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Mielr said:

The best ones are the gummy cola bottles. They look like little half-filled bottles of cola, the bottom half is brown and the top half is clear, and they taste like cola! I get them at Walgreens.

Yeah I tried those, I didn't care for them.

One of the problems with GL is he likes too many establishing shots. I watched the '95 VHS version of SW and ESB last night and I will watch the '95 VHS version of ROTJ tonight. It has been awhile since I watched them, last time was back in '01. I realized that they're more establishing shots in the OOT than I remember. When I watched the OOT being a lot younger, I used to get frustrated about the lack of establishing shots, but now I think they're just enough.

What I don't understand is why GL re-did some of the establishing shots that were just fine before he messed with them. Like the intro shot of Obi Ben's home. I forgot that they did have an establishing shot of his home in the OOT. I got so used to watching the SE CGI establishing shots to realize there were already establishing shots before in the OOT (and done better). Why would he mess with shots like the establishing shot of Ben's home, Mos Eisley, the millenium falcon taking off, the X-wings flying towards the death star with shotty looking CGI when before they used models that looked realer and better.

One thing about the establishing shots in the OOT that made them better is the fact that the camera didn't spend so much time on them. For example, the establishing shots of Mos Eisley, it is a quick shot of the speeder hovering stright down the camera and then quickly cuts into the city. The shot serves it purpose and moves on and works with the pacing. In the SEs, we see these rediculous shots of cheesy CGI robots robots and animals, the shot goes on too long and is overindulgent. It takes away the serious tone of Mos Eisley. Same with the X-wings heading towards the Death Star, before we saw a quick take of the model x-wings, it fit with the pace of the movie, the new CGI shots of the X-wings are overly long and overindulgent. I think the fact that the models had more limitations, Lucas wasn't able to do as many point of veiw shots that he wanted so the shots were quicker and the compromise worked in favor of the pace of the movies.

What I don't understand is why did Lucas wast his time and money redoing stuff like that, putting CGI establishing shots over OOT shots, changing color tones digitally changing beautfiul paintings which were fine before, and didn't pay attention to the glaring errors like the light saber incontinuity, special stuff etc. It's like, the guy used the CG for all the wrong reasons redoing these movies. He said Star Wars was only %25 of what he wanted when it first came out. So far it seems like he has changed it %2, I'd hate to see the other %73.

I have never owned a laserdisc player, but it sounds like a primative form of DVD. It sounds like a better format compared to VHS to me because it contains data digitally on a disc so it doesn't degrade over time like film in a VHS tape. I wonder why VHS won the format war over laserdisc? Can people with more knowledge explain the pros and cons of VHS and laserdisc?  

AFI seems to be into old school filmaking, I'm sure if GL didn't have rights to control AFI, AFI would used old school footage of the OT in their shows.

Lucas cares that much about hiding the past that he specifies to AFI exactly what footage they can show of the OT? I don't think any other producer or director would care what footage AFI shows, but no, Lucas has to be that big of an ass. Can't wait untill he dies.

how do you post images?

I have to confess, I am addicted to gummies. I like gummy bears, gummy worms, and especially Realfruit gummies made by Dare Foods. Everyday I crave them and usually I'll buy 4 bags at a time and hope I eat them in moderation, but I usually eat them all in one day, sometimes I can stretch it to two. Anyone have same addiction?

I read somewhere that that during the making of the PT Lucasfilm occasionally would report fake news just for fun about the PT in SW insider and such. One time, they put out a trailer poster of episode 3 with Jar Jar prominently shown in it to tease fans into thinking Jar Jar would play a large role in the movie. 7 people were reported committing suicide over this. Another time, Lucasfilm announced as a joke that Hayden would be all CGI in episode 3, one person was reported committing suicide over that. Were these true?

I think this is one of those star wars things that are just aimed for kiddies like the posters said above, us OOTers are not suppose to be interested in it. Of course, Lucasfilm has never had consideration for us and I found the PT to be aimed at the kiddies too.

Who made that GL in carbonite? That has been like the 4th time someone has made thread on GL shown carbonite on this message board. Is that a real thing or was it generated on a computer? I would love to see GL's face when he sees that. I think if GL dies and we finally get the DVDs the way we want, in every box set there should be a printing of GL in carbonite with Lucasfilm apologizing for GL's obstinence.

Rob said:

Hey don't blame me for my constant typos, I didn't put the keys so ridiculously close together. Be honest, do you still believe in the flying man in the sky?

Rob, it's nice to finally find a demo to back me up, but for god sakes man, learn how to spell before you tell someone they need to be "edjucated". I thought you were joking when you did that. You should've pretended you were, it would've made you look wittier. I got exhausted trying to defend myself against these conservatives.

Hello?

This site used to come with a set of star wars character photos to choose from for you username, but now they're gone. What happened to them, why didn't you transfer them with the new software? I tried to upload a picture myself but they're way too big. I don't know how to downsize pictures to fit in the space you allow. The only way I know of is shrinking it with Microsoft paint, but they would have to be so small it would lose all the detail. I liked the star wars character photos you used to be able to choose from, are those coming back? Why go through all the hassle of redoing the software when the old version was almost exactly the same and had more features? I liked it better.

Yeah I guess you guys are right, I don't know what I was smoking when I typed that.

Has Lucas gone completely crazy??!!! You just don’t get it George, nobody wants to see your wet dreams. After 3 strikes of the PT and then Indy 4, nobody is going to be fooled this time. Face it, it’s over. The only way anyone will pay attention to this is if Jar Jar Binks dies a violent death! George, why don’t you use all those computers for something useful for a change, have that thing killed a gruesome death so the world can gasp a sigh of relief. Of course, that will contradict your super-duper special edition since you arguably put him in ROTJ, but who cares!!!

 
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originally posted by zombie84: I don't think anyone disagreed these "flaws" existed--clearly, the matte lines are visible. Its not a question of opinion; they are there. No one ever pretended these technological limitations didn't exist, there simply is no need to update it in the first place. Its like people who can't watch any film made before 1990, or anything in black and white--its not "up to date". No shit. Movies are products of their time.

That's why I think GL had no business messing with the films 20+ years to begin with. I think one thing about movies that is cool is seeing them as a product of their time. I would much rather see a movie as it was during the time of its initial release in theaters with all the dated effects and all than to see it changed and updated years later. It is one of the beauties about cinema. From the sound of it, we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg of what GL wants to do to the SW films. I remember rumors passing all over the boards saying that GL is in the works of not only updating the SFX more, but also the technology used in the film as part of the props to meet modern standards. It sounds like he wants to have the films continually updated to modern technological standards forever and attemp to destroy the previous versions from existence. GL doesn't even seem to be that pationate about SW anymore, I mean, for god sakes, he couldn't even recognize the iconic cloud city music theme in ESB in a recent interview! I don't know why he neglects fans of a franchise he is not even that fond of.

Even if GL does eventually give us the OOT how we want it, I will still think he is a moron for changing the films and continue to criticise him on forums, unless he apologizes (fat chance in hell). I think he is lucky he didn't get lawsuits on his hands for altering the films without consent from all the creators of the movies. I'm sure he violated some people's rights doing what he did, but it sounds like the people's work he changed, either they're dead now or didn't care enough to retaliate against GL. Plus in the '04 DVD commentary of the films, I don't recall GL ever acknowleding the shameless changes he made.

I have a 6/768 DSL connection through Covad and my ISP is dslextreme. With overhead my connection is more like 4.6/640. It is always going out. I think I have line issues, I just switched my modem and it seems to be more stable now, but I think I will be getting cable soon, even though I have to go through concast. My DSL always goes out while it rains and can't reconnect until after the storm has passed. I live in MN and the only options for internet is DSL or Cable through Qworst and Concast. No fiber-optic service availible for residential prices. What internet connection do you have and how do you like it?

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Well, I was generalizing, I'm not in a very good mood right now. The thing that I don't like is, the difference between Democrats and Republicans is not night and day like it seems our people like to catagorize them as. But I just feel Democrats take this country in a better direction in an inadeqate world. I find most wealthy democrats share the same views as the common man and earned their money more civilized than a lot or reps. Hilary made a lot of her money writing books and smart investing. Most republicans seem to be wealthy because they inherited it. Of course, I'm just generalizing, there's good people in both parties.

originally poisted by ferris209: A trained monkey could have stood in for Clinton. The reason he looked so good is because he happened to be President during the "Technological Revolution" and he was President when the "Reaganomics" theory was in full swing. All of the money Reagan put back into the pockets of entrepreneurs in the 80's was paying off all through the 90's.

How dare you compare Clinton to a trained monkey. I haven't resorted to childish insults and I get labled as the self-righteous person. I don't label people as "liberal" or "conservative" because I don't think that accurately portrays who they are. Democrats are the ones who are more conservative with our budget. They're usually so busy trying to pay off all the money the republicans blew they don't even get a chance to show how much more responsibly they would spend it.

Well we all know Wall-Mart is a real good example to your "Reaganomics" theory, ferris209. They treat their employees like shit and it is one of the wealthiest corperations in the world! Without the government involved, you think they would give their employees anything? I read Wall-Mart was giving people applications to fill out for wellfare even though the company could easily give their employees more money. See they're taking advantage of the system too. Sure, Wall-
Mart prices might be low but that's only because they are trying to drive everyone else out of business so they can charge whatever they want.

You said you're a cop right? You salary is paid for by the government right? While there might be some truth to what you said, I don't think so.

edited: Right, and comparing America's econemy during the Clinton Administration to the Bush administration, your theory proves me wrong? I don't think you'll find wealthy people adjust prices according to taxes. Most wealthy people are stuck up assholes who couldn't care less about us. Money corrupts, the more you have, the greedier you get. We need the government to put a leash on these people so we can keep things in order from escalating out of control to a third world country like what has proven to happen all over the world and through history. If you compare government or union to non-union jobs, you will find the union ones have better pay, better rights for their workers, and better quality work to non-union industries in most cases. Then perhaps we wouldn't mind paying higher prices if it means we have higher salaries and the workers are happier because they have more rights, better pay, and the product is better quality. You don't realize how sick people are. We would still probably be having people work for slave labor if it wasn't for unions. The governemnt system (run under democrats) is looking out for people more then private businesses.

ferris209 said:

Janskeet said:

ferris209 said:

Janskeet said:

ferris209 said:

I would not call us "hardcore republican", I myself am an independent conservative, as I would tend to think about 75% of us here are. I would like to believe (and do assume) that the reason conservatives here are the majority is becuase of the demographics of the typical Star Wars fan. Most Star Wars fans are white, middle class, working, males in their late 20's and 30's. I assume that since this is the case, we have lived long enough to realize that welfare programs do not work, large government is never a good thing, taxes suck, and American defense is priority. The idealistic socialist ideas are usually that of college kids who don't know how this world even works. I, personally, do not like paying execessive taxes just to see my tax dollars spent on feeding and giving healthcare to some crackhead. Of course, this is just my assumption.

Well, I will agree with you that I don't like paying taxes to our current government. How can you just absolutely say that welfare programs do not work? There's always going to be people who take advantage of a system that gives out money to people. There's no way to get around it. Usually the number of people who take advantage of it is much smaller than the people who are using it responsebly. But you should've by now learned that you have to weigh out the bad with the good and realize that it is still helping out a lot of people in need who deserve it. I liked Bill Clinton's welfare program where he had people who were working and making under a certain wage get it and not just let unemployed bums get it. I found part of life is helping out people. I think our world is sick enough as it is without having to escalade it by refusing people services that we can easily supply if we're just willing to give a little. I think we are a sick society to think everyone should defend themselves. How do you tell that to a child who is born with difficienties in an unsupportive famiy?

 

I truely don't have a problem hepling folks out when they need, but don't fool yourself, our system is more often than not, abused. I am a Police Officer and I will tell you that most of the people I deal not only think "Disability" is a profession, but they feel they are entitled to it for some reason, most of them can get around just as good as the next person. Disability is highly abused and there needs to be some serious reform in that area. They sap the welfare system constantly. Here's what I'd do with the welfare system. Allow noone more than two years worth of any welfare or assitance program within any five year term, i.e. if Mary utilized welfare for a year then gets off of it for one year and uses it another year, she would have to wait two more years before she could utilize it again. Also, I would make it MANDATORY that EVERYONE who uses any welfare assiatance program (including W.I.C., Disability, and section 8 housing) should submit to a drug test at least quarterly, or more often if necessary. If they fail the test, then they get no assistance. I just think we need to wrangle the system a lot more than we currently do. Although I do agree that we shouldn't have a total "don't help noone" policy, but on the same token we need to tightly secure any welfare program and make sure it is not abused or overused.

Whatever you say, programs that give money to people in need is not what is bankrupting our country like republicans want you to think. It's corperate scandals and giveaways to big businesses and that is continually putting the country in deeper dept. 9 trillion dollars in dept? And that's low estimates! How can we say we are the wealthiest country in the world? At least poor countries are not in dept like we are. I guess it is because we have the industrial capacity to pay it off. Everytime we have a republican in office, they blow the budget, give wealthy people enough tax breaks to the point where they are actualy making money off the system, make the working class pay more, and basically just take advantage of working class citizens to benifit the rich. And then what do they do, they blame it on democrats and wellfare programs. They're just trying to brainwash you into thinking we are not capable of doing nearly as much with our money as we truely are. Frankly, I've always found democrats to be much more intelligent on the issues and trustworhty on manging our tax dollars so that it will benift all of us in one way or another, not just the rich. Giving tax breaks to the weathest people in the country is only making our econemy weaker and eventually will turn it into a third world country, which is what they want.

 

I will disagree with you. I truely believe in "Reaganomics", and I have the 90's as evidence that it can succeed. If you give the wealthy tax breaks and put more money in thier pockets to invest, they will grow their businesses and create more jobs. In short, the working man has a better opportunity becuase the wealthy has more money. If you attempt to punish the rich for being wealthy, like Obama wants to do, then not only will the job market decrease, but all of the products you buy will go up. The rich have to offset their loss somehow and what better way than to charge more for the product and take it out of your pocket.

 

I do not believe that taxes go up under Republicans, but they sure do under Democrats! Isn't it funny how you and I both live in the same country but have such different perspectives.

Right, and comparing America's econemy during the Clinton Administration to the Bush administration, your theory proves me wrong? I don't think you'll find wealthy people adjust prices according to taxes. Most wealthy people are stuck up assholes who couldn't care less about us. Money corrupts, the more you have, the greedier you get. We need the government to put a leash on these people so we can keep things in order from escalating out of control to a third world country like what has proven to happen all over the world and through history. If you compare government or union to non-union jobs, you will find the union ones have better pay, better rights for their workers, and better quality work to non-union industries in most cases. Then perhaps we wouldn't mind paying higher prices if it means we have higher salaries and the workers are happier because they have more rights, better pay, and the product is better quality. You don't realize how sick people are. We would still probably be having people work for slave labor if it wasn't for unions. The governemnt system (run under democrats) is looking out for people more then private businesses.

ferris209 said:

Janskeet said:

ferris209 said:

I would not call us "hardcore republican", I myself am an independent conservative, as I would tend to think about 75% of us here are. I would like to believe (and do assume) that the reason conservatives here are the majority is becuase of the demographics of the typical Star Wars fan. Most Star Wars fans are white, middle class, working, males in their late 20's and 30's. I assume that since this is the case, we have lived long enough to realize that welfare programs do not work, large government is never a good thing, taxes suck, and American defense is priority. The idealistic socialist ideas are usually that of college kids who don't know how this world even works. I, personally, do not like paying execessive taxes just to see my tax dollars spent on feeding and giving healthcare to some crackhead. Of course, this is just my assumption.

Well, I will agree with you that I don't like paying taxes to our current government. How can you just absolutely say that welfare programs do not work? There's always going to be people who take advantage of a system that gives out money to people. There's no way to get around it. Usually the number of people who take advantage of it is much smaller than the people who are using it responsebly. But you should've by now learned that you have to weigh out the bad with the good and realize that it is still helping out a lot of people in need who deserve it. I liked Bill Clinton's welfare program where he had people who were working and making under a certain wage get it and not just let unemployed bums get it. I found part of life is helping out people. I think our world is sick enough as it is without having to escalade it by refusing people services that we can easily supply if we're just willing to give a little. I think we are a sick society to think everyone should defend themselves. How do you tell that to a child who is born with difficienties in an unsupportive famiy?

 

I truely don't have a problem hepling folks out when they need, but don't fool yourself, our system is more often than not, abused. I am a Police Officer and I will tell you that most of the people I deal not only think "Disability" is a profession, but they feel they are entitled to it for some reason, most of them can get around just as good as the next person. Disability is highly abused and there needs to be some serious reform in that area. They sap the welfare system constantly. Here's what I'd do with the welfare system. Allow noone more than two years worth of any welfare or assitance program within any five year term, i.e. if Mary utilized welfare for a year then gets off of it for one year and uses it another year, she would have to wait two more years before she could utilize it again. Also, I would make it MANDATORY that EVERYONE who uses any welfare assiatance program (including W.I.C., Disability, and section 8 housing) should submit to a drug test at least quarterly, or more often if necessary. If they fail the test, then they get no assistance. I just think we need to wrangle the system a lot more than we currently do. Although I do agree that we shouldn't have a total "don't help noone" policy, but on the same token we need to tightly secure any welfare program and make sure it is not abused or overused.

Whatever you say, programs that give money to people in need is not what is bankrupting our country like republicans want you to think. It's corperate scandals and giveaways to big businesses and that is continually putting the country in deeper dept. 9 trillion dollars in dept? And that's low estimates! How can we say we are the wealthiest country in the world? At least poor countries are not in dept like we are. I guess it is because we have the industrial capacity to pay it off. Everytime we have a republican in office, they blow the budget, give wealthy people enough tax breaks to the point where they are actualy making money off the system, make the working class pay more, and basically just take advantage of working class citizens to benifit the rich. And then what do they do, they blame it on democrats and wellfare programs. They're just trying to brainwash you into thinking we are not capable of doing nearly as much with our money as we truely are. Frankly, I've always found democrats to be much more intelligent on the issues and trustworhty on manging our tax dollars so that it will benift all of us in one way or another, not just the rich. Giving tax breaks to the weathest people in the country is only making our econemy weaker and eventually will turn it into a third world country, which is what they want.