JayArgonaut

Check this out:

http://www.the-editing-room.com/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice.html

Channel 4 HD aired Alien just a few hours ago, here’s some screencaps straight from the .TS file.

What do you think of the colours?

yotsuya said:

Well, I can’t speak for the American market, but the BBC wanted copies destroyed or returned when the contract was up. I suspect that some US stations might have kept the contract going for years so they may have kept a copy that they might air periodically. But one a contract was up and not renewed, the tapes went back or got wiped. With the BBC’s bad archiving, lots of things got lost because of this. The occasional stray turns up that didn’t get destroyed or returned so the policy is well documented in hopes more strays turn up.

So my guess is that tapes sent out for broadcast were wiped afterward.

Thanks for the info. That explains why the TV archivists were so delighted to get their hands on the late Bob Monkhouse’s video library that he had obsessively recorded and maintained.

SilverWook said:

A “top man” around here is bidding on it. 😃

“A top man” who will save it from this fate… 😄

Wow!

Is someone on here bidding for this?

On a side note, I’ve always been curious about what was the agreement regarding master tapes for telecasts of a film like Star Wars. Would the broadcaster be allowed to retain the tapes in their library indefinitely and just negotiate for the TV rights whenever they wanted to show the film?

Jp4195 said:

More interesting things I found on IMDB

On the VHS version when E.T. is watching the Tom and Jerry cartoon, he gasps and starts yelling. The original version and 20th anniversary have him scream like he’s scared after the gasp.

In the original theatrical release of this film, in the scene where E.T. is drinking and getting Elliot drunk, Elliot used chalk and began drawing on thin air. This scene was later cut from video and subsequent theatrical releases, but is pictured in The E.T. Storybook.

I had a telesync copy of the theatrical release back in 1982 and I don’t remember the chalk scene. Interesting.

In the original cut, Elliot and his mom go to the principal after the frog incident. The principal was played by Harrison Ford, the screenwriter’s husband. Allegedly the scene was cut because too much attention was brought to Ford, and not to the scene. The scene is not restored in the 2002 edition.

This scene never made it to the theatrical release. Apparently it’s included as an extra on the 4 disc LD set, along with the alternate ending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8PxiYT8Z0

SilverWook said:
The interesting thing is that the image is actually slightly squeezed, as opposed to true pan and scan. It can be unsqueezed on a modern display, although still cropped at the sides.

On that note, I thought you might appreciate this TBH faq, if you haven’t read it before. The section on the original home video releases contains a lot of information. 😃

http://www.oocities.org/area51/shire/6822/tbh_faq.html

Original Laserdisc, Videotape, and CED release:

As far as I know, these releases were all made from the same print and video master.
The transfer is unusual - it is an anamorphic pan and scan. In order to fit more of the original widescreen (2.35:1) image of the film onto the television screen (which has an aspect ratio of 1.33:1) the telecinist apparently transferred this film anamorphically at approximately 1.85:1 (hence the thin, vertically stretched look of the characters in this transfer of the film; circles look somewhat elliptical). Since the telecinist didn’t squeeze the entire image on the video there still is some panning and scanning necessary during the film. (A good example is in the opening credits, where the telecinist had to pan & scan on the Director of Photography, and Story By credits.) The anamorphic presentation does however reduce the amount and severity of panning-and-scanning, and the use of jump cuts as compared to the Disney Channel Version.

The color (weak and off tone wise) as well as the contrast and detail in the transfer are quite poor. There is also some smearing evident in the transfer, an artifact of the old tube telecine video cameras used to transfer the film. (The difference between this and the DVD transfer is like night and day.)

Sound is ok. Laserdisc and CED sound is stereo, the VHS videotape is linear mono. (No details available on the BETA version - please contact me if you own this.)

There’s also an early 1970s Turkish film version of Star Trek: TOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc3CfHfNmXg

FrankT said:

I still say we should try to track down the HD/MUSE LaserDiscs.

The MUSE Hi-Vision LD’s require a special player and decoder - neither are hardly cheap and the discs cost a fortune. I’m curious as to what the MUSE discs would offer over the Blu-ray or DCP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs3sVrm_W4o

We can only hope that’s the case. 😃

If not, nearly every “copyright” measure that’s been touted as impenetrable has sooner or later, been defeated.

towne32 said:

Yeah, I don’t know much about them. I’m sure modern day ones do things like expire and have great encryption and a million ways of watermarking things. 2002 though? Maybe less crazy. But I’ve never heard of someone having such a thing.

Check this out:

http://sohodigitalcinema.com/info/digital-cinema-mastering-faqs/

“A digital cinema package can be encrypted. This is an anti-piracy measure and it means the DCP can only be played back with the use of a KDM (Key Delivery Message). This is a small XML file we send to the cinema via email. It is ingested onto the Digital Cinema Server along with the DCP. The KDM will only work on the server it has been made for. It contains the time and date when the DCP can be played back and, if required, an expiry date.”

Ryan-SWI said:
…but making even an SD edit of the theatrical version is neigh impossible without the original prints (though I’m fairly sure it was distributed digitally, so I don’t know if any would even exist…

AOTC was distributed digitally and in 35mm: which is how I saw it during the theatrical run. I remember being disappointed that portions of the print were covered with flecks.

“many theaters showing the movie screened it in 35mm despite Lucas’ plea to convert their projectors to digital.”

http://mentalfloss.com/article/55429/11-movies-shaped-digital-revolution

pittrek said:

Mortenx said:

Here’s me being stupid (and still looking for this version of TMP): what is The Spleen? 😕

The spleen (from Greek σπλήν—splḗn[1]) is an organ found in virtually all vertebrates. Similar in structure to a large lymph node, it acts primarily as a blood filter.

The spleen plays important roles in regard to red blood cells (also referred to as erythrocytes) and the immune system.[2] It removes old red blood cells and holds a reserve of blood, which can be valuable in case of hemorrhagic shock, and also recycles iron. As a part of the mononuclear phagocyte system, it metabolizes hemoglobin removed from senescent erythrocytes. The globin portion of hemoglobin is degraded to its constitutive amino acids, and the heme portion is metabolized to bilirubin, which is removed in the liver.[3]

marioxb said:

Nice! I haven’t gotten a new Netflix account to check, but I’d assume the US version is the same.

From what’s confirmed below, I think it is…

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089114/board/flat/208766193?p=1

Explorers aired again this morning (but in SD) and this time there was no continuity announcer voice-over during the credits, so I could hear the “I know you’re out there, I can feel the popcorn!” gag.

We know for certain: the theatrical release is on Netflix and UK TV. The re-edited US home video version is on the Paramount DVD.

Jeebus said:

Yeah, I think that especially with the director’s cut that I’m pretty sure will be coming out, this movie has the potential to be fan-edited into something coherent.

The director’s cut was confirmed some time ago.

Anyway, here’s the pre-order info:

http://www.amazon.com/Batman-v-Superman-Dawn-of-Justice-Blu-ray/dp/B01DEBC7Q6?SubscriptionId=AKIAIY4YSQJMFDJATNBA&tag=bluray-030-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01DEBC7Q6&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

SilverWook said:

Is it possible they have upscaled the Laserdisc master?

I think you’re onto something there as it certainly seems that way. During particular scenes, the video image looks like it’s covered in composite video noise. I could upload a sample, if your eyeballs can withstand the ordeal…

A few more additions to the list…

The more I look for stuff that I used to watch in the past, the more I find haven’t made it onto DVD - or any other format for that matter.

Hangin’ with Mr Cooper - Warner Bros. produced 90s sitcom that ran for five seasons on ABC and also on Channel 4 in the UK. Recipient of numerous accolades but no DVD release.

For Your Love - another Warner Bros. produced, five season sitcom that aired on NBC, The WB and in the UK, on Channel 4. Nominated for eight awards. No DVD release or any other kind of home video availability.

Night Stand, aka Night Stand with Dick Dietrick. Four season talk show satire, produced by Big Ticket Television and broadcast in first-run syndication in the US and also on ITV in the UK. Featured Jerry Springer, Jimmie Walker, Phil Hartman and others in real-life cameos. Unavailable on DVD.

Those grabs were taken directly from the .TS file itself. Believe it or not, they were the better looking ones…

Given the appreciation for this film amongst many members, I recorded the recent airing on Channel 4 HD because it’s a place where you can often get good results for HD offerings of films that have either received inferior home video releases or none at all.

This was broadcast in 1080i but is clearly not sourced from an HD master. The print is in bad shape and the picture quality is poor, even for SD - most of my DVDs would beat this hands down. It looks closer to some of my early 80s LDs.

The screen grabs look deceptively passable at this small size so here’s the album URL in order for you to judge them properly:

http://imgur.com/a/pitHt

Thanks for the information. Disney’s treatment of the film is curious because while it didn’t break any box office records, at the same time, it was hardly a flop during the theatrical run.

Yep.

IDontLikePocketSand said:

I’m fairly certain it is not; left and right sound identical. Original post updated with media info. The aspect ratio is wrong because the picture is somewhat stretched vertically, but I believe that most of the frame is there. Presumably, the stretching was done so that a person could watch it on a 4:3 CRT TV without having to squint as much.

Thanks for your efforts with this.

I was curious about the sound because there was an article about piracy (can’t find the source now) that was published at the time of AOTC’s release and mentioned the role of “inside jobs” and as an example, described a pirated copy of AOTC that contained excellent fully mixed stereo audio, which led Lucasfilm to conclude it had been shot in a movie theatre/cinema by someone with access to a line output.

That means it’s not the Centropy release but I’m intrigued as to which one it was…

Somebody’s doing the rescuing…

Smithers said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

In MoS, he does kill a lot of people, yes. In BvS, not counting the MoS flashback stuff at the start, the killcount for Supes is: 0.

And the terrorist guy at the beginning, and yes they do specify that he died

Wait, didn’t Supes deny that he was responsible for any deaths that occurred in Africa and maintained he was being framed?

I caught this on Channel 4 the other day, after reading that Disney hasn’t confirmed if and when the film will ever make it onto Blu-Ray and the DVD’s are either full-screen or non-anormorphic widescreen and the online offerings have similar problems. Amazon’s VOD version is in widescreen but rental only, whilst the version for sale via iTunes is full frame.

http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=26908#overall

http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:301004

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Goofy_Movie#Release

In comparison to older Disney titles that the same channel has shown, such as Aladdin and The Jungle Book, it doesn’t appear to have been sourced from a print in great condition. Flecks, spots, scratches and other such artefacts are clearly visible for the entire duration.

Again, unlike other titles from the Disney catalogue that have aired recently on the same channel, it does not appear that an HD master was used in this instance and my suspicions were confirmed after I came across the following:

https://www.reddit.com/r/piracy/comments/2iwpac/where_can_i_get_the_highest_possible_quality_tv/

“One time, I spent hours finding an HD copy of ‘A Goofy Movie’. I found out what the russian title was, and then was able to find some HD copies for the first time. When I finally got it, I threw it up next to the DVD…exact same thing. Down to the dust and scratches on the film. No better quality. I guess they aired the DVD source on an HD channel and somebody ripped it…lame.”

Nonetheless, it’s still a step up from the non-anormophic/fullscreen DVD’s and the fullscreen copy that’s for sale from iTunes. I’m not a huge fan of musicals or even Disney fare but every film deserves to be available in its correct aspect ratio.