Ah, fair enough.
Personally, I don’t think Qui-Gon is moving to the left so much as he is just backing up from the position he was originally in. I think it’s just the camera angle that’s making it appear that way.
Well, you already mirrored the shot of them going into the vent. Why not mirror the shot of Qui-Gon? Or mirror Obi-Wan’s shot and leave them going into the vent the same?
A couple different ways to play it.
I like it, but it does seem to move just a bit too quickly. What would it look like with Qui-Gon’s shot added back in? Or, at least a portion of it?
On the topic of the speed force scene, I tried my best to fix it only using the shots that were available. Can’t tell if it works tho.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TXMVxHg7gEI6g8naHVJjCws5Npi1Atc4/view?usp=drivesdk
Yup, good enough unless somebody is willing to bless us with new VFX.
Maybe I’m being crazy, but I seem to recall there being a wipe transition in your edit immediately after Mae is tested to Sol telling Osha that she needs to tell the truth if she wants to become a Jedi. You cut out the part where they ask her the questions the first go-around and she gets caught lying.
It makes Indara’s line about going “back” to the questions not make a lot of sense.
I enjoyed watching this edit a great deal. It will probably be my go-to from now on. A shame that it won’t ultimately lead anywhere, though. I just have a few nitpicks:
If you look into some of the areas I suggested, you might be able to trim this edit down to a more digestible 2 hours and 30 minutes.
Awesome! I honestly prefer his impersonation to the AI voice. But it all comes down to whether or not he can replicate the voice filter they used in ROTJ effectively.
The dialogue literally writes itself, too.
Finn: “Poe! Poe! Why did you do that?”
Poe: “You saved me first, remember? Now we’re even. This is how we’re going to win. Not alone. Together.”
Granted, I basically ripped off his speech he delivers in TROS at the end there, but I think any sort of trilogy cohesion is more than welcome here.
God, all of this reminds me of the painful fact that Rian Johnson was too arrogant to just have Finn and Poe go to Canto Bight together - he thought it would be “too easy”. I understand that some character conflict can be interesting, but there really wasn’t any of that between Finn and Rose, either. In fact, there’s every reason to be more conflict between Finn and Poe anyways: Poe should have been the one in awe of Canto Bight, with Finn pointing out the child slaves and going on about his life as a child in the First Order barracks. Maybe pepper in some flashbacks. Would have been epic.
Hell, they still could have had the romance with these two characters! But Disney doesn’t have the balls to put their money where their mouth is at the end of the day.
Sorry, rant over, lol.
I think the line could be clearer, and it would solve most of those issues. Something like - “She knew you’d want to make the sacrifice play.”
I do agree that this goes a long way to solving Holdo’s character. She is on the older side, and it’s her job as a general to keep her soldiers safe and help them grow. So when she refers to Poe as “impulsive” and “dangerous” earlier, what she actually meant under this new context is that he is too interested in grand heroics that cost lives over thinking in the long term and being strategic - “the spark that will burn the First Order down”.
Ironically, this is basically what the movie is already trying to convey with Poe’s arc, but it isn’t able to convincingly tell the audience why Holdo withholding information is both a learning opportunity AND strategically relevant. The original movie is missing that final piece.
I think this also goes a long way to make Poe and Finn interlinked in their character journeys in this film, since Finn will attempt the sacrifice play himself on Crait. It’s a shame that Poe isn’t the one who crashes into Finn to save him, because that would bring things full circle as he imparts the lesson he learned on to his friend.
Yeah, sounds like he just worded it weirdly then - probably due to sleep deprivation lol. The smiley face kind of gave it away.
Maybe he is targeting that holiday 2024 release date seeing as how he’s going at this “non-stop”? I don’t really care one way or the other, but it’s definitely hinting at that.
“It” as in this edit? That would be disappointing to hear after how much work has already gone into it.
The best we can hope for is that they consider releasing them with like the 10 or 20 year anniversary of the movie or something. But obviously that’s both a long shot and will take a long while.
How would you say this compares to Smudger’s edit (just based on their description assuming you haven’t seen it)?
Today’s the day! I’d love a link, if it’s already done.
Yup, the smoke has the best chance of feeling natural. Literally minutes before this moment they already use the toxic gas to their advantage to do a surprise attack.
You might even be able to create the impression that they escaped above/below by leaving a circular lightsaber mark behind - a la Ahsoka and Rex Order 66 or the deleted scene from ROTS when Anakin and Obi-Wan do this move to escape Grievous.
If this could be fixed that would be awesome. Literally no other form of Star Wars media has used this ability since 1999, from what I know.
Is this the best attempt yet?
Your mother once thought as you do-
That’s actually the same clip that I posted here earlier this year.
Hal and I have completed a version of it that is 99% seamless:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DwmceJ0DiMyqbkGC-sEHo_rfelpqBzZV/view?usp=drive_link
It will be fully seamless if we can get somebody to replicate the voice filter of Vader in ROTJ.
Yeah, it’s worth a shot. If it’s easier for him he could just record the line himself 😉 lol
I think it’s virtually flawless in my air pods. I can kinda hear what you’re talking about with the right ear but it might be placebo.
hmm, maybe it’s just me. but it sounds just a tad too loud, and perhaps not as Robotic as the original. not in tone or delivery but in audio.
Yes, the robotic filter is slightly missing for the AI part. Same problem I encountered for Zorri in Ascendant (but surprisingly not Kylo).
Maybe decreasing the volume slightly for that part could help disguise it better. Otherwise, we’d have to figure out how Lucasfilm designed the Vader voice filter.
To reiterate, I don’t think it’s that noticeable. Only people who are purposely paying attention would notice.
I think it’s virtually flawless in my air pods. I can kinda hear what you’re talking about with the right ear but it might be placebo.
If a for-profit company were to be the one doing it a bunch, then I would start to take issue with it. It would feel like they’re milking somebody’s likeness from beyond the grave to get more money - even if they have good intentions. The only way in that case that I think it’s okay is if they’re given express permission to be able to do it. Such as JEJ giving Lucasfilm the rights to clone his Vader voice. They apparently didn’t handle this process right with Tarkin, as you might have seen in the news.
But, as Hal pointed out, not many actors have ever really weighed in on this AI topic properly. I think this is a case of it’s okay (for us) to do it so long as you aren’t financially benefiting until the actor/estate actually expresses they don’t want it done with them. And not doing anything inappropriate with that likeness along the way.
It seems like you’re approaching this from more of a spiritual/supernatural approach. Again, as long as the AI product is honoring their legacy and work, I think it can actually be quite respectful. It shows that they aren’t forgotten and can continue to have an impact on the world by continuing to develop their characters. I suppose a part of it depends on your willingness to separate the character from the actor, though.
It’s a morally grey area. I believe that so long as you aren’t using it for profit or in a distasteful way, it’s permissible. In other words, as long as it’s something being done out of passion for an intellectual property, there’s really no harm in it. But I can’t blame somebody for being uncomfortable about it. I just don’t think that somebody else’s discomfort gives them the right to pass a judgment about the topic for everybody as a whole. It’s a personal thing because of how grey it is.
Maybe one day there will be laws passed about this. But those are never retroactive. For now, it’s the wild west, and it’s up to the people to make sure they’re using these tools in respectful way.
Adam Driver said he didn’t want Kylo to be redeemed. What’s everyone’s thoughts on that?
It certainly would have made the sequels stand on their own a bit more. They wouldn’t be a re-tread of all that common ground.
But at the same time, the problem I have with it is that it goes against the themes that the original movies presented. If the sequels weren’t specifically marketed to be a capstone to the Skywalker saga, I would be fine with them taking a different approach like this. But as a saga, you need to have a unified theme, in this case abundant hope resulting in love and redemption.
They could have had their cake and eat it, too. The sequels would have been absolutely outstanding in my opinion if, over the course of the films, Kylo moved to the light and Rey to the dark (perhaps still as a Palpatine). So Episode IX would have seen a Sith Rey pitted against a redeemed Ben Solo. And perhaps Rey wouldn’t have been willing to turn back to the light because she finally feels like she’s found her belonging with the Sith cult that practically worships her for who she is.
With the cancellation of the Acolyte, I really don’t see much of a point in entertaining the whole “creating life” backstory overhaul (like Osha and Mae). I don’t believe Lucasfilm will explore that thread (no pun intended) in any meaningful capacity to justify such a recontextualization of the entire saga. I think I’ve made the right decision in recalibrating this project to merely improving Rey’s backstory and Kylo’s arc.
I’ve looked through my rough change list at the top of this page and it’s still mostly accurate. I did have an interesting idea of potentially suggesting that Kylo shuts Palpatine out of his head fully when he destroys “Vader” in their vision-fight. Perhaps in the transition from the vision back to reality there could be Palpatine’s Sith scream as he loses his hold over him, or something like that. And Kylo has his mask reforged with that special glowing red stuff to ward his mind from Palpatine’s further influence.
I’m going to officially start working on this project this month, hopefully. I’m just going to need help with a lot of audio editing, really.
I agree that the opening act worked pretty well but there was that moment when Baylan and Shin show up a the henge where I was thinking, “Wait, where’s Morgan? Didn’t they just pick her up?” But oh well, it ended up working out okay.
I had this same thought initially, but it’s explained away pretty quickly in a later scene where Morgan arrives in her own ship. Clearly she needed to make a pit stop to gather all of her witch belongings.
I would recommend it, but it is still far from perfect and that is because the source material was not the best.
I believe Kai said that he was fine with most of the show, it just needed its fat trimmed. I’m inclined to agree with that assessment. To your point, see the following article which seems to suggest that the tactic you’re referring to is exactly what Thrawn does. It just isn’t as effective or precise without more Star Destroyers.
As for my own thoughts on this edit, I thought it was wonderful. Took the show from a 7/10 (due to it dragging on) to a 9/10. I do have a couple issues with it, though: