ImperialFighter

Bingowings said:

Images that illustrate a point should (in my view) be largely discernible at a glance.

It brakes the flow of a discussion if you have to click on an image to see it at all.

I'd prefer to have a reasonable standard size limit which can be clicked on to get a better look so people following the thread can make out what the postee meant without clicking but if they want to put the effort in they can make the effort to open up the full sized image.

Having a row of in thread links might speed up the loading times but it may slow down the flow of appreciation of the ideas presented on the page (an image can sometimes be worth a thousand words and the extra loading time).

Archived images from early on in older posts could also be adjusted to meet the new size limit.

Jay, thanks for confirming that you'll be giving the option of a 'wider' page look in the forum for those that prefer/are still used to that layout.  Options are always welcome.

As far as the 'embedded images' thing....while I agree that needlessly large images are annoying, I also have to strongly agree with Bingowings point that being able to show direct, 'at-a-glance' images is a very welcome and useful function to have in many instances.

I'd be sorry to lose the option to show 'reasonably'-sized photos/screenshots directly in a post, for the very reasons Bingo has said about that.

But I wonder how many posters actually know how to 'shrink' the size of certain images here?  Being the computer-illiterate heathen that I am, it was only last week that I personally discovered how to do this.  ( for those that don't know yet:  say you come across a random image on the net that you want to post - if you right-click on it and then click onto 'Properties' at the bottom of the pull-down menu that appears....as well as seeing the 'image URL' code in the info. that appears, you'll also see the size dimensions of the image too.  So when you go to show the image on the forum, when you click the 'insert/edit image' tree icon at the top of the 'reply' box to enter the 'image URL' code....you can also enter your own size dimensions just underneath....  For instance, if the image seems large to begin with, just enter size dimensions that are HALF or QUARTER of whatever the image size is of the picture you want to show )

Perhaps a 'sticky' with some info. along these lines could be put up?....followed by 'strong encouragement' for offenders to 'quick edit' any extreme examples they post?

Something that does bug me is when someone's 'too-large' image is needless 'quoted' and re-shown again by someone else, just so that they can inanely post something like 'that's cool' underneath it, or something equally trivial. That kind of thing should definately be bitchslapped out of here with a much protest as possible!

Loving the new petition wording by the way.  And the new logo too.  Very 'retro'....and very subtle.

Good stuff Jay, and I really like the final wording you've come up with for this latest petition requesting a decent Blu-ray release for the OOT.

Whether GL decides to tinker even more with the colour/sound/'creative choices' of his 'Special Editions' for their Blu-ray debut or not, or even if he adds a couple more extra bells and whistles to them for their eventual '3D conversion' release....an anamorphic, cleaned-up release of the original, unenhanced theatrical versions is definately long-overdue.

I'm 6ft and slim in reality, but always liked this artwork I came across on the deviantart site by a guy called Joe Wight -

He may be a little short to be a Stormtrooper, but I like his attitude.

Wow xhonzi, that's one mean-looking teletubby, lol.

Anyway, at last I have revealed myself....

adywan said:

I may be eliminating that shot

I reckon your 'composite' shot of Vader approaching the front of the Bridge was a truly awesome new 'camera-angle' which looked great in the context of this preview sequence of (partially unfinished) shots you showed a while back -

The addition of the 'wide' shot of the Bridge along with the 'composite' angle added greatly to this 'Executor' scene I thought.  They really helped to clarify Vader's movement from his last position in the 'alcove' on the right (where we then cut to aboard the Falcon)....to him then going to the front of the Bridge.

After the Falcon scenes in the original, we just cut from the top shot of the 'Executor' and TIEs here, straight to the back of Vader's helmet, then to the bottom shot.  Even though the background in the bottom shot is being amended to match the established layout, I'd still be sorry to see either (or both) of those additional Bridge shots go now.

A couple of other things -  I'm pleased the 'interference' of the viewscreen is being kept, but it'll take a little getting used to not seeing those brief AT-ST moments anymore....  Oh well, I guess any enhancements to the AT-AT shots we may get will more than make up for their loss. 

And as far as the colouration throughout 'ANH:Revisited' goes, I was blown away by the 'stylized' look of the DS interiors especially.  Considering the awful base colours of the 2004 version, the overall new look of 'ANH:R' was truly a revelation.  'ESB:R' seems to be shaping up to look equally fresh where it's colours are concerned.

Great news that your mother has improved, and that exclusive lengthy 'asteroid' clip sounds a great preview to start off the New Year with, for those that can help out.

Ghost said:

I'm getting ready for the focus to change from ESB to ROTJ.  I know it won't happen now but hopefuly sometime soon.  I can't wait to see how good an average SW movie can get.  

Well I hope any focus on ROTJ is kept to the likes of the 'ESB/ROTJ Wishlish' for the time being, as I think it's gonna be a while before the 'ROTJ:Revisited' thread comes along.

There's still plenty to do on this present edit, and I know there's quite a bit of 'Empire'-related stuff to come on here yet that hasn't been covered so far, but will be eventually.

vaderios said:

Sure, and it sounds great, but it would entail showing several AT-STs from various angles in several shots of the battle sequence....and I just don't know how Adywan can achieve that.

Thats an awesome idea! 3d?

Well that possible technique goes without saying, but actually expecting Adywan to achieve that amount of matching movie-quality 3d into various shots throughout the battle is a bit unrealistic surely?

By the way vaderios, I always liked that old Yoda poster, and love what you've done with it!

Monroville said:

6 to 12 (or 2 for every AT-AT: one to cover each side) ... the idea is to show an actual task force.  5 AT-ATs alone could get taken out easily by ground troops; having a good squad of AT-STs would be akin to blitzkrieg tactics used by the Nazis, as well as account for taking out any troops trying to get underneath. 

If the Empire is sending in a small group to rush the rebels, I can understand only 5 AT-ATs being there, with said group of fast moving vehicles to cover said AT-ATs ... even so, it would be nice to see a more realistic depiction of military behavior.

Sure, and it sounds great, but it would entail showing several AT-STs from various angles in several shots of the battle sequence....and I just don't know how Adywan can achieve that.

Perhaps other AT-ATs (and AT-STs) have been deployed to approach the Rebel Base from other directions too, unseen by us....

Monroville said:

I still wished Ady would add more vehicles.. even if it was more Scout Walkers just to show that the Empire has an actual army.  Even if there still has to be only 5 AT-ATs, to see a good 12 AT-STs around them would be impressive.

12 of the devils? 

I agree that more would be impressive, but given Adywan's previous comments here on all that, I'll just be glad if he decides to keep even that one in the AT-AT shot at all....

Sevb32 said:

Anyone else with me on the idea i proposed above?

Have to say an emphatic no on that.

Not that it wouldn't have been great to have won the single 'workprint' at the time, but I doubt that Adywan would want to feel pressured into releasing more unfinished versions out there.

As far as any May 'deadline' that keeps cropping up, I'm not expecting that, and can happily wait to see if the fully completed version does appear next year at all.  And with Adywan's latest announcement, things are naturally on hold for now anyway.

In the meantime, there is already an ongoing 'donation drive' on, and anyone that can spare even a little to this project that will give them so much in return, should be doing so as it is.

It'll be ready when it's ready, and patience is required for it to be done properly.

I had a feeling you may have been tied up with something recently Adywan....  Sorry to hear your mum has been poorly, and everything else can take a back seat in the meantime. 

I can understand how those extra postal charges from abroad must have been frustrating too.  Seems we get gypped here every which way these days.

Nice clip.  I especially like the shot that 'pans upwards' from the AT-AT's legs to a 'close-up' of it's head.

vaderios said:

PS: I still waiting for that dagobah/ hoth flipped shot analysis ImpFighter :D

I haven't forgotten, but there's a couple of other things I'm hoping to show first.  :)

vaderios said:

 

 

 

Tried to eliminate the white spots replacing them with space. Assuming that the cave has gases and smoke(as we see later) some slight rays of light enhance the depth here.

Just remembered to add that I always thought those individual 'white areas' seen at the cave entrance here seemed a poor continuity error considering that the opening itself is one big hole!  For extra continuity in the sequence, it would be neat to see a small asteroid passing overhead in any new starfield that Adywan puts there.  Just seeing the starfield at all will be good though.

Ripplin, this shot isn't static it turns out, as the camera pulls back slowly as the Falcon approaches us.  That movement definately adds something to the shot, even if it remains at this original angle.

adywan said:

But i don't care how long this takes me to do. If an idea comes up that i think would benefit the edit then i will try to do it, even if it delays the release by an extra year or so. The last thing i want to do is rush the edit just to get it out there and look back thinking "god i really wish i had done that" and not be happy with the finished product.

Bingowings, I wouldn't worry too much about adding any more suggestions here, even at this stage, as there's plenty of stuff that Adywan has to try to do yet anyway.

While I reckon he has a certain idea of just how far he wants to go with changing things in his 'ESB:Revisited' version, I always liked his attitude in this post that he has towards what he wants to achieve with these extensive projects.

But I agree that the 'ESB/ROTJ Wishlish' thread is more than sufficient to keep things simple for other continued ESB musings and early ROTJ ideas until Adywan eventually starts his main 'ROTJ:Revisited' one for that.

ChainsawAsh said:

I'm still very apprehensive about what will happen when Ady gets his hands on them (and ROTJ, for that matter) - I think there's a high risk of a very intense backlash against Ady if he changes "too much" about the prequels/ROTJ.

I've no doubt that anyone interested in Adywan's edits will end up appreciating what he's able to do to 'enhance' his edited versions.  The majority of his changes are bound to be for the better going by his previous work.

It's not like he's replacing the originals for anyone that doesn't like his eventual choices.

Ghost said:

Yeah, look how simple and boring the space battle looks. That's something that I hope adywan improves in his ROTJ R edit. This is the last battle in the saga, I think it should be a little longer and more epic. It could really change the whole feel of the movie and the trilogy.

You must have missed where Adywan already confirmed his intention to make the ROTJ end battle the most impressive of all, since it now ends the 'whole' saga.  Rest assured it's gonna be epic Ghost.

Some 'Avatar' updates - 

The upcoming onslaught is picking up momentum, and some very neat featurettes have just been released over at the 3D site 'Marketsaw.com'

However, anyone wishing to avoid 'spoilers' are advised to avoid them, but those that aren't bothered by that will see some good stuff over there.  It seems that the final running time is going to be 2.5 hours.

It also seems that the airwaves are again about to be assaulted by a potentially huge 'ballad' attatched to the movie which could bring even more attention to it -  http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/avatar/

A major t.v. channel here in the UK is having a week of 3D-related stuff, and there was an hour-long programme last night called 'The Greatest Ever 3D Moments', which is being repeated again tonight.  It featured an interesting, irreverant look at the various developments in 3D over the years.  The number one 'moment' was considered to be the latest 3D 'revival' which is going on right now with the new 'polarised' technology!

You'll be able to see it online here for a couple of weeks yet on Channel 4's catch-up '4 On Demand' site -  http://www.channel4.com/programmes/3d-week/4od  (note: it was bit too saucy in places for kids to be watching, as 3D 'porn' was featured too!)

....and they also gave a helpful tips guide here for anyone who still has the old-style 'anaglyph' glasses, showing how to get the best effect out of them -  http://www.channel4.com/programmes/3d-week/articles/get-the-best-3d-effect

vaderios said:

But since Adywan has confirmed he plans to put 'retractable' teeth on his 'Slug mouth' version,

Not sure about that. i think that ady will not make a slug interior mouth.

I'm looking forward to it, as it's listed under the 'Asteroids' heading on his planned list of changes on page 1.  He might decide to go another effects route though.

vaderios said:

Taking The idea from SWWR switching the angles in the death star escape i came to that conclusion that stylisticaly and visualy would be nicer if the angle is upper rather down. So the falcon seemed to enters from the up before switching again to normal one in the later shot.

Tried to eliminate the white spots replacing them with space. Assuming that the cave has gases and smoke(as we see later) some slight rays of light enhance the depth here.

 

I really like your 'downwards' angle in this shot though vaderios.  Nice idea.

And I remember hoping for this asteroid opening to show the starfield and a hint of the asteriod belt beyond it for consistency.

I'm not sure about your 'mist' idea in the shot that follows, as I think I'd prefer that kept to the inside of the Slug itself, although it might get 'steamy' in there I guess.  However, it's difficult to guage just how far down in the hole the Slug actually is, but like Monroville, I also remember suggesting that there could be a hint of the 'open mouth' at the bit seen in the distance in the cave shot he showed.

But since Adywan has confirmed he plans to put 'retractable' teeth on his 'Slug mouth' version, then I guess we shouldn't necessarily get a glimpse of teeth at this point anyway, as he may be planning on keeping that reveal for when the Falcon goes to escape.

I also really liked your new 'sky' in Leia's 'apartment' shot vaderios. :)

Monroville said:

Hmm... should the Falcon be somewhere in the middle of the frame?  Could the "big one" that Han wants to get closer to be the moonish one on the left, with the asteroid directly northeast of it be the one the Falcon does a spin underneath of to avoid?

Not to mention, at 2:24 to 2:28 from this clip, the Falcon is veering to our right, so when the camera changes to show it flying away at 2:29, it should indeed be moving to the left side of the screen in the image above (toward the bigger one), as opposed to being at the far right corner (though I could see the Falcon heading left, then turning to the right, accounting for the moment leading to Han's decision, whereupon he veers back to the left towards the big one we've seen previously, as shown above).

I can't say that I've ever thought of the Falcon's path as being this or what was shown in your diagram Monroville. 

In the shot immediately before the one shown here, the Falcon looks like it is then straightening up as it goes offscreen and we watch a few moments of this TIE starting to tumble downwards towards us....so that by the time we cut to this shot here, it looks correct and the Falcon looks like it's where it should be - it was straightening up to then veer to it's right as shown here.

Although big, I never saw this asteroid shown here as being the one they eventually enter.  I recall bringing up how I really disliked the big asteroid shown here because unlike the rest of the ones we see, it merely seems to slide across the shot, rather than be 'tumbling' a little, and is too rounded unlike the 'irregular' shapes of the others.  However, vaderios reckons that Adywan has confirmed that it's going, so YAY! from me, as I must have missed that.

To me, it's always seemed that the Falcon then travels quite a bit yet from it's right-hand position in this shot here before we eventually get to see the final big 'irregular'-shaped asteroid in front of the cockpit window as Han says "I'm going in closer to one of the big ones".

vaderios said:

Just to clarify, the area I was referring to which ends in Vader being seen to go down steps is behind where those crewmembers are looking on here.  Where the steps led to was just barely out of sight here, but I always thought that the doorway to Vader's control quarters were just down there -

Which its get depressing how close are everything in a 20 Km ship :D

 

Well I stand by what I thought were reasonable and logical enough reasons for that which I listed in my 1st post on this page here -  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-NEW-TRAILER-AVAILABLE-NOW/post/385576/#TopicPost385576  

.....and I've always assumed that the other stairs that went upwards on the far left of your 'dimming lights' shot led to other areas that would access the rest of the large 'tower' they are in, with lifts to the main bulk of the ship itself (there's certainly a doorway on the left just as Vader enters the 'control room', as well as one further along which would give access to that side of the 'tower', and there would be some on the other side too)....but I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Adywan reckons for his version.

 

 

Vaderios, there is indeed a momentary 'dimming' in this shot, and it's on the GOUT too.  It looks as if there was a deliberate (?) slight dimming of the lighting above the main walkway only.

So what do you think? requires fix? Or its a trick so the eye move off from the background?

 

Not sure about it either way vaderios, but it doesn't look like the whole shot has darkened, but only that the lights above have dimmed a little.  Could be a couple of reasons why the 'Executor's lights might dim I guess.

TheTome said:

I'm curious, the SE shot of Vader's shuttle flying toward the executor, could that not be used as Needa's shuttle flying over instead?  Keep the shot, change the context?

Are you meaning actually replace the existing new shuttle drop shot with the SE shot so that it looks like we now fade in from Yoda to seeing 'Needa's' shuttle heading upwards towards the underside of the 'Executor'?

Or do you mean cutting to the SE shot after the point in Adywan's new shuttle shot where it's just dropped out of the Stardestroyer bay....or something else altogether?

ImperialFighter said:

 

Having looked at all the relevant scenes, we never see that path and door (to Vader's quarters) clearly.  What we do see is Vader turning the corner on his right, once he's past the 'control room' section, after Piett tells him that the Emperor wishes him to make contact.  We then cut to a few seconds (approx. 5 or 6) of the 'Executor' coming out of the asteroid field, before cutting back to Vader inside his quarters.

I reckon this brief cut to the Executor works fine in 'real-time' before we cut back to Vader in his quarters, because I think the dooway to his quarters is literally just around that right corner that he turns into.

Unfortunately I don't have a screenshot of it, but later on, just after Vader has choked Captain Needa, he then disappears off around that right corner again, and just before the scene ends, we can see that he begins to go down steps.  The 2 'security guards' seen standing in front of the doors in the 'unused' shot seen below here (one can be seen in the actual shot above), are not at the top of the stairs that Vader goes down after he chokes Needa....because I believe they are the 2 'security guards' that happen to be disposing of Needa at this point.

Here's an 'unused' shot showing the outside doorway to Vader's quarters, which is just barely out of shot at the end of the Captain Needa scene....showing the steps that Vader goes down at that point -

'Security guards' are normally stationed outside (as they seem to be at various other doorways, too), but were carrying Needa away in the scene where they would have been positioned here normally, which would have identified the positioning easier for us to begin with.

Just to clarify, the area I was referring to which ends in Vader being seen to go down steps is behind where those crewmembers are looking on here.  Where the steps led to was just barely out of sight here, but I always thought that the doorway to Vader's control quarters were just down there, as seen in the 'unused' shot above -

vaderios, there is indeed a momentary 'dimming' in this shot, and it's on the GOUT too.  It looks as if there was a deliberate (?) slight dimming of the lighting above the main walkway only, at this point in your right-hand shot.

vaderios said:

Artistic License? XD

Well everything comes down to that and personal tastes of course, and I'm interested to see how much or how little Adywan will end up altering those initial 'Executor' reveal shots.

But apart from the positioning of the Stardestroyer underneath it, I always thought the eventual 'long shot' of the 'Executor' worked well.