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#1306949
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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4throck said:

All modern TVs come with a “calibrated” mode, usually called “movie” or “cinema”.
That’s quite close to calibrated settings, and unless you have measurement equipment (*), it’s as good as you will get.
If your TV is 1-2 years old it should be quite good really.

I have my TV set like this (movie), but with higher brightness that default for SDR. I see no problem with personal preference, as long as you keep the baseline in mind.

  • Yes, the correct white point will look yellowish. It’s usually even marked as “warm2” on many sets.
    But it IS the correct white reference.

You can check this even with no equipment.

  • Get 6500k (D65) led lamps.
  • If you have a window, look at an overcast sky.

Whites on the TV should match these references 😉

I’ve never understood this approach, as both an avid film viewer and cinematographer.

White is white, not yellow tinted. These modes are often called “cinema,” but never once in a theater have I seen a film projected with a “warm” color temperature, unless it was intentionally color timed that way. If anything, many theaters project their films with a more “cold” setting, which is equally as ugly.

I always keep my sets at “normal” and then tune in saturation, tint, etc.

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#1305957
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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yotsuya said:
And it is exactly what it looks like when I try to play on the Disney+ app on my TV. But not when I watch in a web browser or stream it through chromecast. I prefer to share what the image really looks like, not a partial and incomplete version.

There are some HDR to SDR converted stills out there now over at the Star Wars Trilogy forum, if the lack of tone mapping really sets you off that much.

I posted these “incomplete” screengrabs so people could see the full detail in the 4K image, FWIW. I do hope someone was able to properly compare them to the Blu-ray.

It’s a clear 1080p upscale to my eyes.

44rh1n said:

JawsTDS said:

Harmy said:

Can that be done? And would it yield a 10 or even 12 bit image? That would be awesome!
As for whether this changes anything for Despecialized, yes, the change is that I will now definitely be waiting for the 4K Blu-Ray or at least a full bitrate 4k web-dl as a source.

If you’re asking if it’s possible to extract the flat image? Yes. The HDR grade is stored as metadata on UHD discs, so you can easily retrieve the flat image. As for the bit depth, I believe they’re all 10bit video files.

Well, technically it’s the HDR Output Display Transform (ODT) that’s included in the metadata, as well as the individual shot-for-shot metadata tweaks (HDR custom trims). But the grade itself is actually performed on the log level of the image, so the flat image still has a grade applied to it (just not the HDR ODT). In other words, the “log” image is a graded log image, but it just doesn’t have a contrast curve applied to it yet.

Very interesting, thank you for the explanation!

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#1305916
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Harmy said:

Can that be done? And would it yield a 10 or even 12 bit image? That would be awesome!
As for whether this changes anything for Despecialized, yes, the change is that I will now definitely be waiting for the 4K Blu-Ray or at least a full bitrate 4k web-dl as a source.

If you’re asking if it’s possible to extract the flat image? Yes. The HDR grade is stored as metadata on UHD discs, so you can easily retrieve the flat image. As for the bit depth, I believe they’re all 10bit video files.

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#1305881
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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NeverarGreat said:

JawsTDS said:

Finally, some 4K screencaps of THE PHANTOM MENACE, without the HDR grade. Looks super DNR’d, just like the Blu-ray.


Ya got any picture contrast to go with it?

Hal 9000 said:

Wow, that’s super desaturated.

Like I said, WITHOUT the HDR grade, thus it looks flat and desaturated (similar to a LOG image). If someone wants to do an HDR to SDR conversion, please be my guest.

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#1305758
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Harmy said:

Mandalorian is “out there” in 4K HDR, so the drm has clearly been broken on day one, so I think for those of us who won’t get D+ until 2021 (and believe me, if I could get it now, I’d be the first in line), someone will put the new masters out as well.

Seeing as the new masters are now on Vudu, Amazon, GooglePlay, etc in various parts of the world, a DRM’d 1080p SDR version should come soon… hopefully. These masters need to be seen.

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#1305755
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K
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yotsuya said:

Maaga said:

Danfun128 said:

What master does the Disney+ version use? Is it the same as the 2011 master (or the 2011 master but upscaled)? Is it the 2011 master but at higher resolution? Or is it a new master entirely?

2011

Incorrect. It is a new tansfer of ANH, TESB, and ROTJ with different colors and a few differences. The changes cannot come from being recolored as they restore previously missing colors. I think TPM is as well and TFA likely is nearly identical, but unlike the Blu-Ray master (which had burned in English subtitles for all regions and languages) it has a clean image and you can turn the subtitles off. AOTC and ROTS have no color changes (makes sense since the digital file is the original image, not a film scan) and is likely upscaled to 4k.

Pretty sure they’re talking only about TPM, which if so, would be correct. It’s the 2011 version, but regraded for HDR.

But I’m most excited about this project because the current 4K master blows. Too much DNR.

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#1305640
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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LexX said:

JawsTDS said:

I was able to watch A NEW HOPE in full today.

The 5.1 mix was also quite impressive.

Have they fixed all the errors in the sound mix? Muted music, unbalanced ADRs, and was there even mixed channels?

The ADR still sounded rough for the film, but was still better than the Blu-ray.

Topper Harley said:

I’d love to see someone comparing screenshots for AOTC, since I was hoping for the theatrical grading coming back for quite some time. It was very vivid and dared to have strong reds and blues. In the blu-ray it all went to orange and teal.
As I understand from the comments the grade is somewhere “in between” of those versions, but it would be great to see it. (I’m from germany, so no Disney+ for me right now 😉

The SDR grade is identical to the Blu-ray (at least to my eyes). I have yet to thoroughly check the HDR grade though.

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#1305565
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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I was able to watch A NEW HOPE in full today.

Frozen grain aside (which is a constant issue), it looks great, even in SDR. You can tell the image has been processed, but it’s still miles better than what came before. It felt strange watching the film with proper color grading this time around.

I did notice some color inconsistencies in the grade, but they’re minor. And some of the ‘97 elements look a bit low-res in comparison to originally shot objects in the same frame.

The 5.1 mix was also quite impressive. The film has never looked or sounded better to me.

Is it perfect? No. Will it work for now? Definitely.

The UHD will be telling as to how far they went with DNR. Unfortunately, streaming video does not make for good grain analysis.

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#1304921
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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This recent development has me wondering about those Blu-rays that came out a few weeks back. Everyone was aware that they had the 2011 changes on them, but I wondering if somehow they missed out on the fact that it could’ve had a new scan?

I read that it was just the 2011 discs rebranded / repackaged, but can anyone on this forum definitively confirm that?

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#1304529
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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act on instinct said:

That perspective really makes the 4KSE look like a desaturated 35mm scan. But I can’t really tell, other than the bluray being over sharpened along with some other color strangeness, how much is related to the way that the bluray was cleaned up vs use of a different source. The vignette, was it corrected for the bluray or is it more present from another scan after they decided not to use the blurays?

Some of the vignette comes from the Disney+ pause overlay. It wouldn’t fully disappear when I took the screenshot.