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#122394
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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Originally posted by: TheSessler
I don't want to really offend anyone here, but of all the people I know, the atheists are the ones that are most tolerant of other people's beliefs regarding their organized religion association.

All of the "religous" people I know are always the ones telling other people that their way of thinking is wrong and they will "go to hell" or what have you unless they repent and follow the way they see fit according to whatever text they follow.


With the same caveat about not offending anyone: I find it ironic that those who claim to be the most tolerant are usually the ones who cannot tolerate non-leftist points of view. For example, anyone who doesn't support abortion on demand, gay marriage, gun control, unlimited entitlement programs and a complete surrender of national sovereignty to the UN is called a bigot, ultra-conservative religious nut.

Am I a Christian? Yes. Do I believe certain practices are wrong based on my own understanding of morality? Yes. Does that make me intolerant? No. There's a biiiiiig difference between tolerance and acceptance. I refuse to accept certain things as being right because someone may call me intolerant.
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#122392
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
and i just like to add that athiests dont try to convert people of religion to not believe in god, however it is the opposite with religions. so by chooseing a stance that infringes on peoples rights the least would indeed been the best choice.


Wow...that sounds quite...totalitarian. Wasn't someone arrested in Canada for quoting a verse in the bible regarding homosexuality? Very...tolerant.
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#122390
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/122390/action/topic#122390
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Ok JediSage I owe you an apology. The was an actual reported case of a teacher throwing Bibles into the trash. Althought the lawsuit has been dropped and the school district denies that any Bibles were thrown into the trash. So its just a question of who you believe. Again I'm sorry I jumped the gun. Its just I had never heard of the incident and found it difficult that it could have happened without me knowing since I watch the news and read the paper daily. I apologize. However it would seem to be an isolated incident.

No problemo....I probably over-reacted, however it's a very stressful time for me right now.

Originally posted by: JediSage


I find it odd that we need to oppress freedom in order to attain it, however, I'll bite:



I never said that. All I meant was that how can someone have true freedom of religion, without having to right to chose no religion at all? without being able to chose not to belief
in God?

No argument. But this is far from your original comment. You originally said you cannot have freedom of religion without freedom from religion, which on the surface implies that all semblances of religion in public must be eliminated. Not quite the same as saying that one should have the right to choose none at all.

Originally posted by: JediSage


So, in other words, anyone who assumes public office or works in government automatically abbrogates their right to the free exercise of religion? Must they now take a vow of official atheism prior to taking the position?


No, what it means is that they can use/abbuse their position to support their religion

example: A school teacher can't use their position to preacher their religious views to thier students. However, that same school teacher has every right to practice his/her faith, As long as doing so doesn't violate someone else's rights.


Again no argument, however, the "Supreme" Court has ruled that saying a religion neutral prayer before a football game on school grounds is unconstitutional, somehow construing this to mean that the person saying it is really congress and that this act constituted establishment of a nation-wide religion. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...". A student body is NOT congress.

Originally posted by: JediSage


Keep in mind that appeasing all faiths via a position of no faith is just as much of a philosophy as any religion. By definition it's excluding the people who believe and practice their faiths.


Now, just how is the Government excluding you by appeasing you? Maybe its a philosophy as any religion as you say, but if it is, does that mean we should drop it and just pick a religion to support and what one should that be and why? Whichever one we pick is going to offend someone. All I am saying is the Government shouldn't be in the position of deciding what religion is right and what religions aren't. It should treat all religions equally and that includes Atheists.


No...the government should not pick a religion to appease anyone. No, government should not pick which religion is right, but I don't think that should mean curtailing religious liberties in any manner...and that IS what is happening. If Aetheists want equality they should respect that there are billions of people on the planet who are not aetheists and who do not appreciate attempts at being erased. It's a two way street.
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#121995
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Comics Fans
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121995/action/topic#121995
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
*Bump*

So. Does anyone know if I should get "The Dark Knight Returns" or "Batman Year One" as my next comic purchase??? Anybody?


Not sure what Sessler's talking about...DKR is considered Frank Miller's crowning achievement, and rightfully so. It's the book that caused me to "fall in" back in 86 when I first started collecting. I do believe Year One is of similar quality, and is now pretty much THE origin of Batman. DKR is dark and depressing, but the story is fantastic, and the art is pretty much the best I've ever seen. You could do a lot worse than picking up either one of these books.
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#121776
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121776/action/topic#121776
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Can you give another example?


Pretty much any Star Trek series was loaded with them. I know you're not really a Trek fan, but there was an episode in the original in which the crew were sent to a parallel/evil universe. In the episode, they were trying to get a special mineral from this planet that of course, had divulged itself of their weapons, so they were immediately a target for this empire.

In Trek: TNG, there were multiple episodes, for example in the episode "Devil's Due" they go out of their way to show how the planet had no weapons, and of course someone was there wreaking havoc all over the place.

There are instances of it in Babylon 5 as well. Of course, each one of these shows has something in common: The peaceful "unified" governments (usually with white and blue flags) of their respective shows arrive to save the day, and everything's cool as long as they're the only ones who are armed. Please, oh please...
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#121740
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121740/action/topic#121740
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: Warbler

Ok, I have never heard of any children having their Bibles siezed and thrown in the garbage. That was an unneeded exaggeration. One thing I hate when people use obvious
exaggerations to support their argument.


Actually, I've heard about that one too. Really freaky story... the teacher must have been having a REALLY bad day, because she grabbed the Bibles from the students and threw them in the trash saying something like "This is garbage; it will rot your minds."

Really weird story... I think the teacher got fired for it... I hope.


It is truly a frightening time for people of faith...well, at least for Christians. That story is but one example of the new persecution that is happening everywhere.
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#121738
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121738/action/topic#121738
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Originally posted by: JediSage


None of our founding documents forbids the oft forgot second half of the "establishment" clause from being practiced in, on, or around public grounds or buildings, yet the secular establishment, using tax payer dollars and municipal funds to pay court fees, is continually assaulting religious people/groups/organizations on that particular issue. We now live in a society where children who try to read bibles during their free time in public schools have their bibles siezed and thrown in the garbage by school beaurocrats with a secular axe to grind. Yes, there are many grey areas, but let's be clear about who's at which end of the lash right now.

And the reason why Christmas and Easter will never be excised is because they've been stripped of all their Christian meaning, and secularized to the ground (Happy Holidays!). If they still had their original Chrisian conotations, they would cease to exist and the Gaia worshippers would rule the day even more so than they do now.


Ok, I have never heard of any children having their Bibles siezed and thrown in the garbage. That was an unneeded exaggeration. One thing I hate when people use obvious
exaggerations to support their argument.

It's obvious that your reaction temporarily prevented you from doing a Google search:

Article

The First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

To me, this says that people can practice their religion on public property but the government can't get involved in it. So although you have the right to pray to the god of the your choice while on school property, School officals can't lead a prayer or have an offical school prayer. Which means reading the Bible on your own free time, say at lunch is perfectly O.K.


So, in other words, anyone who assumes public office or works in government automatically abbrogates their right to the free exercise of religion? Must they now take a vow of official atheism prior to taking the position? I'm sorry, I'm just looking for that part of the amendment...I work at a non-profit that receives state funds. Guess I'd better be careful when someone sneezes of saying God Bless You.

About the "In God We Trust" on our money and "One Nation Under God" in our pledge. Tell me, would the Government be allowed to change the words to "In God We Do Not
Trust", and "One Nation Not Under God"? If the Government can't print on our money "In God We Do Not Trust", why can the Goverment print on our money "In God We Trust"? By allowing "In God We Trust" and disallowing "In God We Do Not Trust" The Government is imho, establishing a religous belief. Which is outlawed by the 1st Amendment.
Same goes for the pledge.


Personally, I don't care what my money says, as long as I can spend it. However, you need to keep in mind that our money is printed by the Federal Reserve, which is a private bank, not a government agency. A matter of semantics, yes, but a crucial one.

One last thing, alot of people say the 1st Amendment only gives freedom of religion and not freedom from religion. I ask, how can you have true freedom of religion without having freedom from religion?


I find it odd that we need to oppress freedom in order to attain it, however, I'll bite:

The same can be said of almost anything in the bill of rights. How can we have freedom of the press without the right to control it? For example, the reporter just put in jail for not revealing their sources in a criminal investigation. Here's a link so I don't get accused of fabricating that example to support my point: Reporter

Soon that excuse will be used to drive the crosses from church tops, or the stars from temples on main street in the local towns so that the "include it, or exclude it" crowd, along with the atheists won't have to see them while driving on a public street. I actually had someone tell me that once (a blazing leftist/atheist) that he should be free from "religiosity" while driving on public roads (unfortunately I was unable to get this on video so your just going to have to trust that I didn't fabricate that example).

Keep in mind that appeasing all faiths via a position of no faith is just as much of a philosophy as any religion. By definition it's excluding the people who believe and practice their faiths.
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#121558
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121558/action/topic#121558
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
It was just a joke; chill.

Anywho, Jedikev:

ROBIN ISN'T GAY.

'Nuff said.


To me, Batman and Robin were just two guys who just shared this place together, they were doing some stuff with art and stuff, and they shared this place, and they were all part of the clubbing thing in Gotham City, were freqnently at the hottest spots in town, and they had a good relationship and were open minded and decided to experiment and stuff... So they did, and they do get together sometimes, at raves and stuff, but they don't consider themselves to be gay, Robin claims to be bisexual to some of his friends because he think it's cool to be it.



Don't forget those long poles they used to slide up and down on on the TV show during the 60's...
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#121555
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121555/action/topic#121555
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Originally posted by: Mavimao
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
But it shouldn't have to be that way.

Guy: I believe in God.

Athiest: WELL YOU'RE EVIL AND SELFISH AND GOING TO HELL FOR IT!

Utterly ridiculous.



Now you're generalizing, which I understand is easy to do, but you should avoid this as much as possible. It only hurts your argument. But let me say that not all Athiests respond in caps wanting the demise of religious establisments. This is what really concerns them:

The Declaration of Independence says that first, "All Men are Created Equal" and the 1st amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

With that in mind, athiests find it unconstitutional that their money, made from the government, should have the phrase, "In God We Trust" and that they send their kids to schools, they paid with their own tax dollars, which make them swear an allegience to a body of government under a diety they don't believe exists. Imagine if we decide to replace the word "God" with "Allah" or "Jupiter"? After all, it's a question of semantics right? At least that seems to be the argument of more moderate conservatives and conservative democrats who argue that using "god" is not in reference to the Christian God, but to the idea of god that many cultures share.

But athiests don't believe in a diety at all! They believe they have the right to live in a country where one's religion is practiced at home/church/temples,etc.

As we all know there are a lot of gray areas when it comes to religion and politics in America, and people don't give up traditions easily. After all, our most famous holidays are based on Christian events: Christmas and Easter. So are we supposed to get rid of this? No.

Religion won't be razed in our government offices anytime soon, but its a philospohical question that deserves some thought on the issue.


None of our founding documents forbids the oft forgot second half of the "establishment" clause from being practiced in, on, or around public grounds or buildings, yet the secular establishment, using tax payer dollars and municipal funds to pay court fees, is continually assaulting religious people/groups/organizations on that particular issue. We now live in a society where children who try to read bibles during their free time in public schools have their bibles siezed and thrown in the garbage by school beaurocrats with a secular axe to grind. Yes, there are many grey areas, but let's be clear about who's at which end of the lash right now.

And the reason why Christmas and Easter will never be excised is because they've been stripped of all their Christian meaning, and secularized to the ground (Happy Holidays!). If they still had their original Chrisian conotations, they would cease to exist and the Gaia worshippers would rule the day even more so than they do now.
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#121553
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Babylon 5
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121553/action/topic#121553
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I was really into the show during its run. The third season was some of the best written television of its time ... and perhaps ever. The writer known affectionaltely as JMS used to hang out online in the newsgroup and interact with all of us bozos daily. Back before the internet became a household appliance.

It's interesting just how many parallels there are to Lord of the Rings. JMS admittedly was all but writing Lord of the Rings in space.


The newsgroup is still up, no? I think it is. There are monthly archives at

Worlds of JMS

Yes, my brother and I were amazed at how many parallels there were with LOTR. It's a little disturbing, at times. Z'ha'dum/The bridge of Ka'zah'dum, "The Nine", the Grey Council, etc.
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#121228
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121228/action/topic#121228
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Originally posted by: JediSage
Originally posted by: ricarleite
I hate having to sleep everyday, let alone unconfortable beds... Why shouldn't we just keep ourselves away everytime?

I hate the fact that I'll be moving away to a smaller city because of a job offer, I hope things work out - btw I might be absent for some time...


So you're moving to the states? Good luck. My wife and I are moving next week, but we're only moving down the street.


I'm moving to another town over here, in Brazil. I'll be working on the states for a few weeks, not gonna live there.


Ahhh...gotchya.
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#121225
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Babylon 5
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121225/action/topic#121225
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Originally posted by: greencapt
I never could get into that show. Not that I tried too hard, but all my friends loved it and were always trying to get me to watch it.

I guess part of what put me off was them telling me I had to watch all the previous episodes to figure out what was going on in the middle of the series run.


Well, it does help, but I picked it up originally during season 4, and there were only 5 total. What really helped me was a site called:

The Lurker's Guide

The site is a very complete reference about the show, characters, races, etc;

The show is most definitely worth getting into, as it's basically a 5 year story from beginning to end, with events in one episode paying off years down the road, which is one thing (of many) that it has on the many Trek spinoffs. It proved so popular that TNT ordered a spin-off series called Crusade that, sadly was cancelled prior to airing because TNT allegedly told the creator, Joe Straczynski to put more T&A into it, and JMS does not like to give up creative control over his stuff.
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#121116
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BEAUTIFUL WOMEN NEW RULES IN FIRST POST (NSFW) UPDATED RULES
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121116/action/topic#121116
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Originally posted by: TheSessler
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: Jedikev
She's sexy!!!!!!!!!!


I'm sorry, but between the Dirty song and the music video for "Beautiful.." I really don't see the appeal of Aguilera. She's not ugly... just... unnatractive.

Like Hilary Duff, whose personallity seems so bland Ben Stein would find it boring.


Ben Stein is like Richard Simmons compared to her.


LMAO!!!!

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#121113
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/121113/action/topic#121113
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
I hate having to sleep everyday, let alone unconfortable beds... Why shouldn't we just keep ourselves away everytime?

I hate the fact that I'll be moving away to a smaller city because of a job offer, I hope things work out - btw I might be absent for some time...


So you're moving to the states? Good luck. My wife and I are moving next week, but we're only moving down the street.