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#1102912
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Star wars despecialized error?!
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MaestroDavros said:

Jesta’ said:

yotsuya said:

The Doctor Who restoration team had a fantastic frame interpretation process. But if it is one frame, that would be easy enough to do in Photoshop. I looked and I didn’t see it. What is the GOUT frame number?

VidFire has some major limitations. If I recall correctly all of the Time Meddler, some shots from Tomb, and episode 5 of The Ambassadors of Death couldn’t be vidfire’d do to frame rate issues. Then again, 30mm isn’t a pal 16mm telerecording with NTSC color!

I’m a bit of a VidFIRE nerd, and a fan of the Restoration Team’s work, so I think this post might be of some interest.

Regarding Ambassadors 5, I have never seen the VHS in person (saw a poor quality copy years back), but my understanding is that 2-4, 7 did not undergo the process (Ambassadors 1 still exists in its original format), but 5 & 6 did, simply because of time constraints caused by uncertainties regarding which scenes in the other episodes would be in color, and in the end those were presented in a hybrid B&W/Color format. That being said, the DVD release is presented in full color, and 2-7 have all undergone the VidFIRE process.

Tomb of the Cyberman, excepting an easter egg, was not given the VidFIRE process on the original DVD release, which to my understanding was due to uncertainties that the process would work correctly once the masters underwent MPEG-2 compression (it worked of course, and the story later received a special edition with the full process).

The only stories to not undergo VidFIRE for the DVD range were The Crusades: Episode 1 (The Lion) and all of The Time Meddler. This was because of the poor quality of the telerecordings available, and as a result a belief that the illusion of it being from a tape/electronic source would be broken.

That being said, the VidFIRE process CAN be used on film sequences, and rather convincingly apparently, even if not intended. The original DVD release of The Seeds of Death accidentally VidFIRE’d everything, causing it to receive a special edition to correct this (and add more bonus features of course). Typically the process only touches the studio scenes; the film sequences are left alone as they would have originally been at the lower frame-rate anyway. Also, another rule utilized was in essence, if it originally was shot with an electronic camera, it gets VidFIRE’d, regardless of whether it was originally printed to film or tape (some 60s episodes were actually shot with electronic camera’s to 35mm film, not tape, either because of unavailability of tape machines that week, complex editing, or both).

So VidFIRE is a powerful tool*, and many of it’s weaknesses come more from it’s purpose of application rather than flaws in its process, although there are some dodgy areas on rare occasions, especially in the earlier days of its use.

*VidFIRE is actually a combination of many different tools, although the identities of which are kept a “trade secret” of sorts

You should check out Ambassadors on DVD, sure it’s a bit pricey for a region 1 copy, but it’s well worth the price.

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#1102827
Topic
Star wars despecialized error?!
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yotsuya said:

The Doctor Who restoration team had a fantastic frame interpretation process. But if it is one frame, that would be easy enough to do in Photoshop. I looked and I didn’t see it. What is the GOUT frame number?

VidFire has some major limitations. If I recall correctly all of the Time Meddler, some shots from Tomb, and episode 5 of The Ambassadors of Death couldn’t be vidfire’d do to frame rate issues. Then again, 30mm isn’t a pal 16mm telerecording with NTSC color!

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#1083067
Topic
Star Wars: The Clone Wars Broadcasted Version VS Home Media Release
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JayArgonaut said:

No biggie. 😃 This is quite an interesting project. If no-one else takes it up, do you think you’d have a go at reconstructing the episodes yourself?

Oh yeah, I can’t stand the Blu Ray masters. I’m just not sure I can properly edit out the extra scenes, or rotoscope this shot http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/212535

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#1082568
Topic
Star Wars: The Clone Wars Broadcasted Version VS Home Media Release
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I’ve decided to make a list documenting the changes in case anyone is interested in reconstructing the original broadcast versions that were shown on Cartoon Network.

Starting off we have the most obvious change, http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/212270.
The switch from 16:9 to 16:10. The TV version was cropped to fit standard HD TVs, while the Blu Ray showcases it’s full theatrical style aspect ratio.

SEASON 1

The following episodes are riddled with so called “Director’s cuts”

Rising Malevolence
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=453768
Shadow of Malevolence
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=800064
Rookies
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=3314152
The Lair of General Grievous
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=5197673
Storm Over Ryloth
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=3556610
Innocents of Ryloth
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=50371
Liberty on Ryloth
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=2717746
(Known unaltered versions: SD iTunes release, Non anamorphic “Clone Commandos” and “A Galaxy Divided” DVD, and of course the original Broadcast)

SEASON 3

From now until season 6 we will be dealing with censorship.

ARC Troopers
11:31 to 11:32 was removed for the broadcast on Cartoon Network
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-mqn4s61no (Side note: The clip is from the Blu Ray release, but the one who posted it cropped the vidoe to 16:9)

(Censored broadcast version found on iTunes and the original broadcast)

SEASON 4

Carnage of Krell
14:40 to 14:41

15:26 to 15:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcfV6yUUMhs
(Unaltered version only found on broadcast)
Escape from Kadavo
This one is a bit different, the segment from 17:45 to 17:48 was cut, but the whole shot has been rearranged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3E_pBDhoqs&feature=youtu.be
Massacre
19:53 to 15:54
Blink and you’ll miss it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0A9StJnQCw&feature=youtu.be
Bounty
1:52 to 1:53

14:22 to 14:23

(Only available on broadcast)

SEASON 5

Eminence
10:51 to 11:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzHiNBqjFQg&feature=youtu.be
Shades of Reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQwECRply4M&feature=youtu.be
(Both broadcast and iTunes)

SEASON 6

Voices
This one is a bit weird. Apparently there is more footage in the version that was aired on German TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLhxxHs3IUs&feature=youtu.be

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#1081966
Topic
What do you HATE about the EU?
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Lord Haseo said:

This is pathetic

All I can do is laugh at these EU fanboys and revel in the fact that all their crying will not yield any fruit.

Just like Original Trilogy fans who cried about the Prequels and the SE?

I suppose the idea is “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

Maybe, but I’m more inclined to think the writers at Lucasfilm right now just aren’t very inspired.

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#1064299
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Rogue One differences from Theatrical Cut?
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Bullshit!

You tell me how it makes sense for a second that she’d have that flag in her possession. And don’t try and justify it with some other piece of media explaining the flag’s origin. In the context of the film, it’s Anakin’s flag and nothing else. I think it’s a change that makes sense.

That, and I think you’re overestimating how much the prequels would really have an influence on the current state of affairs in the in-universe galaxy. Or are you complaining about lack of world-building while also arguing they should visit more planets we’ve already seen before!?

Woah, woah. That comment was made sarcastically, as well as my signature. This thread is about RO’s home media matching the one shown in theaters, not about me. Find someplace else to discuss that.

Now, back to the topic at hand.

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#1064240
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What is your Star Wars?
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Jeebus said:

My Star Wars is an orange/green color palette, the crispest 1080p subtitles you’ve ever seen, Yub Nub, ambivalence towards TCW. An unconditional love for Disney and everything they do, the realization that TFA is not only better than the Prequels, but better than the OT, and my discovery of breasts.

Now that’s a bit better. Sure it’s trying to mock what I was going for, but it’s more what I intended.

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#1064235
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What is your Star Wars?
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So did I. It doesn’t. Your posts do.

Sigh. I think what your getting at is that, I’m trying to provoke you into some sort of discourse.
No. I’m wondering what makes Star Wars special for you. Maybe the smell of popcorn from the theater you went to first see it in. The version you first saw. Maybe the order you saw them. I don’t know. Just the small details that make you nostalgic.

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#1064228
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What is your Star Wars?
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Jesta’ said:

How am I a troll?

Jesta’ said:

No, I not talking about single phrase answers, like “Original Trilogy”.
I mean the sights and sounds that made your Star Wars.
For me it’s blue/magenta color correction, slightly pixilated subtitles, Victory Celebration, the wait and anticipation for the next episode of Clone Wares. A deep hatred for Disney, the steady realization The Force Awakens was crap, and my discovery of Heir to the Empire…

I grew up on the 2004 DvD’s. I don’t understand how that makes me a troll.

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#1064210
Topic
What is your Star Wars?
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No, I not talking about single phrase answers, like “Original Trilogy”.
I mean the sights and sounds that made your Star Wars.
For me it’s blue/magenta color correction, slightly pixilated subtitles, Victory Celebration, the wait and anticipation for the next episode of Clone Wares. A deep hatred for Disney, the steady realization The Force Awakens was crap, and my discovery of Heir to the Empire…
Yeah, what is your Star Wars?

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#1064188
Topic
Rogue One differences from Theatrical Cut?
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towne32 said:

Are you really calling TFA’s home video release “butchered”?

No. But it was changed.
I wasn’t being literal.

Was there ever a definitive list of things changed? Aside from people being incorrect about the flags

No that was changed before the theatrical release. (J J and his anti prequel boner)

I mostly remember discussion of the length of the credits (probably the score you mention). However, at the time I’m not sure that there were cams with intact credits.

I believe there is a cam with credits intact, and there is no change with the length I’ve heard of. Just one of the music tracks that plays during the credits.

Was there ever a definitive list of things changed?

If there was, I’ve never seen it.

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#1063697
Topic
Rogue One differences from Theatrical Cut?
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oojason said:

Just finished watching both simultaneously (the Deflickered cam and official Digital Download) - there were no additional scenes - nor were there any scenes missing (both ran at the same length too). I didn’t notice any changes to the dialogue or music - nor any changes to what was on screen.

There a bloody amazing difference in quality between the two (obviously), as well as colour, detail and being able to see the emotions of the actors - really enjoyed watching it (them) again 😃

Just finished doing the same. Looks like for the first time, a Star Wars movie has gone unbutchered, for better or worse. It’s possible we could be dealing with a missing speeder situation (AOTC), a small visual change, but only time will tell.