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#1381706
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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NeverarGreat said:

That’s a clever idea!

My ideal version would be a 3 in 1, more heavy on cuts than most versions to focus on a single important event for each act - The Riddle Game, Bilbo vs Smaug, and the Arkenstone dilemma. Rivendell would be cut entirely, for example, in order to give more time to the elves which have a real effect on the plot.

I could see that, I guess there are still so much… stuff. Bilbo’s and Thorin’s relationship has got to be the core of the narrative. It would still have to be a massive movie to fit those big moments, but keep everything that gives the Arkenstone plot meaning… but if it’s possible to pull off, that would be great.

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#1380578
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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L9B5 said:

JakeRyan17 said:

L9B5 said:

Would it be worth adding Palpatines transmission from Fortnite? That would make a good intro

Didn’t part of it get put in that meeting on Ajan-Kloss? I feel like we did a few rounds on this topic.

Potentially, but there’s over 250 pages and I’ve only seen the last 10 pages so I’m not so sure

Haha, fair enough. I’m pretty sure part of the message is in there, when everyone is talking about the intel from the spy.

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#1380405
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Movies Remastered said:

Being colourblind tjat whole scene is a nightmare for me to edit. I’m really debating whether I should use the purple lightsaber scene, because I can’t see the colour haha.

For some reason the Gray LUT really allows me to see so much more detail and depth within those scene so I definately think a more natural post Palp pallet could be used. Thanks for you feedback.

Sure thing.

And totally get why the greyscale would help. It would be better contrast, along with the cones/rods not needing to decipher colours they’re struggling with.

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#1380346
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Movies Remastered said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Movies Remastered said:

I’m also going for the Gray look for Exegol but was thinking of restoring the colour after Palptines death, kinda showing the dark side was stripping all light and colour from Exegol. What are your thoughts on this idea?

I think that could be a cool idea, but if it’s only restored to blue, I don’t know how much you’ll feel the impact of that. The blue almost feels less natural to me, I feel like the blue fading into more natural stone colours, be that the grey or into warmer tones, would give that effect more. Even if you start with grey and go into warmer natural stone colours. Blue is the least natural for stone or nature though, to the point that it’s wondered if humans could even see the colour blue for most of history.

Yeah, I’m trying to avoid the original colour but bring back a more suitable tint. Watching the scene back in thinking of doing after Rey’s resurrection instead, kinda representing the balance returning maybe?

That makes sense, I was just suggesting that when you change the colour, post-Palpatine’s defeat, to change to a warmer colour. Like sandstone or something, going from grey to tan/orange/red tones

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#1380290
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Movies Remastered said:

I’m also going for the Gray look for Exegol but was thinking of restoring the colour after Palptines death, kinda showing the dark side was stripping all light and colour from Exegol. What are your thoughts on this idea?

I think that could be a cool idea, but if it’s only restored to blue, I don’t know how much you’ll feel the impact of that. The blue almost feels less natural to me, I feel like the blue fading into more natural stone colours, be that the grey or into warmer tones, would give that effect more. Even if you start with grey and go into warmer natural stone colours. Blue is the least natural for stone or nature though, to the point that it’s wondered if humans could even see the colour blue for most of history.

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#1380275
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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I think if it’s to solve the monochromatic nature of the scene, it would be better to change the environment or the lightsaber (as some have changed Leia’s saber to purple) than to make a drastic change that causes so many story questions.

Blue lightsabers have been associated with Jedi, but nothing else blue has been. Even blue blaster-fire has been more associated with the clones/stormtroopers. Blue/cold hued settings have been more associated with the villains throughout. Saying blue = good and red = bad seems really simplistic and not at all rooted in anything beyond lightsabers.

As far as newly established things being different, Exegol and Leia’s lightsaber are both new and haven’t been established as something else in prior films. If the monochromatic nature of the scene is an issue, changing the elements that we haven’t seen in so many of the other films might be a better solution.

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#1380168
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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StarkillerAG said:

Hal 9000 said:

Let’s not call people Trump, please.

I know, it was an exaggeration. I shouldn’t have said that.

“Exaggeration” doesn’t quite capture the jump from “I don’t like the change in colour because it doesn’t make story sense” to a homophobic white supremacist that’s killed over 210,000 people this year… 🙄

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#1380136
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

This is about as productive as an average political debate.

I’d go further: It’s about as productive as the Trump vs Biden debate.
JakeRyan is Trump in this scenario.

Because THAT statement is productive. 🙄

I’m only disagreeing about concepts and content, I’m not actively trying to be an asshole to you.

But we’re just saying stuff like “I think it looks cool” while you’re saying “BUT ACTUALLY, there’s never been any red lighting in the movies before, so you can’t just show it without any explanation, OBJECTIVELY WRONG!”

Completely ignoring the fact that new Force powers have shown up all the time without explanation in these movies, and that’s how Force lightning became part of the franchise in the first place. That’s why I made that comparison, because it just feels like you’re sucking the fun out of a potentially neat idea.

And i didn’t resort to attacking you as a person, I talked about storytelling techniques and why introducing something that impacts the plot is different to changing something that had already been established. It’s not a new power, and if it is… it should be presented as a new power. But it isn’t.

You’re countering that with “it looks cool, and you’re like Donald Trump for disagreeing!” 🙄

But I already established that new powers can show up in Star Wars with no explanation. Force levitation showed up, and no one treated it like it was anything new. Force lightning showed up, and no one treated it like it was anything new. Force running showed up, and no one treated it like it was anything new. The list goes on. Red lightning isn’t really a new power anyway, and it doesn’t affect the plot, it’s just an aesthetic choice to highlight Palpatine’s power.

And the Trump comparison was a bit too extreme. But AniStar had just mentioned political debates, so it was right there.

If it was a new power, being treated like a new power and being reacted to accordingly, I’d agree with you. But it isn’t. Rey is prepared and recognises it, from her experience with Snoke and her own earlier use.

Looking at these other examples of new powers being established: people react to them. It affects what’s going on. Changing an established power in the middle of the climax, doing it without the ability to make characters react to the change, it just doesn’t work for me.

Being a dick because it’s easy to be a dick isn’t a great excuse.

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#1380128
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

This is about as productive as an average political debate.

I’d go further: It’s about as productive as the Trump vs Biden debate.
JakeRyan is Trump in this scenario.

Because THAT statement is productive. 🙄

I’m only disagreeing about concepts and content, I’m not actively trying to be an asshole to you.

But we’re just saying stuff like “I think it looks cool” while you’re saying “BUT ACTUALLY, there’s never been any red lighting in the movies before, so you can’t just show it without any explanation, OBJECTIVELY WRONG!”

Completely ignoring the fact that new Force powers have shown up all the time without explanation in these movies, and that’s how Force lightning became part of the franchise in the first place. That’s why I made that comparison, because it just feels like you’re sucking the fun out of a potentially neat idea.

And i didn’t resort to attacking you as a person, I talked about storytelling techniques and why introducing something that impacts the plot is different to changing something that had already been established. It’s not a new power, and if it is… it should be presented as a new power. But it isn’t.

You’re countering that with “it looks cool, and you’re like Donald Trump for disagreeing!” 🙄

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#1380125
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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StarkillerAG said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

This is about as productive as an average political debate.

I’d go further: It’s about as productive as the Trump vs Biden debate.
JakeRyan is Trump in this scenario.

Because THAT statement is productive. 🙄

I’m only disagreeing about concepts and content, I’m not actively trying to be an asshole to you.

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#1380069
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Brewzter said:

JakeRyan17 said:
If the Red Lightning is more dangerous, that should impact the stakes of the film, and be reacted to as being more dangerous

How could it have been perceived as any more dangerous than it is? He saps their life force and then single-handedly disables an entire fleet of thousands of ships.

The film as is doesn’t present him as more powerful, just directing that power to other places. If we see something new and different, our characters should react as if it’s new and different.

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#1380041
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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thebluefrog said:

DZ-330 said:

thebluefrog said:

Sith was never said in the OT…

Actually, there is a deleted scene from the conference room where a Sith Lord is mentioned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Erf6s_wYJk

Yeah, I’ve seen that clip. Good stuff, should’ve been in the film.

It’s unlikely the internet nerds of 1977 were able to pass the clip around, though…so “Sith” was still definitely unknown to the majority of the world until Phantom.

“Sith” was on trading cards and toys that were released even prior to A New Hope. It didn’t spread over the internet, but it was known by the nerds and collectors of the time. Same with Palpatine’s name.

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#1380025
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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The difference with Return of the Jedi and The Emperor’s first use of lightning is that he is a new character. It’s established as he’s being established. Red Lightning would be introducing something different to what had been established before. That’s the point. If it had always been red, or always fluctuated colour between characters, this would be different.

And I get what you mean, but there are still different ways of establishing without “spoon-feeding”. Even using the example above, the change is what needs to be established again— because it’s changing something we’re already familiar with. If the Red Lightning is more dangerous, that should impact the stakes of the film, and be reacted to as being more dangerous, but that doesn’t happen. Also, part of the film’s plot revolves around Rey worrying that she is inherently evil. It matters that when she sees lighting directed at her, that it matches the Lightning she used.

Establishing unexplained things as the way they are is simply different to changing established concepts and powers.

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#1380024
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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poppasketti said:

Darth Muffy said:

What I took out of RoS which I really liked the idea of was how it explained Palpatines “stike me down” lines both in RoS and return of the jedi. I like to think that meant that if Luke struck him down in return of the jedi with anger he would of possessed Luke the same way Rey would of been possessed if she stuck him down in RoS through the sith ritual.

This is actually something I don’t like about TRoS. The literal nature of a possible spirit transfer being the real motivation behind one of the crucial moments of the original trilogy cheapens the moral implications for me. In Return of the Jedi, I always thought Palpatine was saying that anger and hatred were corrupting and destructive forces, and that even if Palpatine were to die, he still would have won by corrupting Luke. I realize that doesn’t literally make a ton of sense given Palpatine’s ambition and ruling an empire, but it makes sense in the context of the morality tale that the original trilogy was. This added motivation means there’s a reason for Luke to resist temptation other than showing poise and maturity in the face of evil.

That corruption is also what enables the transfer. That’s part of the poorly-executed explanation of how Rey kills Palpatine without being possessed at the end of Rise of Skywalker.

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#1379990
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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It’s a name that was created for that storyline. Palpatine, much like the term Sith, was used for the OT and its marketing materials. Sidious was treated as his truer name, with Palpatine being more of the disguise.

Every other film in the franchise, including first instalments of two other trilogies. This wasn’t like Lord of the Rings, where it’s one story spread over 6-9hrs. It was a first story, but he failed to tell a complete story.