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#154326
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What the Hell is Going on in France?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154326/action/topic#154326
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Which is why affirmative action programs need to be tossed.

maybe.

Talk to me when you've lost a job to someone in order to fulfill a quota (even though you're more qualified)

Right, but for some reason people still want slavery reparations.

1. We were talking about France, not America


True, but you brought up 1776 like it was germain to our welfare state mentality, so that's what I believed was the next logical place to take it.

2. Maybe people still want slavery reparations because no reparations have ever been paid out.


1. The people who want them were never slaves to begin with.

2. The people who are supposed to pay them never owned slaves.

But not at the expense of enlarging the government.


why not? As long as it is within reason.


As I stated earlier, the US is the largest employer in the world and is still growing. Let me know when it's not within reason any more...somehow I think we passed that point with the New Deal....the system cannot remain like this forever, especially during perpetual inflationary periods and depressed wages.
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#154135
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What the Hell is Going on in France?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154135/action/topic#154135
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Have we forgotten our more recent bout of looting and rioting in the U.S. ... the aftermath of Katrina? While there is no excuse for a man without power stealing a HD television, it was equally insane for N.O. police to be opening fire on those stealing perishables and diapers. It is no solution to say "zero tolerance" and "open fire" against rioting civillians and ignore the root causes of the problem.

So France should do nothing a let the rioters destroy Paris? There is big difference stealling perishable items during a diasaster and commiting acts of violence. Now, I am not suggesting that police should just mow them down. Merely that order has to be restored. There many ways rioters can be stopped without shooting them. If the rioters were about to set your house on fire, would want the police to stand there and do nothing?

Originally posted by: JediSage
It's funny. Not so long ago people came to the US and built the better lives for themselves...they didn't depend on government to do it for them. There's been a polar shift in the way governments are looked upon. They're no longer the defender of the borders and economic markets, they're now seen as an employment office.

I don't view the governemt as an employment office. But I do believe it is the government's duty to see to it that the employment offices treat everyone fairly.


Which is why affirmative action programs need to be tossed.

As for the way government is seen now, maybe that is because this is 2005 not 1776.


Right, but for some reason people still want slavery reparations.

May I remind you, part of having a strong economic market is keeping down unemployment.


But not at the expense of enlarging the government. The US government is the largest employer in the world. Also, it should not come with a price tag of government interference in free-markets or in the business sector. Government's roll in keeping down unemployment should never wander from taxes and tariffs...Oh, and making sure we never run out of resources, like Iraqi oil...
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#153963
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What the Hell is Going on in France?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153963/action/topic#153963
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
The situation in France is very similar to what happened in New Orleans. Classism and poverty have stretched the lower end of the spectrum to its breaking point. Whether it is a hurricane or the electrocution of two kids dumb enough to hide in a substation is irrelevant. Using New Orleans as a metaphor, when the levees of social justice are strained, just the right pressure is all that's needed to break them and flood the city with violence and unrest.


Similar in the end result, perhaps, but not in how it came about.

It is my understanding that these two kids were Muslim, who as a religious group were essentially invited into the country through lax immigartion policy, and then not given the tools and opportunities to create a better life for themselves. They wound up marginalized as a group and then civil unrest began to set it.

A lot of these rioters were just looking for a reason to go off, and it came in the form of two stupid, stupid kids. It's a shame.


It's funny. Not so long ago people came to the US and built the better lives for themselves...they didn't depend on government to do it for them. There's been a polar shift in the way governments are looked upon. They're no longer the defender of the borders and economic markets, they're now seen as an employment office.
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#153907
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What the Hell is Going on in France?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153907/action/topic#153907
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Well, I believe I did say that violence was not the answer and that there has to be a more peaceful for way to solve these problems. I was not saying their rioting was justified, merely that their anger and frustration at problems they face is justified.


As the for the King verdict. I was unware of tazers being used. The cops had every right to arrest King. He was in clear violation of the law. And they had to right to use force against him because he resisted arrest. But there came a point(as could clearly be seen in the video) where he was clearly subdued and they kept on beating him. They went too far. To this day I can't understand how the jury came to the verdict it did, I think it was the wrong one. But the King verdict was just the spark that lit the fire. For years there had been racial problems in L.A. and it had finally come to a boil. They thought that had an open and shut case and somehow the verdict went the other way. They felt the system screwed them again. I am not saying the people their were justified in their rioting, merely that they were justified in being angry and upset.

As the for the King verdict. I was unware of tazers being used. The cops had every right to arrest King. He was in clear violation of the law. And they had to right to use force against him because he resisted arrest. But there came a point(as could clearly be seen in the video) where he was clearly subdued and they kept on beating him. They went too far. To this day I can't understand how the jury came to the verdict it did, I think it was the wrong one. But the King verdict was just the spark that lit the fire. For years there had been racial problems in L.A. and it had finally come to a boil. They thought that had an open and shut case and somehow the verdict went the other way. They felt the system screwed them again. I am not saying the people their were justified in their rioting, merely that they were justified in being angry and upset.


The King situation was ugly. As I've posted elsewhere, my father is an ex-cop, and he went out of his way to not be one of "those" cops (it actually cost him his career, I think). Upon seeing the video, his reaction was that the cops "...were holding court in the street", and that something happened off camera that provoked it. He also pointed out that during a high-speed chase, the adrenalaine (sp?) gets going so much, that when you finally do catch the person that you really have to restrain yourself, because the person not only put their own lives at risk, but also that of the police and the people in the streets, and that it's quite easy to not realize you're being too rough.

That being said, I do believe the police went way beyond what could be deemed acceptable in terms of continued punishment. In my opinion, if he attacked them after they used non-lethal force with tazers, they should have used lethal force.

As far as the rioting goes, it's not above the denizens of LA to riot when the Lakers win the NBA championship, so I'm not too sympathetic about it. I'll refer to my previous comments about France and say, resolve things peacefully, or take on the pros, not innocent civilians or private property.
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#153767
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Original Trilogy Usermap
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153767/action/topic#153767
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Originally posted by: RRS-1980
Originally posted by: ricarleite
Why? Would anyone use it to bomb me?

* Calling the Russian War Minister, with a phone book on his hand *

"Hi, is this the russian war minister? Cool, listen, I need you to aim all of your nuclear warheads at the following location......"

Haha, it's all so funny... but you know what, Ric? I'm pretty sure that both NATO/USSR ICBMs were/are aimed at my city... after all it's an important port, where opposing forces could make a bridgehead (and I've already seen unloaded UN vehicles going South to Balkans during the war in former Yugoslavia). No matter what were the beliefs of our population, NATO had to target this potential site in Warsaw Pact country. And today, when Poland is semi-openly called "a threat" by Russia, you think they wouldn't try to "turn off" our shipyard facilities in nukyular attack if the war breaks out? (God forbid! )

I'm telling you, it's a real "luck" to be in the middle of that ****** Europe...

But at least I have post-WW2 German bunker about 5 min. of (fast) walk from here...


I think there are probably still a lot of Russians who don't like the current Geo-Political climate in Europe and the US, and with NATO expanded the way it has, they would have almost no choice but to use nukes in a first strike situation...unfortunately.
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#153671
Topic
Jokes thread : Reloaded
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153671/action/topic#153671
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**Possibly offensive humor ahead, with apologies in advance, and yes I can relate**





A man is walking on the beach, and sees a woman with no arms or legs lying on the sand crying.

He says to her "Why are you crying?"

She looks at him and says "Well, because of my handicap I've never been screwed"

So the man looks at her, picks her up and tosses her into the ocean and says "Well, you are now"
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#153662
Topic
What the Hell is Going on in France?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153662/action/topic#153662
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Did anyone actually read Mavimao's post? What are you all talking about communism and the second world war for? This is about taking advantage of a certain group of people (be it class or race) and then when said group finally says enough is enough, not being able to handle it. I enjoy a good stab at teh French as much as the next English or American man, but you guys are, quite frankly, talking sh*t. Pretty much every country in the world is guilty of taking advantage of another country or group at some point, and it usually backfires, which is what is going on in France now. Read what Mavimao said (which, after some research of my own I can confirm is a good summary of the issue) and then make some worthwhile comments or none at all.


I've always believed that people have the inalienable right to rise up against repressive governments. My family comes from Ireland, and came over during The Great Hunger, then were treated badly here until after WWII. However, poor socio-economic conditions do not excuse random violence. If these people are upset about their plight, they should organize political movements and support peaceful change, or if they really feel the need to be violent perhaps they should take on the French army (assuming they have one, which is unlikely seeing as the US has been footing the bill to defend Europe for the past 60 years), instead of attacking citizens and police.

That being said, I also believe that Chirac should stop talking and take action. This is going to be enough to get him kicked out of office. If this were me, I would have issued a statement on day 2 that said something along the lines of "This sh#t stops NOW, or the National Guard (French Equivalent) is being loosed in the streets, with live amunition for 24 hours".
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#153491
Topic
Election Day.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153491/action/topic#153491
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I look forward to the 2008 presidential election. I'll be a year over the age to vote, and can vote for Hillary Clintom.


I'm sure most liberals find THAT choice lacking. Most sane ones, anyway.


And you think Condoleeza "Bush kiss-ass" Rice would do any better? Clinton may not be the best candidate in the U.S., but you must take the lesser of the two evils!


Excuse me, but did I say ANYTHING about Rice? For one, I don't really expect her to get the nomination, but even if she does, that doesnt' mean I will vote for her. I just said that HILARY was a bad choice, nothing else.

Honestly, I think whoever runs for president in 2008 should have absolutely no affiliations with either the Bush or Clinton administrations, but that's just me.

Edited to add: Also, Adam, we're derailing this thread. If you want to argue presidents, go to the Politics thread. This is about 2005 elections, not 2008.



[nerd humor]SUE DINBY FOR PRESIDENT, 2008![/nerd humor]



Jean Loring!!
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#153489
Topic
spider-man 3
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153489/action/topic#153489
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
If all six movies are good, then Spiderman may end up the best movie series in history. On the otherhand, movie series tend to drop as soon as their a trilogy, some times not even lasting that long.

Then again, the nature of Spiderman's story line makes it much better suited for sequels than many franchises.


Good point. However, I think your point about the trilogy curse is accurate. How long are these actors going to stay around? Personally, I think they should line up Elijah Wood to play Peter if MacGuire walks. Did you see him in Sin City? Looked totally like MacGuire.
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#153460
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153460/action/topic#153460
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Originally posted by: Warbler
Well, I have never found Alda anywhere near smug, irritating or egotistical. And you can say he ruined M*A*S*H but without Mash never would have been a great show to begin with.


You may be interested to learn that Richard Hornberger, who wrote the original book on which MASH (both the film and TV series) was based, under the name 'Richard Hooker', loathed Alan Alda's portrayal of Hawkeye Pierce.

As for Superman 4, well, the Superman movie franchise had pretty much fallen apart by that point, and given the film's obvious lack of a budget, the film most likely would have sucked regardless of the plot. Mariel Hemmingway was pretty hot though, I agree, but there's that whole Lois Lane thing, even when Lois is played by someone as off putting and unappealing as Margot Kidder.


I always considered Kidder to be an unattractive Karen Allen.
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#153432
Topic
The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153432/action/topic#153432
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Originally posted by: Number20
I always liked M*A*S*H, and even the end, but I do agree that Alan Alda did get too much social commentary type stuff at the end. But not as bad as he could of been, and not to the point of ruining the series. Superman IV anyone?


I haven't seen that in years, but I remember it was a dud to be sure. When it first came out I was a lot younger, and I remember having a crush on Muriel Hemingway. Was like, Dude. What is Clark's problem?

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#153431
Topic
Election Day.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153431/action/topic#153431
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Originally posted by: Number20
Mostly Mayors/city councilpeople, and State propositions.
Hmm, so all that sort of stuff is done at the same time in each city/town? Interesting.


Not necessarily. The town I live in is an odd-ball town. We hold our elections in May of even-numbered years, along with a few others in our state.

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#153421
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153421/action/topic#153421
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Alan Alda is in the West Wing? (sorry, I am a mere englishman and therefore subject to getting shows long after they air in the US). I like Alan Alda and I'm glad to hear he's in the West Wing. My Dad actually chose his career because of M*A*S*H!


I grew up on that show, but have in the years past revised my opinion of it. I think Futurama had a great take on it when they showed the characters watching an episode of "Mobile Robot Army Hospital". The "Hawkeye" character was sitting there up to his neck in blood, lamenting the horrors of war, then turns around and says something like "Hand me that whoopie cushion over there" and spanks a nurse on the back side. However, it's good to know it inspired someone to do something good with their lives...
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#153316
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What You're Reading Now: Revisited
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153316/action/topic#153316
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
I wouldn't say better so much as different. I like both, and can appreciate that Ridley Scott was doing what he could with the technology of the time. Blade Runner is a lot simpler than DADOES, but again that's because the book is so dense and richly textured that it would really need a longer running time to do it justice. I do think that Ridley Scott misunderstood the book somewhat when he reached the conclusion that Deckard was a replicant, but the book is open to interpretation. If anyone wanted to remake it, I think the route the SciFi channel took with Dune would be the way to go, although a mini of DADOES would probably be only 4 hours long.


Well, I must be the only person who hated Blade Runner. I mean HATED it. I think the book is probably spoiled for me now...