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#165748
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Family Guy
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Originally posted by: greencapt
The scene that never fails to crack me up is at Peter's boss' funeral when he does the 'Hulk' tv show riff on Jesus.


"As Christians, we believe that Jesus is not dead. But he must make the world believe that he is dead, until he can find a way to control the raging spirit that dwells within him" *merges the pictures of "regular" and "hulk" Jesus together* "da-da-da-daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

I laughed for almost 5 minutes straight when I saw that. It's become like a catch-phrase with a friend of mine. Totally classic.

Is anyone watching American Dad? At first I didn't care for it, but then it grew on me. Definitely worth watching.

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#164431
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Video Games - a general discussion thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164431/action/topic#164431
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Off the topic of losers, lets talk about games:

So. Andybody here have play Mario Kart DS?

If so, what is your friend code?


Mine is:
463917
643586


I've heard it's quite good. Was thinking about getting a DS, but not sure given that MK and Nintendogs seem to be the only decent games out there...

You seen SM Strikers for GC yet?
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#163881
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On Christianity
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/163881/action/topic#163881
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*sigh* Well my whole reason for bringing this up has gone down the tubes...

Religion in general, and Christianity in particular, should not be reduced to a question of utilitarianism. There is a moral law in this universe, as sure as their are physical laws that govern it's operation. In each case there are consequences to our actions. If we step off a bridge, we will plumet to our deaths. If we have an affair, there will be repurcussions in all of our relationships.

When discussing religion, ask yourself the following questions:

1. Where do we come from?
2. What has gone wrong with the world?
3. What can be done to fix it?
4. Why are we here?

Christianity answers these questions.
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#162943
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Should Stanley Tookie Williams have been executed?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/162943/action/topic#162943
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I used to be a staunch defender of capital punishment. However, my views on this have softened in the last few years. I'm beginning to lean more towards "restorative justice". Meaning a criminal needs to be punished for their actions, however they must also make restitution of some type to their victims, victim's family, and society. In terms of murder and capital felonies, I don't know what would bring restitution, but I don't think I believe in the death penalty any more.
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#162942
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On Christianity
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/162942/action/topic#162942
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I should have been more clear when I started the thread. Sorry. I don't want this to be an apologetics thread (we've been there MANY times). I wanted it to be just a place to discuss Christianity.

For example, the state of Protestantism and Catholicism, or discussion on Christian history. Things like that. This can also be a thread for people to ask questions about the faith, etc.
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#162736
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On Christianity
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/162736/action/topic#162736
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Not sure how many believers are on this board, but if anyone wants to discuss Christianity, how's about we do it here? We've talked about it so often in the Politics and Ethics thread I thought it was time it got it's own.

Not sure what to talk about first. How about the current state of Catholicism?
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#162039
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A Deep, Abiding Emptiness
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/162039/action/topic#162039
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One of the things I want to be cautious about is that I don't want to help out of a desire to help myself feel better. Unfortunately, I know a lot of people who do charitable things in order to feel better about themselves, not to actually help the overall situation.

I spoke to a friend after I wrote the initial post yesterday. I work with him and he used to be the manager of our homeless outreach program. The money for the program dried up and yesterday he was telling me that he feels the same way I do, and that during the program he would go out into the woods and onto the streets and pull people to shelters and get them help. He feels frustrated that he's no longer doing this type of work and the need is so great.

I have at times thought about maybe working at a shelter or opening my own to try to help out, but I'm not sure I'm cut out for that type of thing.
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#162034
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Ethics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/162034/action/topic#162034
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Originally posted by: JediSage

In our case, I believe it's Orwellian because the person has already been convicted and punished for their crime. With the DNA issue they're practially taking the presumption of innocence of FUTURE crimes and tossing it out the window. Yes, they have a choice, but if we make the exception of having DNA for "criminals", then it won't be long before we do it when dealing with foreigners and immigrants (to protect ourselves from terrorism, no doubt), followed by children (in the event they're kidnapped). Things like this, and the proliferance of surveillance cameras, mandatory internet wiretapping rules, etc are giving rise to a very scary world.


I think this has the intend of being practical, instead of unethical or "orwellian". An "orwellian" situation would be to monitor that person's life forever after he has been released from prison. By collecting a sample of DNA they are basically gathering one more piece of information that could be use to identify possible criminous, which infact ARE commited by ex-prisoners. How different is taking DNA than taking a photo or your fingerprints? I belive it's not a question of being ethical or not.


What's to stop them from collecting DNA from everyone? The case could be made that everyone is a potential criminal. Where does it stop? It's not about what the person has done in the past, it's about an unspoken assumption that they will perpetrate another crime in the future, which has serious legal ramifications in the United States. As far as photos and fingerprints go, I'm under no obligation to provide either, for any reason. The only time I've given my fingerprints voluntarily was when I filed for a permit to carry firearms within my city limits, and it's debateable whether or not that's legal. However, with the way companies are putting cameras and RFID devices everywhere, it's a moot point.

YIYF...I've heard that there are now 9 surveillance cameras for every 14 people in London. Does that sound right?
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#161857
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Ethics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161857/action/topic#161857
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Originally posted by: Bossk
Originally posted by: JediSage
I work at an alcohol/drug rehabilitation center that has residential programs. One of the programs has men that are basically 1 step away from going back to jail. I believe that it's mandatory for them to give a DNA sample to department of corrections as part of their deal. IMO, that's Orwellian.


Difference being that they agreed to it as part of their rehabilitation, probation, etc. No one forced them to sign on the line saying that they had to do this. They could have gone to jail.

This guy who was cured of HIV has a choice as well. He can submit to more testing (and he's probably been through a ton already in his life) or he can just live. Thankfully, his choices are a bit better than the guy in your rehab center, but it's still a choice. You can't take that away from him. Or, at least, I hope you can't.


In our case, I believe it's Orwellian because the person has already been convicted and punished for their crime. With the DNA issue they're practially taking the presumption of innocence of FUTURE crimes and tossing it out the window. Yes, they have a choice, but if we make the exception of having DNA for "criminals", then it won't be long before we do it when dealing with foreigners and immigrants (to protect ourselves from terrorism, no doubt), followed by children (in the event they're kidnapped). Things like this, and the proliferance of surveillance cameras, mandatory internet wiretapping rules, etc are giving rise to a very scary world.
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#161830
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A Deep, Abiding Emptiness
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161830/action/topic#161830
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Something has changed with me today.

I went into a book store during my lunch hour. One of the ones that is a national chain...one that sells a lot of other stuff besides books. As I was walking the ailes, nothing appealed to me. I thought this was strange because I am a book junkie. I can't get enough, and I've got books to keep me reading for the next 10 years at home. I perused just about every rack in the store, hoping to find something that would strike my fancy. Nothing.

Ok, how about the calendars? No. Knick-knacks? Nada. Candy/coffee/cakes? Nope. I realized that I am empty. The accumulation of "things" in my life has lead me to a dead end. Nothing I look at today can give me purpose, or fill the void I'm feeling right now.

This began, I think, as a result of me doing some reading on Pope John Paul II on Wikipedia today. When I look at his accomplishments, at the life he lived, and the difference he made, it makes me ashamed to think that I have done nothing to help ease some of the suffering in this world.

As a Christian, I believe that this world will never be "right" until the second coming (I'm only stating my belief...not inviting an argument over religion), and that I have not lived my life according to my faith. I'm feeling a deep yearning to do something about it. To try to help in some way, but I'm not sure how. I feel lost.
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#161827
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Ethics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161827/action/topic#161827
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Originally posted by: Bossk
DNA evidence is taken a couple different ways...

When it is collected from a crime scene, it is because this DNA is out in the public and the person who owns it has given up rights to it. It is effectively public domain.

When a sample is taken from a suspect, they are asked. It is not just taken as that would be illegal. However, if a suspect were to decline giving a DNA sample, they are pretty much admitting guilt by denial. It's like saying no to taking a breathalizer test as part of a field sobriety stop. If you say no, it's likely because you are drunk and don't want to incriminate yourself. If you're innocent, then you have nothing to hide and should just submit to the test.

Cops can't walk up to a suspected criminal, tackle him to the ground, and just swab his mouth for DNA. That's illegal.


I work at an alcohol/drug rehabilitation center that has residential programs. One of the programs has men that are basically 1 step away from going back to jail. I believe that it's mandatory for them to give a DNA sample to department of corrections as part of their deal. IMO, that's Orwellian.
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#161034
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Ethics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161034/action/topic#161034
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New sub-topic: Genetic engineering. What do you think about the people who are lining up to be able to dictate what color their babies eyes are, or what sex they will be? This treads on very dangerous ground, IMO. This type of thing opens the door to the state eventually screening babies for "defects" and other issues.
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#161032
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Ethics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161032/action/topic#161032
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
Originally posted by: Bossk
Originally posted by: Shimraa
its not like they are asking for his life or to comite him to a life being poked and pronged they are asking for some blood to see if they can end the suffering of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.


But that's just the problem. What if they cannot find the cure just by testing his blood? What's next? Poking and prodding to the point where the guy can no longer live his normal life and he effectively becomes a lab rat? That's no way to live. If his rights are violated to the point where they tell him he "must" donate blood, the trend will never stop. We will lose progressively greater amounts of rights until we are all living in a prison state with tags on our ears IDing us. I know this may be a melodramatic overinterpretation, but you can't possibly say there is no chance it could happen. Just because the guy is a fluke doesn't mean he should cede his right to life.

In all honesty, I think it's a sham and he's not really cured but is trying to cash in on media exposure.


what your saying is a different story, if that were the case then i would be on his side, by saying that he shouldnt even give a blood test is drawing a line too short. the line should be draw at the point where he feels he cannot live a normal life, askin blood will not prevent that. but in all seriousness if this guy had any ounce of love or care for a fellow man then he should give his blood. and if he doesnt care, well like i said society should show him the same love that he shows. that is all. you can draw a line but seriously dont get all dramatic bossk on well if we get blood where does it stop, cause its not one of those situation, he is an anomally and so there is not chance that scientist would dare take it as far as you are saying cause it just doesnt work like that in real world medical research. maybe in movies and what not but you dont get that in real life.

but as ric was saying HIV tests are not 100% accurate they can say your positive if your not or that your not positive if you are. he probably still has it.

but yeah like is said if this guys doesnt even show enough care that he would give a little bit of blood to better mankind or in attempt to better mankind well to hell him with him.

some one should go take this guy on a feild trip though a ward full of people dieing because of aids. show him people that are getting there brains eaten while they are still alive by bacteria that the body cant fight off(i believe this is call toxoplasmoisis, and almost everyone who has ever touched a cat has it but our immune system beats the shit outta it so its dormant in our bodies), should him images of people dieign cause they pricked there finger on a rusty peice of metal and cant fight off the infection cause they have AIDs show him the suffering that he is alowing to infringe, cause if he hold the cure to aids in his veins then all those deaths should be on his mind, he should haev to carry the deaths of the millions of people on his shoulders cause he will be responsible for them.


I think what you need to keep in mind is that there's no guarantee that this person holds a cure. If they take it by force and it's a dead end, he's been violated and will carry it for the rest of his life. Where would he go in order to get his privacy back?

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#160748
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Ethics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160748/action/topic#160748
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Hmm, interesting. I do believe that you should have the ultimate say over what is or isn't done to your body. But if this man could potentially hold the cire to AIDS, should a sample be taken by force to meet the 'needs of the many'? I'm incline dto say yes, because of the possible benefits, but, ultimately, from a rights point of view, I would have to sya no. The guy must be a real dick to refuse though.


This is definitely an interesting story. The next step in the discussion was that they should try everything to get him to cooperate, including saying "We'll give you a dollar (or Pound Sterling) for every person we innoculate. At that point if he still doesn't go along with it he should be compelled to assist. However, what happens if they say to him "Well, yes we took your blood and DNA, but we didn't quite get what we were looking for. We want you to stay with us from now on, because we need more and can't risk losing you. You'll be staying in this luxury apartment, but you can never leave". What would that mean? Very, very tricky.