See you removed the droid from Han's first 'close-up' too Jaitea. Will be interested to see how this plays out with audio in your finished version eventually.
Obi-Wan said:
Luke's rescue clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwULLrS8ZXw
@ 6:46, downfall of the Tauntaun: Is it just me or does anyone else notice that the falling Tauntaun still has this effect of a stop-motion-creature (especially the leg)? It doesn't look natural, i. e. smooth.
As far as I recall Adywan did improve the movement of the tauntaun in the first scene we see one (Luke riding it), didn't he?
The clip you linked to is still messed up. Here's a perfect version - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJD6fUC7VxY
Can't say that one ever bothered me though, as I thought it was just part of the charm of the stop-motion work. I remember Ray Harryhausen saying that he deliberately 'over-exaggerated' certain movements to add 'character'. I reckon Phil Tippett did the same.
adywan said:
ImperialFighter said:
....so although the 'scaling' issues may have to slide, I reckon things would have tied better together if we could at least have seen the brief hint of an 'opposing leg-joint' coming in-and-out-and-in-again added during the approximate 5 seconds of 'prop' footage where Luke swipes upwards with his lightsaber....
I'm planning on building a model of the top leg joint to replace the movie version to fix the detail and try to match the movement. It's impossible to fix the gap between the two leg joints because it would block out the hatch but there may be a way to add a hint of the other leg. If i can't get it too look right though it will have to stay the way it is.
Wow, another model! Fingers crossed that things here can be improved a little.
vaderios said:
Something ive noticed is that the tube/tool/whatever that is near han is moved when the droid pushes it. but in the next shot in the close up its again at its first position.
already fixed :)
Great stuff.
vaderios said:
And secondly if the AT-ATs are so low how the heck can fire at snowspeeders in straight lines. Arent the lasers supposed to be from the ground(aka Walkers)?
The tiny AT-AT's are being replaced so it looks like they are flying closer to the walkers
More great stuff.
ImperialFighter said:
vaderios's top 2 'zoomed-in' shots are taken from the single shot where Han gestures to the moving beeping droid and tells it to "Wait a minute", where it then immediately comes to a halt and stops beeping before Han then asks Luke "You all right?
We then cut to Luke who responds "Yeah", and then cut to the 'close-up' of Han seen in the 3rd shot down. At this point we now see the droid continue to beep and trundle past Han....
Well Han actually says "wait a second" and the droid does wait then carries on with what he was doing, so he did obey Han. I think its fine the way it is.
Oops, that's right, Han says "Wait a second", rather than "Wait a minute", so it can seem as if the droid has started up on it's way again a few moments later. Although it always seemed jarring to me, and I'd have preferred it to have remained off-screen while waiting for Han's instructions, this possibility works okay too.
adywan said:
I'm totally jealous IF. we haven't had a flake of snow here :(
Be careful what you wish for.... ;)
Yeah, it's been a nightmare going back to work this week. While it was neat for the kids to get a white Christmas here, I thought it would be gone in a week, so it's certainly outstayed it's welcome now.... I went into my fridge to heat up....brrrrr....
Sorry to hear about the bad luck with the car. Such a hassle. And I remember seeing the news item about your town centre's big gas explosion....scary stuff....
By the way, did you get my PM okay that I sent on 7th Jan. about a couple of things?
He's given that whole background a far more interesting look with the way he's tweaked some of the angles too!
doubleofive said:
Knightmessenger said:
Although if someone wants to nitpick, the new petition here simply asks for the original versions restored, while the banner could suggest we want whatever version as long as the colors are proper. Some people unfamiliar with the films might think from the banner that the original versions were released with the wrong colors when that was actually one of the things the unaltered dvd's got right. I don't think it's a big deal but those who would call us "whiny fanboys" might use it as another lame response.
Right, I just liked Ripplin's "Blu Not Blue" line. I can try something along the same lines with GOUT vs Adywan's AVCHD, but I don't have a clever line for it!
Ah, Knightmessenger threw up a very pertinent point there.
It seems I may have mistakenly believed that these banner designs were to encourage better-coloured versions of the 'Special Editions' of the OT on Blu-ray....as let's face it, that's definately the versions that GL will want to release first and foremost again. And even though I didn't agree with a lot of GL's tinkering choices, I'd at least like the masses to see better looking versions of them this time round....
If that is the intention with these banners you came up with doubleofive, then as far as the layout of your long example here, might I suggest moving your Blu not Blue! lettering up so that it's positioned at the top instead (although Yoda's features may need lowered a little so that his eyes etc. aren't obscured too much in that central shot), and align your Sign the Petition for a proper restoration of the Original Trilogy on Blu-ray! lettering on the bottom left instead, while keeping a single http://originaltrilogy.com/petition/ aligned on the bottom right where you currently have it.
If on the other hand, you mean that you're going to try for a banner emphasising how we'd actually like a well-presented 'GOUT' version of the OT on Blu-ray, as opposed to the badly-coloured 'Special Edition'....then perhaps you could keep the Blu not Blue! heading, and just change the longest lettering to Sign the Petition for a proper restoration of the pre-Special Edition Original Trilogy on Blu-ray! instead.
Just some thoughts.
vaderios said:
And secondly if the AT-ATs are so low how the heck can fire at snowspeeders in straight lines. Arent the lasers supposed to be from the ground(aka Walkers)?
This is an interesting one too vaderios.
The shot shown at the bottom here comes at the point where Luke says "Rogue Three" just soon after General Veers has told Vader's hologram that he can start his landing....and at about 45 seconds before this shot, we can also see a similar, small, 'lower-down' AT-AT in the distance during the shots where Luke says "All right, stand by, Dak", and then where Dak replies "Oh, Luke, we've got a malfunction in fire control"....
While the height/angles of all the various other AT-AT laserbolts seen firing at Speeders during the rest of the battle seem fine....the horizontal ones in these particular 3 shots do indeed seem to make it look like they are coming from off-screen AT-ATs that are too high up, when compared to the height of the AT-AT seen in the distance....
So unless the off-screen AT-AT's that are firing at the Speeders in these 3 shots are supposed to be on a steeper incline on the snowplain than the small, distant one somehow....then perhaps Adywan can re-'angle' the trajectory of all these laserbolts a little....although I'm not sure if the small, 'lower-down' AT-AT should be seen in all these shots anyway....considering the footage afterwards makes it seem that the Speeders travel a fair distance before they come to the ones that are firing at them....
vaderios said:
Something ive noticed is that the tube/tool/whatever that is near han is moved when the droid pushes it. but in the next shot in the close up its again at its first position. Posible fix? dont move it or change its position. The mockup isnt showing the correct solution :(
Hey, that's another one I never noticed before. :)
It would indeed be good to see that small 'prop' stay in the same position when we first see it, to match the shots afterwards (or 'erased' from all the shots if not)....
However, there was always something else that bothered me with this scene....and it could be that these shots were filmed in a different order to the way they were edited together, which could also explain this now -
vaderios's top 2 'zoomed-in' shots are taken from the single shot where Han gestures to the moving beeping droid and tells it to "Wait a minute", where it then immediately comes to a halt and stops beeping before Han then asks Luke "You all right?
We then cut to Luke who responds "Yeah", and then cut to the 'close-up' of Han seen in the 3rd shot down. At this point we now see the droid continue to beep and trundle past Han....
Then after we cut to Luke setting off, we cut back for a second time to a similar 'close-up' shot as the 3rd one down where Han then says "Be careful"
I always thought that it would be better if the droid was 'erased' in the first 'close-up' that we see of Han...as it seems as if it's just started off again on it's own accord, rather than waiting as Han asked.... Should it be off-screen and waiting at this point?.... It could still make the beeping noises we're used to hearing in the shot while it waits off-screen though.
Guess we'll just have to see if Adywan thinks it should be a surly, disobeying workdroid or not, I guess....
So hands up all those that thought 'Avatar' would pass the billion-dollar mark after just 17 days of release then....
Looks like Cameron has proved to be a real kick-starter for this whole 3D deal after all.
I have to say that me and the family all had a great time with this new-fangled 'polarised' 3D in general, and 'Avatar' in particular, and thought it looked fantastic. We caught a RealD showing, and are all keen to see more 3D in future. Whether it comes near the quality of Cameron's epic efforts remains to be seen....
Someone somewhere reckoned they'd have preferred if the story had somehow instead been about the Human race joining forces with the Na'vi aliens to kick the ass of some other violent race that was oppressing them on Pandora....and I'd have liked to have seen that movie too.
However, I'm also okay with the 'Humans as oppressors' storyline we got in the end, and 'Avatar' certainly provided plenty of spectacle. Someone I know saw it in 2D only as he couldn't get into a 3D showing at the time, and he thought it was awesome that way too.
It's now been confirmed that there'll be a longer, extended Bluray version, by the way.
Speaking of which, here's a look at the new, official Bluray 3D logo - http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa175.html#010510b
Suddenly, all this 'home viewing' potential is starting to seem really close....
Baronlando said:
He said something like "after the first 10 minutes you don't really notice it's 3D".
Is that because there's only about 10 mins. 'converted' so far, I wonder? :)
There are different 'conversion' companies popping up, and I just hope a skillful one eventually handles the work. Those that have seen the initial short footage seemed to have been impressed with it though.
savmagoett said:
Oh sorry I got it wrong
it seems my English needs some improvements
No worries, as it's a tricky thing to see without looking at the actual onscreen motion, as I mentioned.
Although the gap between the 'leg-joints' would still end up wider than that seen elsewhere....it's just a 'visual compromise' that the positioning of Luke seems to allow for in the shot, but I reckon it would be better to get even the merest glimpse of a 2nd 'leg-joint' rather than only seeing the existing, single 'prop' one.
It's a shot that I always wished had been digitally improved for the SE in some way, compared to some of the other things that were focused on at the time.
And I wish my French was as good as your English already is, by the way. :)
savmagoett said:
If I get you well you're postulating that the two joints on this picture are moving nearer and further to one another as the ATAT walks, right?
Unfortunately, as I understand the working of an ATAT, it's not the case…
I think these two joints only rotate on themselves and stays exactly at the place they are in this picture, plus you never see those joints doing the movement you suggest in wider shots. So the forward joint should always be visible in the prop shots with Luke, just like Angel's mockup…
Nope. What I was mainly trying to get across was the subtle 'back-and-forth' movement that the actual camera shot has during that particular 5 seconds of footage....which would allow for a very subtle 'sliver' of another 'leg-joint' coming into the left-side of the frame a couple of times to match that subtle camera movement.
It's just a possible subtle addition that would take advantage of this slight camera movement, which would perhaps help to improve the discrepancies of the full-sized 'prop' a little. Even If this was done to match the slight camera movement as I described, the gap between the added 'sliver' and the existing 'leg-joint' would still be further apart than it is on the miniatures.
So the distance between the 'leg-joints' would still stay at an equal distance from each other in the shot, as you point out. That's what I was trying to get across, and the timing of the camera movement seems to allow for it.
Have to agree that I like the idea of the original 'Adywan' logo intro. being used in all the edits eventually too, certainly as far as the lettering itself appears, if not the background. And I'd be happy to keep hearing an 'Imperial March' cue whenever it appears too.
I remember one of my sons saying it was really cool when he first saw it. :)
Your version was still worth seeing though vaderios!
continued....
....so although the 'scaling' issues may have to slide, I reckon things would have tied better together if we could at least have seen the brief hint of an 'opposing leg-joint' coming in-and-out-and-in-again added during the approximate 5 seconds of 'prop' footage where Luke swipes upwards with his lightsaber....since the shot seems to show the AT-AT 'lurching forward' in motion slightly, and has matching sound effects already in place....
You'd really need to study the onscreen motion of this to see what I mean, but hopefully this gives a better explanation of how I think the existing footage could be tweaked -
....so in this first 'close-up' shot of the full-sized 'prop' when Luke's cable attaches, we would still continue to see a single 'leg-joint'....
....although when we immediately cut to the shot below showing Luke rising underneath ('Revisited' version - http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1153/image1q.jpg), we can see that the AT-AT's 'leg-joints' are actually quite close to each other on the miniature....
....and when we then immediately cut back to the full-sized 'prop' shot below (which lasts approximately 5 seconds), it seems to have a slight 'lurching' movement that would allow for the subtle addition of a hint of an 'opposing leg-joint' coming into the LEFT of the frame a couple of times....without it having to overlap Luke's body in any way, or get in the way of his lightsaber swipe either -
....at the very start of the shot below, the frame doesn't move at this point....
....and still doesn't move at this point as Luke begins to twist around....
....but at this point in the shot below (when Luke has nearly twisted fully around), the frame begins to move slightly to the RIGHT (while the LEFT-hand side of the frame seems to go upwards too), and so an 'opposing leg-joint' could now start to enter the LEFT of the frame by the same amount (as shown by the direction of the arrow)....indicating the AT-AT 'lurching forward' again....
....the frame continues to move slightly more to the RIGHT at this point in the shot below, and the 'opposing leg-joint' would also continue to enter the frame slightly more too (as shown by the direction of the arrow)....
....the frame still continues to move slightly more to the RIGHT at this point in the shot below (as Luke starts to activate his lightsaber), and the 'opposing leg-joint' would also still continue to enter the frame slightly more too (as shown by the direction of the arrow)....
....the frame has now stopped moving to the RIGHT at this point in the shot below (during the lightsaber activating), and so the 'opposing leg-joint' would come no further into the shot either (as shown by the direction of the arrow).... The full hint of the added 'opposing leg-joint' would now be at the same position as in the shot above....as if to indicate a very momentary 'pause' in it's 'movement' ....
....but now the frame starts to slightly move back towards the LEFT at this point in the shot below (as Luke begins to swipe upwards), so the 'opposing leg-joint' would also start to slightly move back towards the LEFT by the same amount (as shown by the direction of the arrow)....
....the frame continues to slightly move back towards the LEFT at this point in the shot below, so the 'opposing leg-joint' would also continue to slightly move back towards the LEFT by the same amount (as shown by the direction of the arrow)....
....the frame continues to slightly move back towards the LEFT at this point in the shot below, so the 'opposing leg-joint' would also continue to slightly move back towards the LEFT edge of the frame by the same amount....and would now disappear offscreen again....before Luke then goes on to fully swipe upwards and eventually deactivate his lightsaber....
....after Luke's lightsaber has deactivated, and he has twisted around from us, the frame begins to move slightly to the RIGHT again at this point in the shot below....and so we would also see the 'opposing leg-joint' again begin to enter the LEFT of the frame by the same amount as before....as if to indicate the start of another 'lurch forward'....
....before we immediately cut to the 'close-up' shot below, which shows Luke throwing a grenade inside just before he drops down....
I have no idea if any of this is possible or not....or if you've already done something or other with it. But see what you think if not.
vaderios said:
I made this mockup for an other reason showing how can be the shot with the other leg things
I know in motion cant be done... The shot doesnt help/support these enhancements
Adywan, as vaderios said a while back, the 'moving' shots involving the underneath of the AT-AT are unlikely to end up similar to his mock-up in your edit....which is a pity, as his version is a little closer to how the full-sized 'prop' should have looked to match the miniature's detail and proportions better in the first place....
But I realise that this could end up as one of those inconsistencies that pretty much has to remain as it stands, since this seems a tricky one to fix using the existing footage.
However, there is a little bit of 'camera movement' during this scene that I previously brought up, which I always thought could be used to improve things a little....but since it proved to be too confusing to describe properly at the time without a sequence of screenshots, I've now asked doubleofive for some mock-ups to help get across the 'motion' I was meaning, in a more effective way this time. (many thanks once again doubleofive)
This will need to be covered over 2 posts, and I'll recap on some of the mis-matches for the sake of everyone -
Firstly, here's how the detailing ended up looking on the suspiciously-small, single 'leg-joint' prop....
....which is very different to the how the 'leg-joint' detailing on the miniatures looked....
....and although a little blurry, this arrowed shot below (when the Speeders first pass the leading AT-AT) shows that the vertical/horizontal detailing on an AT-AT's 'overhanging side flap' should be centred on it....unlike how the full-sized 'prop turned out, where it is wrongly off-centred.... Also, when this particular shot is 'paused' at just the right moment (just as the last Speeder goes off-screen), the detail on the rounded ends of the 'leg-joints' can be more clearly seen, and are confirmed to be nothing like how the 'prop' details ended up....
....and reveals that the 'prop' should instead have more closely matched the onscreen miniature's 'leg-joint' details and proportions seen in these 'Master Replica' examples below -
(Here are links to many other good 'Master Replicas' AT-AT views too, by the way - http://www.rebelscum.com/mratat.asp and http://www.rebelscum.com/mratatv1.asp and http://www.rebelscum.com/mratatv2.asp)
continues in the next post....
karcreat said:
Heheh...ok, I'm gonna go 'off topic' for a sec here too, I miised this interview, but I gotta ask...did Jon bring up 'Howard The Duck' at any point? He just SOOO seems like he would....;)
If he really wanted to put GL on the spot, then he'd have been better off asking when he was gonna pony up for a decent GOUT release....
By the way, did GL mention anything of actual interest such as when a Blu-ray or 3D 'conversion' of his best-known property was forthcoming? Or was this truly just a waste of air-time at this point?
adywan said:
Well May 2010 is out of the question for a release date now. it's looking more like an end of the year release date now. Just so much left to do and so much left to build
I wondered if May was going to be realistically achievable, considering the amount of things you're hoping to build for this latest instalment, so this is very understandable, and not unexpected.
The kind of quality that you're aiming for takes time (and funds), but it's so fantastic that you want to actually re-build all the various elements you've mentioned previously....as this goes far beyond what I could have hoped for, and emphasised just how much of a 'special edition' this particular 'Revisited' chapter is really going to be, eventually.
By the way vaderios, your latest mock-up showing a somewhat similar effect to that ROTS monitor, looked very effective. :)
Jaitea said:
ImperialFighter said: .........quite a lot, and probably spot on, but maybe nobody would notice..... dont know if it would be worth-while changing
Happy New Year to all.
If all goes to plan, we'll have something to really look forward to this year, and it's gonna be very interesting to finally see everything that Adywan ends up choosing (or being able) to enhance for his latest edit.
I've certainly been amazed by the amount of subtle and not-so-subtle inconsistencies spotted by others so far that I never noticed before....some of which may have to remain in 'ESB:Revisted'. However, it's going to be a real treat to see so many of them being fixed now, no matter how small, just as it was with 'Star Wars:Revisited' too.
Okay, before things get out of hand with the 'drams' here, since doubleofive got these (scarily blue!) SE DVD shots for me sooner than I expected, I thought I'd finish off these comments to squeeze on here before year's end. Many thanks for these once again doubleofive. :)
Adywan, there was loads of neat stuff on your 'Luke's rescue' clip that was previewed a couple of weeks ago, such as the likes of the Falcon further back in the hangar....the hangar door only moving once to close....Ben's force aura....the burn effect on the Taun-Taun's belly....and the fabulous re-colouring - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJD6fUC7VxY&feature=related
However, I was especially pleased about how the 2 re-'flipped' shots turned out, so I wanted to show a couple of other 'reversed' shots (among other things) to do with this portion of the movie your clip just happens to cover, that I don't recall being brought up fully before....
When Han first appears early on in the movie, we can clearly see here that there is no 'insignia' badge on the top-LEFT of his coat at this point, unlike later scenes....
....and his macrobinoculars are hanging beside his LEFT side, with it's strap slung over his RIGHT shoulder. In addition, he happens to have a 'communicator' on his LEFT glove only (similar to Luke) and wears his gun holster strapped to his RIGHT side. (note the yellow ladders beside the X-wing here, as I'll come back to this too)....
....when we see Han wearing this coat again later on (just before he jumps onto a Taun-Taun), we can see that there is still no 'insignia' badge on his coat, and that his macrobinoculars strap is still slung over his RIGHT shoulder as he sets off....
....a little later, when Luke scrambles fully out of the Wampa cave and starts running, we can see that he has now attached his lightsaber to his utility belt....
....but when we cut to him falling over a snowridge, it seems the lightsaber is missing when he gets to his feet before the end of the shot....
....we now come to the start of the 'Luke's rescue' clip that I linked to above. This is our first view of Han since he left the Rebel Base to search for Luke. He is still correctly wearing the macrobinocular strap over his RIGHT shoulder like when he first set off.... And his 'communicator' is still correctly on his LEFT glove too....
....a little later, just after Luke finally collapses, we cut to this shot of the stop-motion 'Han on Taun-Taun'. I believe this to be a 'reversed' shot! ....because we can now see the macrobinoculars are hanging at his RIGHT side instead, and the strap is slung over his LEFT shoulder now.... Now it could be argued that the miniature was wrongly dressed, or that Han took off his macrobinoculars since we saw last saw him earlier (as seen in the above shot), and put them back on differently....but things still end up wrong due to shots that follow....
....because we now immediately cut to what seems to be another 'reversed' shot too! Although we can see that this matches the above shot because the macrobinoculars are on Han's RIGHT side, since the strap is over his LEFT shoulder....It's definately 'reversed'. If you 'pause' this shot along with the previous earlier 'close-up' of Han holding the reigns, you can also compare the folds in Han's scarf and the snow on the Taun-Taun's visible horn to see this is the case. This shot also now shows an 'insignia' badge (that was missing when he got on the Taun-Taun) which is on the wrong side to where it's actually meant to be, compared to shots that come after this.... I have to say that I'd love to see these 2 shots re-'flipped' rather than be a continuity flaw. We soon get used to re-'flipped' shots, and I don't see these spoiling the look of the flow before and after. Just my own 2 cents on this issue.
....so after Han dismounts and we immediately cut to the shot below, things are suddenly correct again, with Han's macrobinoculars on his LEFT side once more....
....and when we then immediately cut to this shot below, we can see that the macrobinocular strap is still correctly over his RIGHT shoulder, and that his gun holster is correctly strapped to his RIGHT leg, just as it was when he set off....
....just afterwards, we come to the scene below. Remember that 2nd shot from the top, showing the X-wing prop with the 2 ladders either side of it that Han passes? Well I believe this is the same prop....but you'll see that there is only a single, 'angled' yellow ladder on the other side of the cockpit to Leia now....
....which is fine, except when we immediately cut to the shot below, we now have another , 'vertical' yellow ladder beside Leia too....
....and here's a better look at it when we come to the shot a little later, where Leia walks away after the hangar doors are shut. I don't know if it can be 'added', or 'erased' to be consistent in all these shots that Leia is in or not, but there it is.
....soon after, we cut from a 'circular fade' of Chewie's head in front of the now-closed hangar to this shot of Luke below which 'pans' to the left over him with his face turned to the LEFT. This is yet another 'reversed' shot! His gun holster has previously been on his RIGHT side, and his glove 'communicator' has been on his LEFT hand. Also, his 'earpiece' has always previously been on his LEFT side of his head too. They are all wrong in this shot now.... As has been noted, there is a lot more snow on his back compared to the shots that follow....but it's the fact that Luke is 'reversed' which is the bigger bugbear for me. However, it's a problematic one to fix....
....because when we immediately cut to the shot below where everything is suddenly positioned correctly again....Luke's face is still turned to the LEFT....meaning that if the shot above was re-'flipped', it would have him facing to the RIGHT then before the cut....
....so Han finds him and dismounts, and we see that his macrobinoculars strap is still correctly over his RIGHT shoulder, as he goes over to help....
....although I'm convinced that his gloves are now BROWN instead of GREY during the 'close-up' where he asks Luke to give him a sign that he's okay! Although it's hard to tell amongst all the blueness, they certainly seem a little different in this brief shot, but revert to GREY again afterwards. Things look much better in the re-coloured 'clip' though, and it's no biggie compared to 'reversed' shots of course.
....and when Han drags Luke towards the Taun-Taun, the macrobinoculars are still correctly hanging by his LEFT side....
....but things went wrong again by the time we then cut to the shot below....but which has now been re-'flipped' correctly. And this now correct-way-round confirms that the 'insignia' badge should be on the top-LEFT side of the coat all along, in the shots it appears in.... Personally, I'd rather see this 'erased' from all the shots for continuity's sake if possible, as I imagine 'adding' it in the various early scenes is impractical.
....and we immediately cut to yet another 'reversed' shot that has now thankfully been re-'flipped'....
....and when we then immediately cut to the shot below, Han's gun holster is still on his RIGHT side indicating all's correctly in place with him at this point....
....and correct when we cut here too, as the top-LEFT coat 'insignia' badge and LEFT glove 'communicator' are in the right place....
....and things still look correct in the the later shot where Han waves to the Snowspeeder that finds them.
That's your lot for now.
Happy hangovers everyone!
Ha, you just beat me to posting that image Ganamae. :)
Wishing everyone here a very happy New Year for 2010.
The conditions are very 'Hoth'-like here in the Highlands at present. Slange!
Monroville said:
Also, is it me or is the entrance here much smaller than the one the Falcon escapes from?You know, here's an idea... as someone suggested a while back, there could be multiple entrances. I suggest putting the larger opening the Falcon escapes from BEHIND the Falcon in some of the scenes, indicating that this opening is a smaller one for the Taun-Taun patrol, as well as give the larger ships a larger opening to leave out of
at scene 2:08 you can see how wide the doors/opening is; should it be much bigger/wider? maybe if at the least the area on the left is pushed off and the center point of the doors closing is put much further to the left side of the screen (which would be enough to account for a larger opening that would allow the Falcon a way out). Or the door behind Chewie could be pushed to the right... anything to make the doors/ cave entrance big enough for the Falcon escape scene.
There's certainly two different entrances/exits mentioned....since we hear the Deck Officer tell Han "It's possible he came through the south entrance" and also "Sir, Commander Skywalker hasn't come in the south entrance".
Then later, at the start of Leia's orders to the pilots she says "All troop carriers will assemble at the north entrance"
This could account for the differring look of the entrance exteriors in the movie, but I'm unsure about which is which, and what one the Falcon exits from.
Are there any east and west entrances to the base too, or not, I wonder?
Monroville said:
vaderios said:
see this:
And tell me
I would imagine it would be dark (as it is stated that nightfall is approaching) but that you may not be able to see too much detail, as there would be a lot of wind and snowstorm type activity outside. I would also say that the Han outside shots need to be darkened (or at least how in some 80's films the upper half would be darkened - something to indicate that it is nearing nightfall).
Haven't had a chance to catch up here since 12th Dec. (apart from dropping by briefly with a Christmas day greeting), but things are less hectic now. Hope all went well for everyone over the festivities. Anyway, I just wanted to say that the 'Luke's rescue' preview clip released on the 16th was a pleasant surprise! Some terrific work once again Adywan.
As far as your mock-up above vaderios, the rest of the exterior scenes that are shown just after that entrance shot, such as the one below, aren't at that very darkened stage yet.
Although Han told the Deck Officer "....It's getting dark out there" shortly before he went looking for Luke, it's unclear just how long it will take before any dark 'nightfall' occurs on Hoth. But going by the shots that came afterwards, it doesn't seem to have fully arrived yet. Ady's final colouring looks suitably atmospheric in his clip though....
....and although a subtler version of Jaitea's excellent 'blizzard' mock-up would be neat in the various shots of the outside to tie-in with the other Hoth scenes at this point....if it doesn't work out, then I'd just be pleased to see the outside SE 'blueness' toned down a little to match the more subdued colour of the one in the GOUT a little more even....to better match with Ady's great re-colouration of the Hoth scenes that come just afterwards -
Loved those fur shots by the way. 'Hair straighteners' - inspired! :)
Will you be adding a little encrusted 'ice' effect to your Wampa's fur in places eventually, like the original 1st appearance puppet has? What did they originally use for that effect I wonder?
And great news on the monitor situation from Jacen.
Busy recently, but just checking in to wish everyone a very happy Christmas.
Hope to have some stuff of interest to show come the New Year. :)
Nice work on those doubleofive.
I especially like how you 'sliced' the comparison images diagonally at an angle, as that really draws your eye to the problem effectively in a single image.
Awesome first post Jacen.
Maybe Adywan can look on it as a present from Santa... :)
