Jedi Temple34

adywan said:

Jedi Temple34 said:

adywan said:

It's just been announced that the Blu-Ray box set will be 5.1 DTS-MA audio only, with no Dolby soundtrack

 

Cheers that’s the best news I’ve been really waiting for! I’ll now put STAR WARS on the my bluray BANNED list because it uses dtsHDMA!

 

I did tell you all! Well that doesn’t surprise me at all, if not a predictable of Fox as they are hell bent like all the studios now on siding with dtsHDMA. 

 

 

But why is it such a big deal if they use DTS audio for the Blu-Rays? We're getting the special editions and not the unaltered trilogy and these had DTS audio in selected theatres so they are using the same format.I'm really happy that they have gone down the DTS route because this is really the best format, so much better than Dolby. Nearly all DTS soundtracks i've heard have knocked the spots of their Dolby counterparts.

I can understand people not wanting to buy the blu-rays because of which version they contain but refusing to buy because of an audio format is pretty laughable to me, especially when that format was used for their theatrical run.

Well i'm refusing to buy them because i saw Star Wars on film and not on some digital format so i will not buy any releases until it's released in its true format and each film get an original 35mm celluloid release

Look I respect what you do don’t even try that “dts in selected theatres” on me. I saw Empire in dts at UCI Tower Park screen 6, rubbish!

So it was also in few SDDS houses if they could care about using the SDDS6.

I HATE dtsHDMA I don’t want my AVR selecting dts!

Its like a 35mm print and cinema sound rack system housing DOLBY dts and SDDS6/8 decoder the cinema as a choice in what to use for playback! With bluray we don’t get a choice now is that in anyway unclear?

f%&k sakes I’d sooner talk about “Raise the Titanic” on DVD in DOLBY STEREO than f$*king STAR WARS anymore if you understand my anger and disappointment about bluray format. SIGH

Nope not interested in going not if I had a £million pounds! Screw George Lucas! 

Chewtobacca said:

adywan said:

It's just been announced that the Blu-Ray box set will be 5.1 DTS-MA audio only, with no Dolby soundtrack

Somebody is not going to be happy....

edited - Sluggo beat me to it!

I do not ultimately care greatly which is used (although I prefer Dolby TrueHD as it usually takes up less space on the disc that could be used for other features) but I hate the fact that many modern releases only seem to have 5.1 mixes.  I would love to have original mono and stereo soundtracks included more often.  There is a real nostalgia value attached to listening to them for me.  I am not just talking about SW here, just in general.

If this was HD-DVD it would be mandatory to use Dolby True-HD but it doesn’t seem fair on films that was released exclusively in dts on theatrical release. All I’m, looking for is equal consumer fairness and that just doesn’t exist on Bluray.

I haven’t really brought many bluray titles since I stopped some 5 months ago. I brought BATMAN on warner bluray DOLBY TRUE-HD some 4 weeks ago, but I’ve basically turned my nose up at bluray now I’ve turned my back, on the format.

adywan said:

It's just been announced that the Blu-Ray box set will be 5.1 DTS-MA audio only, with no Dolby soundtrack

Cheers that’s the best news I’ve been really waiting for! I’ll now put STAR WARS on the my bluray BANNED list because it uses dtsHDMA!

I did tell you all! Well that doesn’t surprise me at all, if not a predictable of Fox as they are hell bent like all the studios now on siding with dtsHDMA. 

One thing that does spring to mind is the actor’s performers coming in for an ADR looping session if any decided scenes are placed back into the film?

So don’t be surprised if Lucas turns around at the 11hour and slots a few scenes in.

Originals is formal and on every original fans mind.

I apologise if I seemed awkward earlier on in my first posting, but I have become quite cynical about STAR WARS over the past 10 to 15 years and do you blame me or blame Lucas for his persistent tinkering around with the originals shaping it into what he wanted in 1977 BS I think the guy just likes motorcars and as always liked to tinker around with it, to make it do better.

I like tinkering around with audio electronics because I’m naturally curious and then my cat also becomes curious as to what I’m doing. LOL      

What you have lawn does it need mowing is the grass too long maybe a dog took crap all over it?

Wow I just skipped though the videos and the part where he mentioned "bluray" I just wasn’t impressed at all. I’ll wait till final release date along with technical specifications are announced, if it doesn’t say originals or DOLBY TRUE-HD Lucas and fox blurau can f*^$%^king well keep it.

Watching this on youtube and who the blazes is Jon Stewart?

The thing that gets up my nose the most is, yelling crowds of people sounding like a pack of wolves.

I just skip the video forwards to the interview. Yes I am STAR WARS fun but I hate yelling. Its noise!

For crying out loud! The first video part 1 what a load of noise and rubbish! I can’t hardly hear the audio its so low grade, I have to strain my listening abilities against this noise! What is this comedy hour because the first part is just lame?

This video would be better off with subtitles for the hard of hearing.

You don’t see Lucas going after cinema owner Tom Kiefaber then, tio get back the 35mm print?

Bingowings said:

Personally I think the tone is currently just right.

People have tip-toed around Lucas for decades and it's got us nowhere.

The petition here is diplomatically worded (as was the previous one) the case is put with measured eloquence but it's not being listened to (just like the last one).

We need an alternative more angry but equally eloquent voice out there to be the outlet not only of our hopes but also of our displeasure.

If it falls upon deaf ears nothing has been lost but at least our frustration has been noted by others.

Here, here.

Well, more like deaf ears for the Dolby film mix and blind eyes for the picture clarity.

Yeah a louder voice louder than his THX sound system so Lucas well at least acknowledge the original fans for once and reward us with what we have been pledging and begging for like dogs woof, woof! 

zombie84 said:

Spent the night converting the raw photos from the Technicolor screening to correct the perspective. I shrunk them by 50% in size as well, so instead of 10mb they are about 1mb, but they should still fill your screen.

Some choice examples:

http://savestarwars.com/images/senatorcorrected/technicolor2.jpg

http://savestarwars.com/images/senatorcorrected/technicolor6.jpg

http://savestarwars.com/images/senatorcorrected/technicolor32.jpg

See http://savestarwars.com/technicoloribscreening.html for more. I didn't do the complete photo collection though. Maybe one day.

Puggo: Thanks a lot for the advice. This is exactly the sort of stuff I am hoping to sort out by posting the work-in-progress here and getting feedback. Of course, the main page I sort of threw together and always planned on re-working, but probably the text would have been on similar lines to the way it is now. I'll keep your post in mind when I go through and start editing.

Wow, zombie are those actually screen captures of the 35mm print wow Lucas would have kittens if he saw this. LOL

Wow those are smashing quality pictures the grain the scratches and tiny imperfections says one word “film”.

That is how it should look on bluray the detail should be captured with nothing more and nothing less there’s no EE no DNR no colour manipulation, just perfect.

Obi-Wan's eyes roll as he explains to Luke.

What I have noticed in the tiny areas of the optical effect is common issue with nearly or most telecine video transfers that takes a really good video engineer to see that only the image and colour is captured.

This green like cyan can be seen on countless laserdisc to DVD to even yes the so called perfect bluray format as I have witnessed first hand.

The Abyss on THX laserdisc and DVD look at the underwater scenes during the first shots you’ll see Ed Harris looking out a domed window at the divers and all the floodlights have cyan green all around it and its down to (blue and white) that causes the artefacts to be seen.

I can see the same thing with the optical effect around R2-D2 on the video transfer. “It takes a good engineer” to do it right and lot a lot of films on video just look like total crap.

Does anyone own the first edition of The Abyss on Fox widescreen laserdisc as I’m sure the colour balance would be correct on that version? I’ve seen a TV broadcast many years ago, that was the theatrical version as I saw in the cinema some x3 times.

The theatrical version on DVD is the same lousy colour balance and I doubt it was the same version produced for the early laserdisc because the colours and brightness to contrast had gritty realistic look on the TV version all the grain as well as scratches and que dots ever 15 to 20 minutes was all there.

Even the soundtrack Dolby mix broadcasted in digital NICAM725 had richer quality for optical 35mm.

If the digital cameras of today can capture clarity images of the space shuttles underside to see if there are missing tiles then I don’t seen any excuses as to why digital technology can’t capture the STAR WARS films in there entirety without the use of EE DNR or colour tricky that only leads to colour imbalance issues of unnatural colour skin tones.

I’ve only seen a few on DVD and bluray a few that look spot and few is just not good enough in my books since I just paid them for lousy cheap unprofessional work for rotten film like, “The 6^th Day” the optical and some pyro on set effects just turn to green crap because of the high intensity of the whites that have been boasted up to make bluray only appear its better than DVD.

msycamore said:

Zombie, have you managed to get those '77 in theater Belbucus photos? if not, you have four of them posted on this page:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/topic/9805/page/2/

 And here's another one.

I would really like to see the rest of them though, if they even exist.

No, no it should read. 

It is a period of uncivil Lucas hating rebel scum fans on hidden site called originals have won their first victory against the galactic evil George Lucas empire.

Wow reading what that link said wow! I think George Lucas is a total senile jerk now.

Well I guess will just have to makes hundreds of copies from the early widescreen laserdisc editions and post them all over youtube like wildfire to piss Lucas off. LOL

The originals is where Lucas made his money from us "the original STAR WARS fans". I guess that must have slipped his mind because he become his own worse greedy f$*king fat ass enemy and he doesn’t what to share with the other children. What a selfish bastard he’s become.

If it weren’t for us STAR WARS would be nothing.

TV's Frink said:

ChainsawAsh said:

...Seriously?  They're both lossless codecs, so there is NO difference at all between DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD.

I see you haven't met Jedi Temple34.

Well I don’t give a forcing xxxx if he/she hasn’t met me. Chances he/she won’t ever meet me in person.

TV's Frink said:

Your quoting skills need work.

Well the system is pants I couldn’t shift the image down to post the text where it needed to be. Why don’t you phone George Lucas and ask him, if can’t edit it.

bkev said:

Hmm... even a genius such as myself has never heard of a "brink" road. Perhaps I can use it in my next plan?

That’s why we have edit! You know George Lucas uses "edit droid" to fiddle all his STAR WARS originals so we won’t know a sodden f%*(king difference!

George Lucas better supply the bluray with long piece of rope to easy off the pain a little when we see and hear “the horror, the horror”.

ChainsawAsh said:

...Seriously?  They're both lossless codecs, so there is NO difference at all between DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD.

I don’t give a damn! I hate dtsHDMA get it! I hate it! 

DOLBY STEREO TRUE-HD or this STAR WARS on bluary can hit the yellow brick road as far as I’m concerned.

Here take some of this toilet cleaner to wash you’re mouth out! I don’t want to hear any STAR WARS fan raving about dtsHDMA. Now force this down you’re mouth and guzzle.

I keep wondering what’s in the can? Looks like Jar, Jar Binks meat!

Jar Jar Binks now being served at galaxy 5 star class restaurant near you.

digitalfreaknyc said:

Jedi Temple34 said:

Sluggo said:

Fang Zei said:

Oh, wow, I thought from the title that you meant the entire thing! Would've really been amazing timing considering that recent screening in Baltimore.

Ditto.  You should re-title this thread

I titled it like this on purpose. LOL

 

 Then forgive me for calling you an idiot.

 

You really pissed me off now...

Most important thing is! Will it be DOLBY STEREO TRUE-HD otherwise he can keep it and swivel on a lightsaber! I will not buy anything that is dtsHD master audio junk! 

Yes it was...

Sluggo said:

Fang Zei said:

Oh, wow, I thought from the title that you meant the entire thing! Would've really been amazing timing considering that recent screening in Baltimore.

Ditto.  You should re-title this thread

I titled it like this on purpose. LOL

Fang Zei said:

Oh, wow, I thought from the title that you meant the entire thing! Would've really been amazing timing considering that recent screening in Baltimore.

What for around $80 dollars you got to be kidding.

Saw this on eBay could be genuine?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Return-Jedi-Orig-70mm-Film-Strip-R2-D2-C3-PO-/270619538631

Jedi Net has some good 70mm film cells yet Jedi’s colour has faded and the one on for sale on eBay looks like its in surprisingly good conduction.

http://www.jedi1.net/

WTF! George Lucas later adds CGI to it.

DVD-BOY said:

Maybe I've drunk too much coffee today but your entire post makes no sense.

What did this ex Dolby Constant say - does he know Desmond from Lost?

What's your point about the cost of the encoders?

I've never heard of a "Bit Bomb".

You do realise that Theatre Dolby is different technology to Dolby TruHD right?

I'm going to refuse to buy Star Wars on Blu-ray because it's AVC encoded rather than 35mm film.

Please send your thoughts to Lucasfilm - if you're quick they might read them out at Celebration V for a laugh.

Now, how does this clueless muppet filter work again...

 

Nah, can’t be asked to. Why do you, send it to them.

Anyway I have bigger fish to fry the moment. Nice talking to.