Here are some Threepio alternatives:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1j7sTrxCcCTn0uyViaGwEhxGWWLYieOmK?usp=sharing
And the original folder:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yqdpXVvX-lVH1Ki8_SLrB6_TJ5O3DD5D?usp=sharing
I’m sure if you mix and match them something will suite your tastes.
Oh, right, I don’t care too much for the reordering of the lines. I was just referring to the rewording of the new line that I prefer. His new line does not necessarily rely on the two sentences afterwards being swapped.
I’ll take a look at the 3PO thing at some point this week. I do think the old lines stick out, so I’m surprised to hear the new ones weren’t at least usable.
Burbin’s line is in the folder, but I’ll link directly to it here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15D3En1pW5lnBkbmMz63kiKusjF6d4nA_/view?usp=sharing
I’m willing to generate other options, as always, but I will say I was having a hard time finding options that delivered the same amount of emotion.
I like Burbin’s updated dialogue quite a bit more, actually. I’ll look into generating that.
And Hal, no rush on this just like the initial release of v5. The longer we let it marinate the less likely there will need to be an updated version (God forbid).
Very impressive. Significantly better than the image manipulator tools previously available.
I’ve experimented with Pinokio before, mostly for deepfakes, and the applications on there had a hard time with certain lighting conditions and facial distances from the camera in movies. For example, I tried replacing Rey’s father’s face with a young Ian McDiarmid, and it didn’t work very well in the scene where he’s on Ochi’s ship. Mostly due to the lighting, but also because he’s pretty far from the camera. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same limitations apply here.
I just have the audio lines at the moment; I don’t really have access to inserting them into the film yet:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1sWvJn8utKM3o28BAUsqHhnz3nhWqDWOO?usp=sharing
One other thing I realized is that our current set of v5 lines is kinda confusing in relation to Luke’s line of “a thousand generations live in you now”. As hardcore fans, we realize this is a direct reference to Obi-Wan’s line from ANH, but a more casual fan would have no idea what generations he is referring to without a reference to the Jedi immediately before. This new set of lines remedies this issue.
“She was quick to learn in our training. But Leia feared the hatred that consumed our father, choosing instead to follow our mother’s path. She confronted her fear by training you as a Jedi, and chose love over hatred. A thousand generations live in you now, but this is your fight. Let Leia’s legacy guide you on Exegol.”
The subtext here would be that Leia’s fear is what caused her to send Ben away to Luke instead of training him herself. She worried that she would make the wrong choices and have them rub off on him. I toyed around with including this in the dialogue somehow, but the moment should really be about Rey and Leia alone - unlike the original which throws a prophecy about Ben in there. Unless there’s a smart way to interject this somehow.
I very much have enjoyed all of these edits as they’ve improved with each version. The only thing I think might not age that well is they may imply in the new Rey movie that Kylo’s spirit literally lives inside of her, hence why he doesn’t have a Force ghost at the end. It’s possible.
I could also see that as a possibility. I mean, that’s at least what the early leaks concerning the Rey movie claimed - that Rey would be pregnant with another set of Skywalker twins, and one of them would turn to the dark side. But I think they scrapped most of that script. Who knows, some of that material might be repurposed, though.
Btw, I made the lines for Luke based upon my last post here already. Just wanted to see if there was any interest. Otherwise, I’ll save it for my special edition of this edit.
I can’t wait to see the first version you mentioned (even though you say it’s for yourself). I’m not entirely sure why so many people are insistent on the inclusion of the flashbacks.
Ultimately, the show should have taken the approach that Plagueis/Qimir were behind flaming the conflict between the Jedi and the witches. And Plagueis taught the coven leader how to create a powerful Force being, but she messed it up and the chosen one split into two. They wanted the conflict to happen so that they could take the children and give the Jedi a bad rep. Killing two birds with one stone.
I’m hoping that by completely removing the flashbacks, or perhaps by sprinkling in a couple of brief visions of their mother(s) as idir_hh pointed out (such as when they are arguing about how the Jedi could discover how they made them), that this becomes the most obvious explanation. Especially after the Sith cameo at the end.
Very bizarre that they reveal Osha and Mae are the same person, and yet they chose two very distinctly different child actors for the flashbacks.
I think I’d be most interested in an edit of this show which completely removes both flashback episodes, but still includes episode 8 - which it doesn’t look like you’re doing here. I think letting the audience decide what happened that night completely on their own is much more satisfying than whatever the hell all that was. As it stands, Torbin doesn’t have sufficient motivations to end himself, the leader of the coven is to blame for her own death by not explaining her decision upfront, and Sol doesn’t explain himself to Osha for some reason. It’s just so much easier to remove all of this problematic writing and let the audience come up with their own explanations.
One other cool change I’d like to see someone make is shifting the Plagueis cameo to the very end of the edit, so that he is watching Osha and his apprentice instead of just watching their ship take off earlier. I think it would be pretty easy to digitally paint out the ship leaving in that shot. And then completely remove the Yoda cameo, since no matter what she says to him, Yoda either becomes an idiot or complicit in all this.
EDIT: The guy above me beat me to it, lol.
I agree 100%. But as I hinted at with my last post, I think v5 has the most thematically relevant solution for the Leia flashback. Previously, Ahch-To felt kind of disjointed. Luke was talking about confronting fear, and then was suddenly talking about how Rey is prophesied to finish Leia’s Jedi path but at the cost of Ben Solo’s life. So Rey doesn’t really have a choice in the matter. Very bizarre.
We are yet to hear Hal’s opinion on this matter, but here is what I think would be a more clear set of dialogue for an amended v5:
“She was quick to learn in our training. But Leia feared the hatred that consumed our father, choosing instead to follow our mother’s path. Leia faced her fear by training you as a Jedi, and chose love over hatred. A thousand generations live in you now, but this is your fight. Let Leia’s legacy guide you on Exegol.”
I think a lot of what you’re saying is just arguing semantics. There is a very clear and glaring problem with two very conflicting perspectives. Either Leia belives Jedi training would help with dark tendencies, or she believes it would make things worse. What she says in TFA contradicts what Luke says about her here, plain & simple.
I would say that this is just black and white thinking. The life of a Jedi is not easy whatsoever (Qui-Gon line from TPM). There can absolutely be a certain level of fear attached to tackling such a lifestyle without thinking that the whole thing is rigged for you to fail. It’s much more complex than that. On the one hand, Jedi training gives you techniques and exercises to keep your emotions in balance, but it also presents you with WAY more opportunities for things to get out of line - such as being in a lightsaber duel with somebody. We see this all throughout the movie with Rey, where she slips up in highly intense moments. Which is why we may just have to revert to the idea that Leia preferred diplomacy and forming relationships to what the life of a Jedi demanded of her.
And we have TWO whole movies where Leia is very clearly NOT a Jedi in any way. It’s stupid for Rey to suddenly be calling her “master” now (add that to the stupid pile for this movie).
Yes, she didn’t have that role in 7 or 8, but with Luke gone, Rey did need a Jedi teacher to continue her training. Leia very clearly stepped in to fill that role for this film. This is clearly set up at the end of TLJ with Leia being by the broken lightsaber and assuring Rey that they have everything they need. To say that she didn’t become a teacher to Rey is nonsense. You’re the one just arguing semantics by calling her a “mentor”.
Ultimately, while what we’ve got for v5 isn’t perfect (as you’ve demonstrated in some ways), the idea that Leia refused to train over the course of 30 years because of a vision that her son dies on her Jedi path is so unbelievably bad. The first thing Luke would tell her after revealing such a thing is that the last time he made the decision to stop his Jedi training to save his loved ones based on a vision (ESB) it didn’t work out well for him. Nor did it for their father (ROTS). Again, I can understand Luke making a hasty mistake in the hut with Ben Solo, but that’s it.
I think there are ways to improve the dialogue in the scene. Perhaps the first line could be changed to suggest that Leia feared something else, such as temptation. And the next line could say that Rey renewed her faith in both herself and the Jedi. But the throughline on Ahch-To which makes the most sense to me is that everyone has their own fears (everyone is flawed) and that Rey is just as capable as Luke/Leia to overcome them and make the right choices.
There’s too much focus on Leia’s failures for it to feel like a positive/reassuring pep talk.
This is intentional. The focus is on Leia’s failures and fears because this is also what Rey has been going through throughout this entire movie. She keeps on just about killing her friends, and she fears that her fate is to take the Sith throne. For Luke to reveal to her that the woman she looks up to with such admiration has gone through the same exact struggles that she has (and, in fact, also tried to give up at one point like both Rey and Luke) but finally chose to continue her Jedi path anyway is what is supposed to inspire Rey back to action. Previously, Rey was treating Leia with such reverence and respect because she figured that she was infallible. This is demonstrated by giving her the lightsaber back initially and her not retorting to Kylo’s claim that she can’t go back to Leia now because of her mistakes.
Then there’s the issue of the idea that Leia would renounce the Jedi out of fear of “the hatred that consumed her father”, that just feels out of character for me. There’s no reason to believe Leia would go down a dark path after dedicating her whole life to the fight against opression.
Bruh. Leia’s whole planet was literally blown up by the Empire. That left her with literally nothing except the fight and a desire for justice. There HAS to be some level of hatred and anger at the enemy burrowed in there. Especially when her own father allowed it all to happen.
And in Star Wars, once you start down the dark path, it corrupts you. So even if somebody like Leia were to use her anger for righteous things, it would turn out badly for everyone.
Furthermore, in TFA she says she wanted Ben to train with Luke specifically because “there was too much Vader in him”. Now, why would she send her son to train with Luke because there was darkness in him, when she stopped training with Luke out of fear of the darkness in her? This is completely contradictory, she would’ve forbid Ben from training in the Force if she believed that could fuel one’s darkness.
It’s important to consider that Leia simply feared confronting that dark potential within her. She doesn’t know if that is also something Ben would also fear facing. Training in the Force is a personal journey, and in Leia’s case she just didn’t trust herself enough to partake at that time. However, she isn’t prejudiced, and wants Ben to give it a try to see if it can still help him. I don’t see the problem here.
Leia never shows any such signs of darkness, and if anything it’d make MORE sense for her to seek Jedi training to quell any potential darkness, just like she did with her son.
We see signs of darkness by the way that she defeats Luke in the flashback. True, we could have used a lot more, but this feels like something that would be explored in more depth by the comics, books, etc. And, as I stated before, she personally found that Jedi training made her afraid for her own mental wellbeing. She was able to control these emotions better following her mother’s path of politics. However, that is no reason to deny it for her son. Everyone is different.
For Leia to give up over some vague fear of inner darkness makes her look weak and foolish. She would need some major motivation (like a premonition of her son’s death) for her to throw the towel immediately.
I think what you’re describing is a lose-lose scenario. A premonition causing Leia to give up is also extremely short-sighted and foolish, because we know that the future is always in motion. Luke didn’t actually give up being a Jedi because of a premonition, but rather because of what he did immediately after seeing one. That was foolish of Luke in the moment, but it’s at least it’s more believable as a spur-of-the-moment kind of thing. As something that Leia brings up with Luke personally on the final night of her training, and continuously chooses as her son falls/the First Order rises, it’s absolutely stupid.
Yes, ideally there would be more context surrounding Leia’s inner darkness, but it’s a lot more understandable than some extremely contrived prophecy dropped at the last second which was always going to happen no matter what choice Leia made in the past.
In this film we see Leia taking on a mentor role for Rey, and it’s explained she can do this because she trained with Luke when she was young, but that does not make her a “Jedi Master”. She doesn’t “teach” Rey anything, she just takes her to the place where she trained with Luke 30 years ago, and tries to give her encouragement along the way, while Rey runs training courses and studies the ancient Jedi texts. Rey is the sole heir/last hope of the Jedi, Palpatine tells Kylo killing Rey will “end the Jedi.” Leia is never part of that conversation, because she’s not and never was a Jedi.
That doesn’t stop Rey from referring to her as “master”. True, I suppose that Jedi are often referred to by that title without the actual rank, but it still implies Leia having at least some sort of Jedi rank. Most certainly a Knight. If in canon that was her final night of training, then she almost certainly has enough training to be Rey’s formal master. The only reason we don’t see her teach Rey anything personally is because of Carrie’s passing. Nothing more or less. But I’m fairly certain that she does these things off-screen.
I’d be down to take a second look at the line I mentioned in my last post. Because a viewer can definitely come away from this sequence believing that Leia made the right choice in giving up and that Luke is telling Rey not to be a Jedi, either. The goal was to emphasize that Leia put off confronting her fear, but once she did that she was able to make the right choice. And as Luke says, “confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi.” Therefore, Leia is a true Jedi.
I disagree. Allow me to explain it like this: the (new) purpose of Luke’s pep talk is to demonstrate that fear/hatred has impacted the decisions of him and Leia in negative ways, but when they were finally able to rise above it, that’s when wonderful things begin to happen.
Luke feared failure and the role of the Jedi in the galaxy in causing it. By the end of TLJ, he announces himself as a Jedi once more and inspires the entire galaxy. In this new chain of events, Leia feared the darkness that came from her father, and chose to forsake her Jedi path. However, when she sees Rey, a young girl with the darkness of Palpatine in her, she rectifies her past mistake. Instead of fearing Rey or hating her for what she can’t control, she takes up her Jedi journey once more and takes on Rey as an apprentice. Leia has learned from her own personal experience in life that she has the capacity to choose love over hatred; this isn’t something ingrained in her because of her father’s DNA.
This is what Luke is trying to tell Rey: follow Leia’s legacy of not fearing that you’ll give into hatred like your ancestors. You have the power to not fall into that trap, as some things are stronger than blood. In your post, you’re making the mistake of assuming that Leia isn’t a Jedi, but this just isn’t true. By training Rey, she has taken on the role of a Jedi master. So not only is she confronting the fear of becoming like Darth Vader again, but she is also confronting the hatred that she surely harbors for Palpatine. The fact that she is able to look past that Rey is a Palpatine and look at her as her own daughter is Leia’s legacy.
EDIT: Perhaps there is indeed a better way to convey all of this, but it would have to replace the line of “Despite losing everything, and everyone, Leia always chose compassion over hatred.” It would have to be something along the lines of “Leia confronted her fear by training you as a Jedi, and chose love over hatred”.
Omg I just about did the same thing again. I’m not even sure why I have that voice model still saved, because I gave you lines from the old model. I was wondering why it wasn’t working well!
Just gimme a few.
EDIT: I have added in a series of lines I enjoy, anyone feel free to let me know if you want alternatives:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yqdpXVvX-lVH1Ki8_SLrB6_TJ5O3DD5D?usp=drive_link
Please don’t take this as any indicator that I want you to rush an amended v5 along, I’m purely trying to save you the hassle of ever having to touch this project again. However, I did notice on my most recent watch-through that there is a Threepio line using the old AI voice model (based on Lego video game lines) and it sticks out pretty poorly. I have provided the more updated lines below which use his TROS dialogue as the input:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yqdpXVvX-lVH1Ki8_SLrB6_TJ5O3DD5D?usp=sharing
I swear to God that this is the last thing on my list lol. I just figured I wouldn’t mention it in my last post because I didn’t want to force a new version. Again, even if some new technology development comes along, I’m not going to expect you to add more stuff in. v5 should remain final for this project. The main reason I’m suggesting this change is because we’ve already updated all the other AI Threepio lines for v5 and this one just slipped through the cracks without me noticing.
That’s understandable. Take your time, Hal.
For what it’s worth, I tried the Ahch-To flashback scene with headphones on and it’s certainly a lot more audible. So I definitely get where you’re coming from. That being said, I do think all the lines after “She was quick to learn in our training…” and before “A thousand generations…” could use a at least a little more volume. Specifically because the way the AI produced those lines has his voice going really quiet in certain places, like “our father”. In a larger room, with just TV speakers, it’s definitely hard to make out what he’s saying.
Hal, if you do end up re-releasing v5 to fix those color issues, you might want to take a look at the volume of Luke’s lines just over the training flashback part. They were pretty quiet and hard to hear, at least on my TV. The line about Leia’s legacy guiding her was perfect in volume, it was just the new lines that came before that one.
Leia’s “Come home” line was also pretty quiet, although I suppose that does fit the scene well enough.
I didn’t notice any other errors on my watch through of the whole edit. In fact the person I watched it with couldn’t tell what was AI or not, so that’s great!
I do think that any Rey Nobody edit should definitely be removing all flashbacks which focus on her parents. We already had the entire previous movie dedicated to that mystery, only to find out that they aren’t important to Rey’s story. This movie should then naturally focus on Rey discovering who she herself is.
With The Acolyte making it canon that people can become pregnant without any sort of physical contact, Palpatine can very easily claim that Rey is his daughter without us having to delve too deeply into the explanation behind such a thing. And then, as RL points out, Luke can explain how blood is irrelevant and Palpatine is a master manipulator so it’s best to not take what he says so seriously. Like RL points out, one of his final lines is him admitting that Rey is actually nothing but a scavenger girl. The point of the story would be that Rey chooses not to believe that she is a Palpatine and she is a nobody adopted into the Skywalker family.
Awesome! Such an exciting day. Thanks to everyone that contributed to this project. Most of the astonishingly cool stuff was from versions 1-4 imo.
I do believe that anything more added to this movie at this point would either have to be deleted scenes (provided they ever release) or would step beyond the goals of this project. Suffice it to say, we’ve definitely got a solid final product on our hands at last!
I mean, I’d say it does line up pretty well with those ideas. The only way in which it doesn’t exactly is the fact that whoever does such a ritual is clearly genetically related to the offspring. So that would make Anakin Palpatine’s son in this chain of events.
I mean, I genuinely enjoyed the first two episodes of The Acolyte. And I really don’t have too much of an issue with these witches having a different understanding of the Force. The problem is the whole implication that
Anakin was conceived by the same method shown in this episode. If they debunk this later on somehow, then cool, but I have a feeling they won’t.
Another thing I noticed is that Osha and Mae appear to share a Force dyad. This will line up even better with our new backstory to explain how that came about for Rey and Kylo seeing as how they all would share similar origins now.
Right, that would still be the message, but I’d nevertheless need to remove the Reylo kiss because we’d have an instance in canon wherein it would appear that the person who performs such a ritual is biologically related to the offspring. So might as well have Kylo’s reveal be something like:
“Palpatine influenced the midichlorians to create life. First my grandfather. And then you. We… are both Palpatines.”
Even if Rey and Kylo choose to deny Palpatine’s control over them, I doubt they’d be willing to risk making out like that LMAO.
This edit may or may not revert back to its original plans based upon the reveals in the most recent episode of The Acolyte. Slight spoilers ahead:
We see in The Acolyte that it’s possible for children to be conceived “without a father”, yet still be visibly related to the person that initiated the ritual to start the pregnancy. Depending on if they delve further into this ritual in later episodes will determine, at least for me, if this edit should return to the idea that Anakin and Rey are the offspring of Palpatine through his remote manipulation of the midichlorians. Especially if it’s revealed that the Sith were the ones that taught their coven this method of conception. One thing that will definitely be removed, if I do return to this idea, is the kiss between Kylo and Rey, because they will be genetically related at that point. It’s visibly clear that Osha and Mae are related to the leader of the coven despite her being biologically incapable of starting the pregnancy in her partner, which would mean Anakin and Rey would genetically be Palpatine’s children if he indeed used the same ritual.
Alternatively, I may end up just completely disregarding The Acolyte as canon in my books and never watch it again because of what it implies about the prequels and Anakin. It all really depends on if they further touch on what was revealed in this episode, and how. It seems to me that they will, because:
a character does mention something about the Jedi potentially discovering how Osha and Mae were conceived and implying it would be very bad. Which gives the implication that the Sith are somehow involved.