren’t genuinely your stance though.

Well, that’s the problem with riffing on and subverting someone else’s post. Just like the Star Wars saga, it needs to rhyme 😉

By the way, just in case it isn’t clear, the only reason I wrote that post is that, just like Jay, I found it condescending.

Aside from the fact that Frink is clearly the superior when it comes to sarcasm around here (compliment to Frink, 😃), you’re a tad late to the dance on the condescending issue. Your “riffing” needs some serious work if you’re going to expect reactions from those you jab.

You and I have come so far…a single tear is forming in my eye right now.

Much respect to you!

And I edited it ever so slightly while you were posting (hope I didn’t skew the point in doing so) … LOL, and thanks.

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kriegdersterne said:

brash_stryker said:

kriegdersterne said:

TV’s Frink said:

kriegdersterne said:

Ironic that the master of sarcasm doesn’t understand sarcasm.

TV’s Frink said:

Luke, Leia, and Han didn’t share a scene. Luke didn’t speak. WORST MOVIE EVER.

What.

Well, I’ve heard those complaints from others, and I don’t know you from a hole in the forum, so there’s nothing that indicates sarcasm there.

Too subtle perhaps? My whole post was a riff on Jetrell Fo’s post (notice the similarities). He wrote: “My daughter and I had fun and finally got to see some of our favorite characters back on the big screen, together again, part of yet another adventure”. I don’t know what movie he saw, but if we assume that by favorite characters he meant Luke, Leia and Han, I did not see a movie where they were together again, part of an adventure. That doesn’t mean I didn’t like the movie because of that (though I did not like the movie, but for other reasons). Got it?

It’s clearly apparent that you were riffing on and subverting Jetrell Fo’s post. Frink isn’t disputing that. There was no hint that the criticisms highlighted in your post (via your substituted words) weren’t genuinely your stance though.

Well, that’s the problem with riffing on and subverting someone else’s post. Just like the Star Wars saga, it needs to rhyme 😉

By the way, just in case it isn’t clear, the only reason I wrote that post is that, just like Jay, I found it condescending.

Aside from the fact that Frink is clearly the superior when it comes to sarcasm around here (compliment to Frink, 😃), you’re a tad late to the dance on the condescending issue. Your “riffing” needs some serious work if you’re going to get the reactions you seem to be expecting from those you jab.

@Jay

I am perfectly happy to agree to disagree with you. We all have expectations based on personal experiences. To be honest, I like to let the kid in me out to play and this movie was great for that considering I was a kid when Star Wars came out, as a fair number of us were. It was the kid I was that grew up loving Star Wars and the kid I still am when it came to enjoying TFA. Disney most certainly took the light side of the path with this film. They are introducing a new era of fans to something us old farts have loved for a long time. Did it need to be as PG as it was to make it’s start, maybe not, but it is my hope that more good will come from it than bad.

Cheers

Jay said:

Jetrell Fo said:

As I stated in my original post, I meant no disrespect to anyone, I thought I was pretty clear right out of the gate. I wasn’t calling anyone out. I still won’t. I went in to the movie expecting nothing but a Star Wars adventure with characters I love and I got it.

If that’s condescending in any way then apparently I know nothing about Star Wars and don’t deserve to be a member here.

The drama isn’t necessary.

Your opinion of the film and your having enjoyed it aren’t condescending at all. This is:

It is only now, after reading remarks in this thread, that I see how overly critical some of the fans are. I mean no disrespect to anyone and I will not point out any 1 person, it just seems that some can’t enjoy a movie for what it is

You and I have different opinions about what makes for a good movie, but I don’t think this makes you less discerning or lacking in taste, just like my preferences don’t make me overly critical or unable to enjoy a good movie.

I suspect that my use of the number 1, instead of the word one, may have caused some confusion. My statement was not directed at you in particular or anyone else in particular for that matter. This is the first new Star Wars movie with original characters in it for almost 30 years. I’m used to the criticisms of the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy being most prominent here. I guess I figured that due to the age of the actors, the director, the film-making style, and the long wait that most fans would at least be less inclined to be a bit harder to satisfy considering there are still 2 films to go where anything could happen.

There was no drama intended in the statement you pointed out … I was merely referring to the fact that most all of us are here for the same reason, our love of Star Wars itself, differences in opinion aside.

I hope you are able to give it another chance. It’s as imperfect as any Star Wars movie before it but it is a fun ride considering it’s simple start.

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captainsolo said:

I wouldn’t feel so frustrated if I felt the story had been really worth a damn or if it actually fit within the SW universe.
It doesn’t help the corporation’s paws are all over it.

But again that’s my two cents and kudos to all those who enjoyed themselves.

I can see and I understand the frustration some fans feel about it, I do get it. It is my hope that this is a simple start to something far more extraordinary for those who weren’t as pleased as I was and for those of us who are already on board for the ride with TFA.

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