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#1367514
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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thebluefrog said:

StarkillerAG said:
But Yoda was only a joke for one scene in ESB, and he was intentionally acting silly to test Luke’s patience. It wasn’t his entire character for the whole movie, like slapstick Hux in TLJ.

I realized what was so “off” about TLJ’s tone: it felt like the prequels–specifically, Phantom Menace.

When making the originals, Lucas had people reigning him in to keep his manchild humor at bay. That’s why ROTJ started to go offbeat, since he didn’t have his ex-wife and editor peers going “man, that idea just doesn’t work.”

Phantom was the same way, especially when you look at the infamous documentary footage where his yes-men think he went too far in places but no one stood up to him. People hate Jar Jar because of the tonedeaf slapstick, and most of the side characters are already long forgotten. Anyone really remember Boss Nass or the Shatnerians? Likewise, very few people are demanding more Holdo, Rose, or nameless Mr. “Don’t Join”…and Hux and Finn were reduced to useless Jar Jar gags.

I think Rian Johnson was a bigger fan of the prequels than anyone else at Disney, which is why TLJ had the most direct references. Unfortunately, this also brought Phantom’s manchild humor back…and it really hurt the tone and writing. Solo would’ve been a better film for Rian to go wild on, since its self-contained nature wouldn’t clash with the other sequel films’ tone as much.

I think a good edit could fix Finn and Hux, but as I’ve said earlier, the tech and footage just isn’t there yet. For all its flaws, the Colin T. script gives BOTH of them a better plot and resolution. Maybe someday we can deepfake that into a real movie…assuming Disney doesn’t just erase the sequels anyways.

Having just rewatched it, there’s only that opening scene that bothers me. But I agree that Trevorrow’s script handled their arcs better. And LOTS of people were pissed that Rose was left out of TRoS, especially after the racist and sexist backlash. I also personally loved Holdo, and kinda wish they had adjusted The Last Jedi after Carrie’s passing to have Holdo continue leading the resistance rather than the lacklustre use of her archival footage in Rise of Skywalker. But rather than arguing about those films, let’s keep focused on how to adjust the fan edits.

Does anyone think there’s a way to move Crait into Rise of Skywalker and move some of Rise’s smaller subplots into Last Jedi? This could introduce Pryde sooner, make the Resistance’s escape and the Holdo manoeuvre the third act climax, and allow Luke’s battle with Kylo to help set his redemption in motion as the end of the First act in Rise, especially with Luke’s comment that his father will always be with him (Han with Kylo) setting up that “memory”/haunting at the Death Star.

That might help make the films more cohesive, though it would require a lot of creative editing…

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#1367481
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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thebluefrog said:

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

Having Hux be an acolyte of Sidious would’ve done wonders to repair his joke image from TLJ.

Pryde was a useless character; Hux could’ve fit his role fine. Or even have Phasma return again in either role as Sidious’ mole or Rebels’ mole, since she’s a selfish backstabber already.

Maybe an edit could be done someday of erasing Pryde and just making it all Hux.

I think Hux was the spy and killed off so quickly because of the negative feedback from TLJ. I wish they would have developed it more or just had him take the role Pryde had in the film. The spy subplot is just so rushed and empty in the theatrical film.

TLJ Hux began with a “yo mama” joke and then was slapped around like a ragdoll.

His character was deliberately reduced to a Jar Jar joke and there was no coming back from that.

Imagine if Empire started with Vader comically slipping and falling and then Han waves “LATER, YA BIG DORK!”

That would’ve killed the gravitas of the character from that point forward and probably killed ROTJ.

Hence “negative feedback”. I think there was room to come back from that, especially if you look at Yoda’s portrayal in ESB. Point is, that plot line was thin in TRoS, and could have been fleshed out more or they could’ve dropped that subplot and given Hux the role Pryde filled in the final film.

Another solution would be to move the spy subplot up into the other films, which would be difficult with Finn being incapacitated between TFA/TLJ and his style change in TRoS, and introduce Pryde a film earlier. This would also help validate Holdo’s secrecy, since she did not know how the First Order caught up with the fleet.

(This is the radical redux thread, right?)

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#1367460
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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thebluefrog said:

Knight of Kalee said:

I don’t know how plausible that idea is but it kind of makes me wish Pryde had an overarching presence across the three films, or merge Hux and Pryde’s roles as a more competent right hand man for Kylo.

Having Hux be an acolyte of Sidious would’ve done wonders to repair his joke image from TLJ.

Pryde was a useless character; Hux could’ve fit his role fine. Or even have Phasma return again in either role as Sidious’ mole or Rebels’ mole, since she’s a selfish backstabber already.

Maybe an edit could be done someday of erasing Pryde and just making it all Hux.

I think Hux was the spy and killed off so quickly because of the negative feedback from TLJ. I wish they would have developed it more or just had him take the role Pryde had in the film. The spy subplot is just so rushed and empty in the theatrical film.

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#1367437
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Hoop28 said:

axlanian said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I moved all of this victory montage after the Resistance victory scene on Ajan Kloss. That way it can be The Resistance and their new fleet aiding in taking down the First/Final Order.

Hal, are you gonna do this? It makes more sense than “suddenly, unpopulated Jakku took down a Star Destroyer”

I feel it doesn’t flow as well if you move it after the Ajan Kloss celebration, especially given the musical cues and Finn’s line of “people are rising up all over the galaxy”.

I changed the music around a little bit anyway, and cut Finn’s line (also cut him seeing Rey leave, because that’s just odd to me with the way they react when they meet at the celebration).

Just a thought though.

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#1367425
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Knight of Kalee said:

TK-422 said:

Unrelated, but do you think it would work to move the scene from TROS where Palpatine’s speaks with General Pryde into TLJ? To make it work you would have to sprinkle in some small mention of him earlier in the film, whether it’s from Snoke, Kylo, or whoever. “Pride” is a fairly common word, so I don’t think it would be impossible to find a clip of Andy Serkis or Adam Driver saying that. This is also operating under the assumption you’re using something like Poppasketti’s ending, with Palpatine speaking to Kylo. This scene with Pryde would happen right after Kylo hears Palpatine’s voice on Crait. The Emperor’s mouth is covered by his cloak and the hologram blur in this scene, so you could add in other lines from Palpatine to replace the existing ones without worrying about his lip movements. I haven’t tested this out, so maybe it’s just not worth the effort, but I think it could do a few things. 1) You establish Pryde and Palpatine early, so the films feel a bit more cohesive. 2) It adds a bit of characterization to Pryde and the First Order at large, showing how chaotic it is after Snoke’s death. Pryde is working directly for Palpatine, Kylo is off doing his own thing, and Hux is trying to sabotage him. Making this scene our introduction to Pryde recontextualizes a lot of what he does in TROS.

Anyway, it’s just an idea. Like I said, it might be too much work for something that may not add a lot, but I think it would make the characterization of both him and Palpatine more interesting and bridge the gap between both films.

I don’t know how plausible that idea is but it kind of makes me wish Pryde had an overarching presence across the three films, or merge Hux and Pryde’s roles as a more competent right hand man for Kylo.

Pryde’s disdain for Hux comes from his failure at Starkiller Base, so I can’t see Pryde having a presence in TFA.

Finding a way to put the “board room” scene into TLJ somehow, would help establish their relationships… but you’d have to move Kylo discovering Exegol into TLJ (I put it at the end of TFA to replace Rey travelling to Ahch-To). Maybe you could cut the start of the scene about the spy from TRoS, and add the rest of the scene before the Battle of Crait. This gives the Resistance time to kinda regroup and attempt to send out their signal across the galaxy. Maybe Kylo’s helmet being reforged could be between Luke interrupting Kylo & Rey touching hands on Ahch-To and Rey arriving to see him unmasked. Or it could be right before the board room scene.

TLJ is already insanely long, so I don’t know if that would work.

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#1367417
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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HyperDown said:

Forgive my terrible memory, but why are all these Star Destroyers exploding over random planets? (I only saw TROS once, so I might be forgetting something).

There’s a line about people rising up all across the Galaxy I believe? But the real reason is convenience.

I moved all of this victory montage after the Resistance victory scene on Ajan Kloss. That way it can be The Resistance and their new fleet aiding in taking down the First/Final Order.

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#1367342
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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TK42-WAN said:

I think the sabre hidden in the rocks should be Ben’s. The one we see in the flashback in TLJ. It could be easily implied that he abandoned his sabre after destroying the temple, and Luke found it and hid it the walls of his hut. Metaphorically, Rey repairing Luke’s mistake. Also, it’s as if the force is aware that Ben has turned and his calling for his sabre to be returned to him.

The tricky think is Ben uses Anakin’s saber throughout the third act, while Rey uses Leia’s. It would take a lot of work to swap out the hilts for every shot.

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#1367293
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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dgraham414 said:

bbghost said:

dgraham414 said:

Sorry for the quick small posts but should the shot change from Coruscant to Naboo right on the swell of the music? I don’t know if that type of editing works for a film, my only experience is Music Videos

JEDIT: Or a beat after where it comes in would work too

The purpose of the shot’s inclusion in the first place was to not have to mangle the music edit due to moving the Endor shot earlier in the film, I’m not sure there’s a way to make that work smoothly.

You wouldn’t adjust the audio at all, just shortening or lengthening different shots, leaving the audio alone.

I think they have limited shot lengths anyway, as even these created shots are based on existing footage.

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#1367234
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Brewzter said:

I get that Luke and Rey used it for extended periods of time, I just think it’s strange to call it their’s when Anakin also used it and built it. If all three used it, why wouldn’t the named ownership go to the one who built it and first used it? This makes even more sense given that Luke and Rey both built their own sabers.

Especially when the color of the blade comes from the crystal harmonising with the person building the saber.

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#1367220
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Icecream2448 said:

Does it really make that much of a difference if it was 3 or 5 years, people? Why is this message board getting bogged down with so many off-topic discussions?

Because people make thematic points and their opinion gets attacked despite validity.

This started by asking about re-focusing the ownership of the lightsaber as Anakin’s/Leia’s Father’s. This would reinforce the fact that Anakin made the saber, as well as Kylo’s obsession with it. Kylo also reclaims the lightsaber after he follow’s Anakin’s path away from the Dark Side.

All of that was contradicted with “Luke had it for two movies so it’s more his!” Then I gave a rebuttal of looking at instead of live action film screen time, in-universe character time. People attacked that too.

But this started as something on-topic.

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#1367207
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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StarkillerAG said:

Well, this is… unexpected. I really hope you’re telling the truth.

Even if you are, I think the personal decisions of people working on the Clone Wars show is different than what the canon has been saying for years. Even after the show was aired, all canon sources still said it was 3 years.

Canon sources said Ahsoka buried green lightsabers and that Rex, Gregor, and Wolffe all had their chips removed together.

Which canon sources trump which when they contradict each other? Ahsoka can’t age from when she’s introduced to where she ends up in three years. The final season alone takes place over the course of six months, Ahsoka’s walkabout taking place first, followed by The Bad Batch arc, followed by the Siege of Mandalore.

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#1367193
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Tobar said:

JakeRyan17 said:

If you instead wanna go by years, Anakin had that saber throughout the five years of The Clone Wars, Luke had it about 2-3 years, and Rey had it for a single year. With that, then we have Anakin building it and using it for longer than Luke and Rey combined, and Luke building and using a different saber for 25-30 years.

The Clone Wars were only 3 years though.

Anyway, I can see the logic behind the edit idea, it just doesn’t seem necessary.

It was five years. When the movies were first coming out, they said it was two years in old EU materials. But as The Clone Wars series was being developed, that team decided that overall it would take place over the course of five years (mainly allowing for Ahsoka’s development and growth).

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#1367173
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Tobar said:

Brewzter said:

Has it been considered to change all of the dialogue about Anakin’s saber to reflect that it’s his? For example, Maz’s line in TFA is fine: “That lightsaber belonged to Luke, and his father before him” but there are lines in TROS that call it Luke’s when it’s, well, not. Luke built his own. For example, when Rey tells Leia “I will earn your brother’s saber” could brother somehow be replaced with father?

Luke owned it for two films while Anakin only had it for one. It was definitely Luke’s just as it was Anakin’s before that.

I think it’s more that even when Luke used it, he treated it as his father’s lightsaber. Just as you’re making the connection that Luke used it for two films, Rey used it for three. If you instead wanna go by years, Anakin had that saber throughout the five years of The Clone Wars, Luke had it about 2-3 years, and Rey had it for a single year. With that, then we have Anakin building it and using it for longer than Luke and Rey combined, and Luke building and using a different saber for 25-30 years.

With all of that, I understand re-emphasising the lightsaber as Anakin’s rather than Luke’s, especially with Kylo’s desire to obtain it as part of his devotion to Darth Vader (as it was Vader’s first lightsaber as well).

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#1367079
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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NeverarGreat said:

But if that were the case, it would disconnect from our POV as Finn since he appears to believe that Poe went down with the ship.

The other films and the third act elevate Poe to a POV character anyway, so following him earlier in the movie isn’t a big deal.

You could potentially rework scenes from the Resistance base on D’Qar, including the deleted scene where someone asks “any word from Poe”, and you could engineer a new reply of “we found him” or something.

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#1367025
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Brewzter said:

I agree that’s a message to take away from TLJ, but there’s something to be said about honoring the past too.

I feel like it does honour the past, but it focuses on the past’s ideas and flaws rather than just reusing props and plot ideas. Again, look at how Yoda was used, and the overall message of the movie. It was never disrespectful. Look how it treated Luke, imagine how disrespectful to the character to pretend that he just paused for 30 years with zero growth— especially with Abrams making him a macguffin, where he has let this new empire rise and Han die. If he was as we remembered him, that plot point should never have happened.

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#1367021
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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The message of The Last Jedi is stated most clearly by Yoda:

“We are what they grow beyond.”

It’s about letting go of the past, but it shows that there’s a heathy and an unhealthy way to do that. Luke and Kylo do it by destroying the past that they’re unable to be rid of. Poe, Rose, and Rey learn to release it, grow from it, and protect others from making their mistakes.

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#1367016
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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I didn’t want her building it, I just wanted it to appear, like Luke’s appeared.

As for treating it like a joke, I don’t feel that’s as out of left field as is being suggested. It’s being tossed to show that it’s not a holy object, and given where Luke is at spiritually makes the most sense for his character to do. Calling it a laser sword is quoting the original trilogy, and again echos the dismissiveness that fits Luke’s character. As for porgs playing with it, that’s no more silly that Luke about to stab himself in the face in A New Hope or Anakin’s previous lightsaber being chopped in half and Anakin treating the moment like his parent is gonna ground him for getting a bad grade on homework.