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I read that the 'Patrol Hoggsquattle' box mock-up that SilverWook showed was done by Kyle Newman ('Fanboys' director and prequel apologist) - A neat job I thought, and I liked the name he gave it...but as I *really* like adywan's 'Nerf' ranch/'Nerf-herder' settlement idea, I'm now going to look on the 'rhino-pig'-doodah as actually being a 'Nerf' until I find out different. :)

The TMZ site sure seems to have a good 'source' at the moment...  Anybody wanna glimpse of J.J.'s half-built MILLENNIUM FALCON?  Well, here's 22 additional 'leaked' shots that also show a new style of 'X-Wing fighter' in it's very early stages, as well as more of the 'pig-creature' - http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/03/star-wars-episode-7-millennium-falcon-set-photos/ 

I concur! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hdIwGcOL9o

Darth Lars said:

I knew I had seen that gate before ....

Nice catch Darth Lars.  I'd have liked McQuarrie's hanging 'lantern'-shaped lighting to have been incorporated in the structure too, but good to see his unused concept referenced anyway.

*whispers* psssst...anyone wanna see 45 filthy leaked set pics which include a 'pig creature' from the upcoming movie? - http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/02/star-wars-episode-7-set-photos-secret-pics-new-creature/

adywan said:

I've been pretty busy lately so haven't had the chance to go through and read and reply to all the comments. Hopefully i will be able to shortly.

Always look forward to seeing your answers here. 

As well as some of the thoughts brought up about your recent 'canyon' clip, I'm hopeful that you'll also be able to cover some of the points raised about your 10 mins. long 'Bespin' preview that you first linked to on page 1196, too.  There were quite a few things brought up about that one afterwards at the time.

Welcome aboard Darth Venom, it's always interesting to see the different point-of-views on certain aspects. 

For myself, I thought the 'camera shake' effect inside the Stardestroyer bridge was a really neat addition, and effectively done.  While it's a new and visually-'stylistic' look to the shot, I definitely like what it adds to the scene. 

And while I came across a similar point made elsewhere about the 'debris' motion caused by the TIE laserblasts, it's not something that bothered me personally.  But your point is certainly valid in terms of assuming there's no gravity around that huge asteroid.  On the other hand I wouldn't have been sorry to see the 'orange glow' of the 'tiny asteroid colliding inside the pocket of the large asteroid' shot replaced with a small spray of 'debris' instead...but I also appreciate that adywan perhaps looks on *that* as an iconic, visually-'stylistic' moment in the asteroid sequence, too.  And there's no sound in space either, which is another dramatically-'stylistic' choice at the end of the day, where these movies are concerned...and thankfully so.

While there's been differing views over many things over the years on this lengthy thread, I've noticed a creeping impatience among some lately over anyone that still brings certain things up.  That's understandable at this late stage of 'ESB:R', but adywan has always seemed opened-minded to *all* opinions posted here (at least the respectfully-worded ones, of course) about even the slightest details that some would like to discuss...and I'm sure that will continue throughout the rest of this project until he announces he's done, *whatever* his own preferences are.

fishmanlee said:

Just curious, why was the new canyon needed again (it looks great BTW)? I missed the explanation of what were the problems in the original shot that are being fixed? continuity errors? or just adding things for heightened realism? (dirt from the TIE lasers etc?)

fishmanlee, while the overall 'canyon' sequence itself has a great momentum to it, the effects are very shoddy-looking in the original movie (and Spec. Edit. still) at that point, compared to the rest of the shots before and afterwards.

Here's a more detailed look at some of the reasons, which you may have missed - http://swrevisited.wordpress.com/2013/11/17/canyon-walls/

WOW!...again. :) 

You're certainly spoiling us at the moment adywan, as it seems like only the other day that we got the previous terrific clip of 'Bespin' too - I'm hoping you've had a chance to consider some of the thoughts about that one in my two long posts on page 1200, by the way.

As far as this latest clip goes, these were some of the worst effects shots that I hoped could be improved a little when you started ESB:R...but never in a million years would I have guessed that you'd eventually build your own 'canyon' miniature for a total re-shoot, which would come to dominate your wife's kitchen for too long!

Well, it was absolutely worth all the effort and inconvenience it must have caused you at the time, as these few seconds of footage are fabulous...as are all your other tweaks in the overall clip.

It's interesting to see all the totally new TIE *flightpaths* right from the start of the clip, for most of the shots involving them...and they are definitely all for the better, no matter how subtle some of the changes are.

As far as the 'canyon' shots themselves, I was going to say that I would have preferred the 'Falcon passing sideways towards us' shot (just after the TIEs exploded) to have shown the Falcon passing *closer* to our viewpoint, so that it was a little more like the original shot...but then you actually did that anyway in your tweaked 2nd version soon after!! :)

The 'rocky' detail of your 'canyon' walls look wonderful throughout, and match the look of things before and afterwards perfectly...and the composition of your first new shot especially (where the Falcon enters it and comes towards us with the TIEs behind it) is just marvellous.

Just a couple of thoughts as far as the other little tweaks you made afterwards...I was already very satisfied with the look of your TIE collision in your original clip, so no worries either way as it's just a subtle difference in speed either way...but I absolutely loved seeing the brief flashes of the Falcon's reddish/'rust' panels in it's close-ups in your 1st version...and was sorry to see them toned down to almost no colour in your 2nd version.  Personally, I preferred to see the Falcon's reddish panels in the shots where it closely passed our viewpoint, as you originally had them.

However, this sequence is definitely some of your best work yet as far as I'm concerned, so I'm glad you chose to put so much time and effort into it!  :)

adywan said:

Not working on anything at the moment apart from getting very drunk

Hope you've had a great birthday!

(liked the recent facebook page shots of your Dagobah miniature's progress, by the way)

Stiletto, I actually started a thread over on fanedit.org about this particular 3-in-one prequel edit last week...and was going to do the same here at the time, but you just beat me to it.  :)  

Unfortunately I missed out on seeing this edit too, as the Vimeo video had just been removed before I got a chance to check it out.  However, here's an in-depth summary of it (with a couple of screenshots) which you and others may find of interest - http://nerdology.tumblr.com/post/85248127225

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But here's something I thought worth mentioning -

When I read through some of the comments about it on the reddit.com link that you posted - http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/254wsq/someone_edited_star_wars_episodes_iiii_into_one/ , I noticed that there was *another* Vimeo link 14 comments down by someone called haier which was still working at the time. 

I presumed it was going to link to the STAR WARS:TURN TO THE DARK SIDE - EPISODE 3.1 edit by 'Double Digit' that all the commenters were talking about at that point...but it turned out to be a link to a completely different 3-in-one prequel edit called STAR WARS:A LAST HOPE instead!

As I was curious to see how it looked, I immediately downloaded it (using RealPlayer).  Unfortunately, I didn't manage to mention it here in time, before it too was removed.  However, I thought some of you might be interested in hearing some details about it, now that I've got some time to describe it -

First of all, I'm afraid I've completely forgotten the name of the person who put it up on Vimeo, as I didn't take note of it properly at the time (it was under a different name to that guy 'haier' who put the link up, I remember that)...but I recall that he mentioned in his video description that it was inspired by what we know of Topher Grace's edit, and that since Topher wasn't putting his version online, that he was putting a similar one up. 

And I also recall that someone who'd watched both 3-in-one edits said in the comments below the video, that he considered it a better version overall compared to the STAR WARS:TURN TO THE DARK SIDE - EPISODE 3.1 edit that was getting all the attention that day - of course, views on what *should* be edited out or kept in, vary wildly from person to person when it comes to prequel fan edits.  :)

(It's too bad that all the descriptions and comments also disappear when a video gets removed from Vimeo)

I haven't actually had a chance to watch the whole thing through yet, but I've checked how it starts and finishes...and it seems to be roughly similar to the online descriptions of Topher Grace's version, where we basically kick off with the 3-way duel with Darth Maul...and end on a shot of Vader.  But there's certainly bound to be plenty of differences between this cut and how Topher's edit turned out...as well as some differences compared to the STAR WARS:TURN TO THE DARK SIDE - EPISODE 3.1 edit too, judging by the description about that in the link I've shown at the top here. 

Anyway, here's some details on how the STAR WARS:A LAST HOPE edit starts and ends -

The usual fanfare music, logos and wording begin, followed by this scroll -

STAR WARS

Episodes l - lll

A LAST HOPE

There is unrest in the Galactic

Senate.  A separatist movement,

under the leadership of the

mysterious Count Dooku, has

made it difficult for the limited

number of Jedi Knights to maintain

peace and order in the galaxy.

Subsequently, the Galactic Senate

approved the creation of an

ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC

to assist the overwhelmed Jedi.

Meanwhile, Supreme Chancellor

Palpatine has secretly dispatched

two Jedi Knights, Master Qui -

Gon Jinn and his apprentice Obi -

Wan Kenobi, to put an end

to a shipping blockade led by a

dark lord named Darth Maul...

We then pan downwards to the usual roar of the red ship passing across our viewpoint towards the blockaded planet, as familiar music from the 'The Phantom Menace's 3-way Darth Maul duel now starts to fade in...

...and as the music swells, we then cut to the ship travelling downwards towards a bigger, circular blockade ship...

...and we then fade into a wide-angle shot of interior illuminated platforms as distant, tiny figures of Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are seen fighting Darth Maul just before he kicks Obi-Wan over the edge...

The remainer of this duel footage then continues uninterrupted right up till the point where Obi-Wan holds the dying Qui-Gon who asks him to train the 'chosen one' (and that's *all* of the 'Phantom Menace' footage that we see)...

...and we then fade into a Coruscant cityscape from 'Attack Of The Clones' and then see an elevator rising with small white words saying 10 years later on the lower right-hand corner, which are then 'swiped away' by a passing flying transport...

...and we then cut to the conversation between an older Obi-Wan and Anakin going to meet Padme in her quarters about guarding her, and continue onwards from there...

So that's how this edit starts out, and I know there's a deleted scene or two included further on, such as where we see Padme's family.  And now here's the way it's ending has been re-structured - 

...the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel is inter-cut with the the Yoda/Palpatine duel throughout, before Obi-Wan eventually walks away from the dying Anakin after telling him he was supposed to be the 'chosen one'...

...and we then cut to Padme lying inside the ship as she asks if Anakin is alright, as Obi-Wan looks on worried...

...and then cut to the ship taking off with C3PO at the controls...

...and then cut to the ship landing at the planetoid facility...

... and then cut to the medical droid telling Obi-Wan, Bail, and Yoda that although Padme seems healthy, they are losing her and don't know why...

...and then cut to Padme giving birth to Leia and Luke and naming them, before she dies saying there's still good in Anakin...

...then after we see Yoda looking sad, we then cut to Bail, Yoda, and Obi-Wan on the Tantive IV, discussing hiding the babies (with no mention of Qui-Gon afterwards)...

...then cut to the Tantive IV ship flying to Alderaan as Bail gives baby Leia to his wife...

...and after the close-up of baby Leia, we then cut to Obi-Wan arriving at the homestead on Tattooine, as he then gives baby Luke to Beru and Owen...

...and after they gaze at the twin suns in the distance, we then cut to the close-up of Anakin's metal arm slowly dragging himself along, as the Emperor's ship then lands and he finds him and kneels beside him...

...and then cut to the Emperor's ship landing on the Curasont platform, as Anakin is taken out on a medical stretcher...

...and then cut to Anakin now suited-up on a table as his helmet comes down, and the movie ends with the side-on close-up of his helmet being attached, and heavy breathing... - although I seem to recall reading somewhere that Topher's edit ends on the frontal shot of Vader after the table he's on rises up...I could be wrong about that, and it might end on the side-on close-up shot too, for all I know. 

(Note: The Vimeo video of the STAR WARS:A LAST HOPE edit was 2 hrs. 9 mins. 27 secs. long, by the way...and ended abruptly after the last shot of the helmet attaching, with no music or credits appearing afterwards)

So that should give you a rough idea of how this particular edit was structured, as far as it's beginning and ending go anyway - certainly something similar to Topher's shorter 1 hr. 25 mins. long version.  I just thought it was worth describing, seeing as it seems to have appeared around the same time as the STAR WARS:TURN TO THE DARK SIDE - EPISODE 3.1 edit that was getting all the attention last week. 

But at the end of the day, these kind of 'condensed' 3-in-one edits can't really satisfy me personally, as there's *much* more prequel footage that I'd still prefer to keep in my own versions eventually.  And there's also the fact that I agree with a lot of the points made in the very top link I posted above...and would rather include a lot more of Qui-Gon's character in the first place for instance, so that his death by Maul has much more of an effect by the time it happens.

But as an exercise in radically cutting the prequel footage down to a single, self-contained movie that can exclude the 'younger' Anakin and Jar Jar, I can certainly see how some might prefer this kind of 3-in-one edit.

Damn!!!...H. R. Giger has passed away... (there go my hopes for his involvment towards the look of Prometheus II)

http://www.kotaku.com/h-r-giger-has-passed-away-1575550732

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/culture/Alien_creator_H.R._Giger_is_dead.html?cid=38569780

Here's a couple more queries concerning your recent clip adywan, which I didn't have time to put in my previous post about it the other day.  And again, here's the link to the comparison clip for easy reference -

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=862811780401072&set=vb.223279371020986&type=2&theater

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1.  Your enhancements on the 'Bespin building/stormtrooper running towards the Falcon' shot seen at the 10 mins. 34 secs. mark are terrific.  It's amazing how it looks now compared to the very dark look of the current footage.  Good to see the re-colouration of the building and platform now matches with how things looked earlier in the movie when Han and co. initially met Lando, as well as the wall lights now matching.  And it's also great to see that you've added the correct 'ribbed' vertical columns either side of the doorway too, to match the ones seen in closer shots of the doorway set design.

But what I'd like to ask is this - It's great that you've re-coloured the 'white'-looking walls either side of the doorway to tie-in better with the 'brown'-looking building in most of the shots now...but will you also be re-colouring the shot where R2 exits the doorway in smoke/steam at the 9 mins. 56 secs. mark too?, as there are still 'white'-looking wall sections in that particular shot at the moment.

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2.  I remembered mentioning something ages ago about the 'pool of flashing red light' during the Falcon platform sequence, so I dug out my previous comments to check - see HERE

As I said back then, despite the 'reflection' from the small flashing red light not being in any other shots apart from where R2 opens the doorway to the Falcon platform, I think it works okay 'stylistically' rather than being removed.  And it's good to see that you've now added the 'reflection' to the shot where R2 exits the doorway in smoke/steam at the 9 mins. 56 secs. mark too, to tie-in better.

But there's something else I'd like to ask about this now - would you also consider adding a subtle hint of that same flashing red 'reflection' to the scene that comes just a little beforehand, where Leia, Chewie, and Lando are at the doorway of the Slave I platform, only a few minutes before?  

The merest hint of it could perhaps be shown at the very bottom of the frame when Leia and co. first run out of the doorway at the 4 mins. 46 secs. mark, just before the shot pans upwards a little to reveal the doorway's small flashing red light.  And then further faint glimpses of the red 'reflection' could be added where the stormtroopers are firing at them at the 5 mins. mark just afterwards. 

(I just reckon that the 'daylight' in the clip seems to have already darkened enough to be able to add a faint hint of the same 'stylistic' red flashing 'reflection' when Slave I takes off...as there's only 5 mins. or so separating the 2 platform scenes in the movie if the action is looked on as being in 'real-time' at that point...and this would tie-in well with how things look on the Falcon platform shots. 

Or do you think the 'daylight' at the Slave I take-off is still supposed to be a lot brighter than when we get to the Falcon platform a little later...and that it would be too bright to see any red light 'reflection' whatsoever at this point?...even though it's a 'stylistic' kind of 'reflection' like the one seen on the Falcon platform.  See what you think) 

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3.  As far as the small flashing red light that is seen above the doorway goes, it's missing altogether in the first couple of shots of the Bespin building when Han and co. first see Lando coming to meet them (those shots aren't in this clip, however)...but when we then cut to close-ups of Lando just afterwards, we can see the red light flashing in-between the 2 white lights either side of it.

(the thing is, the red flashing light does not seem to only come on when the doorways are open, as it's still seen to be flashing during the close-up Lando shots, even though the doorway has closed behind him again) 

So could you add the small red flashing light to those initial 2 shots where it's currently missing, to match with the close-ups of Lando?  Adding this light to them would tie-in with how the rest of the doorway shots look, as well as add a tiny bit of additional 'life' to both shots. 

In addition to that, I see that you've now added a red flashing glow above the doorway in your great new 'Bespin building/stormtrooper running towards the Falcon' shot at the 10 mins. 34 secs. mark - it looks great, and it's a nice additional tweak since your earlier comparison clip of it, seen here - www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxPEuoqyTkM

However, the 2 white lights are flashing on and off too in your latest version, even though those lights are static in all the other shots in the movie, and only the red light in the middle is seen to flash on and off usually...so would you consider making those 2 white lights static again, and add the flashing red light in-between them instead to match the rest?...or was your intention to give this particular doorway shot a slightly more dramatic-looking flashing effect overall, seeing as it was the leading to the climax of the platform scene?  

If so, cool beans, as it's just good to see *some* kind of flashing red light shown in that final shot of the building now! :)    

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4.  Coming onto something else now - your new shot of Luke hanging from the 'Vane' walkway at the 8 mins. 10 secs. mark has turned out excellent too.  And good to see that you've removed the 'strip' that runs down the right-hand side of the chasm, seeing as it wouldn't have been visible from that view-point.  I just wish that Luke's lightsaber had originally been placed a bit nearer to his right hand on the walkway, to make it more obvious...as I remember never even spotting it's current position amongst the other debris for years, and wondering how Luke got it back after he crashed out the window...until you pointed a large arrow at it ages ago! :)

But would you consider 'yellowing'-up the big 'flashing' railing light a bit, so that it ties-in better with the vividly yellow ones in the rest of the movie?  It's always bugged me a little how dull-looking the railing light in this particular shot looks compared to other shots of the railing lights...but no biggie of course.

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5.  And here's something to do with your marvellous new 'Vane' shots - on the initial 'zoom-in', I can just about make out that we no longer see the couple of tiny, white vertical flashing bits on the railings area of the walkway which are wrongly evident in the original.  It's a very minor thing, but good to see that only the tiny yellow lights atop the railing are flashing in your version.

But another couple of strange white bits are still seen at the same kind of position on the next, closer shot of Luke walking along the 'Vane' at the 10 mins. 45 secs. mark...except they are static now.  They are on the first vertical railing that Luke moves past on the walkway at the very start of the shot, and are noticeable as being static white blobs compared to the yellow flashing railing lights either side of them.

I've no idea what they are, but they shouldn't be there, so would it be possible to remove those 2 white bits from that shot too?...as they are nowhere to be seen on the railings in later shots of the duel, nor are they seen on the side of the 'Vane' when it's seen from a different angle, either.

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And here's a last few musings I've got concerning this clip - 

Seeing as the issue was recently brought up again, I agree it's best to keep the 'flipped' shot of the '2 stormtroopers firing' as it is, for a better 'flow' of showing who is firing at Leia just before she runs out towards the Falcon...but I don't really feel that re-'flipping' the 'R2 and Chewie running in corridor' shot would badly throw the look of things off at that point.

I'm not spotting anything to do with the set layout that would throw things out by the time we immediately cut to R2 reaching the doorway, nor when we then cut to the next time that Chewie is seen firing at other stormtroopers. 

While we're certainly used to seeing R2 and Chewie moving left to right in the current shot, I reckon we'd soon get used to seeing them going the other way, while keeping the previous 'Lando and Leia running' shot as it is, and also keeping the following 'R2 reaching the doorway' shot as it is too.  (for instance, I very soon got used to seeing the 'Stardestroyer firing at the Falcon' shot going the other way in 'SW:Revisited' compared to the original, even though the change seemed initially jarring) 

I'd been hoping to see this particular 'flipped' shot reversed since a long time, considering how noticeable the details on R2 and Chewie are as Bingo said.  But if you strongly prefer the current 'direction of movement' more than seeing the details reversed adywan, and you really feel it would look wrong to change to a 'camera angle' that shows R2 and Chewie moving from right to left at that point instead, then fair enough and cool beans once again.  Hell, it's not like I ever noticed any of these 'flipped' shots until my umpteenth viewing anyway!  :)

Then there's the new 'zoom-in' shot of the 'Vane', which is a triumph in motion - I really liked the original look of the 2 sets of red lights at the bottom of it in that shot, so I kinda wish you'd removed the middle red light from the underside of the structure during the shot where Luke is falling, rather than adding it to the 'zoom-in' shot...but I gotta say, I absolutely love how those red lights and the ones at the top of the 'Vane' now flash on and off!  Really brings additional 'life' to the shot, along with all your other enhancements.  :)    

It's just too bad that certain other trivial things will still have to remain unfixed due to various difficulties...such as the 'gate doors' that shut behind Luke inside the 'Vane' missing a few shots later (I'll just imagine that they 'retracted' again offscreen for some reason, before we see that section of the set again!)...or such as not being able to re-colour the prominent group of 6 dark 'vent' circles seen through the 'Vane' window to red throughout, right up until Luke crashes out, to tie-in with the others (but there's one or two other dark-looking 'vents' in other shots too, so it's no big problem really)...but the overall effect of all your new enhancements in this latest clip are just fabulous, whether big or small.  Even something as minor as the slight lengthening of Luke's lightsaber at the 7 mins. 13 secs. mark defininately helps improve the overall experience. 

So, yeah...Wow again, and little details count for a lot!  :)

HotRod said:

^^ WoW...You really don't want this film released anytime soon, do ya?? 

;)

Of course not, as I need this thread to continue indefinitely for the sake of your witty one-liners.  ;) 

(Seriously, I've been waiting expectantly for 'ESB:R's eventual release like everyone else these past years.  I'd have been gnawing my leg off if it hadn't been for the 'workprint' to keep me going in the meantime!  But I know adywan will still consider any little points that anyone may still have, right up until he's satisfied...even though he's thought of just about everything so far)

Wow!, that latest preview was a nice surprise adywan.  Fabulous work as always, and the combined effect of all your enhancements (whether big, small, or miniscule) throughout the whole clip blew me away.  :)

Anyway, here's some things that came to mind, so please bear with me -

I'm happy to admit that I was one of those who never actually noticed that 'Slave I's peeling paintwork and detailing was different between the 'Han being loaded aboard' shot and the 'taking off' shot, until Jaitea brought it up a few pages back!  Thankfully, you'd already sorted it perfectly anyway.  Remarkable stuff once again.

But something else struck me as really interesting in your new new shot shown in the comparison pics above - namely, that the main body of 'Slave I' is no longer raised higher above the landing platform, compared to the original shot... 

Now, although I personally used to like the original look of the ship perching/hovering(?) higher off the ground upon it's protruding 'Repulsor Generator' (as shown in this diagram) - http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/archive/0/0b/20081015144046!SlaveI_egvv.jpg , I can certainly understand the change, as your new positioning makes it tie-in nicely with the way it was shown lying very 'flat-to-the-ground' in 'Episode II' instead...as seen in this shot example - http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070815224521/starwars/images/9/99/Slave_I.jpg

(Bloody prequels... - due to that very different landing position seen in Ep.II, and because I didn't like the change of colour-scheme the ship was given, I've previously chosen to look at it as merely being a 'similar-looking' type of ship as 'Slave I'...but not actually THE 'Slave I' that older 'Boba' eventually pilots in ESB!  Of course, I sometimes prefer to look on the current versions of the official prequels as being nothing more than some kind of bizarre 'alternate universe' version of 'Star Wars', totally unrelated to the Original Trilogy movies altogether!  But I digress, and seeing as it's meant to be the same ship, I just wish George had also used something resembling the classic ESB colour-scheme for Ep.II in the first place, albeit newer and not so beat-up at that earlier point.  Ho hum)  :) 

However, as you're thankfully planning to revisit Ep.II one day anyway, then this new 'flat-to-the-ground' landing position in 'ESB:Revisited' will be one continuity difference less between your versions.  I could just continue to 'imagine' that 'Jango' uses a *different* ship in Ep.II, but on the other hand, I guess the likes of the protruding 'Repulsor Generator' and any other details that are seen to stick out a little beyond 'Slave I's underbelly can just be 'imagined' as retracting back inside a little, when it comes in to land...and retract back out again a little, as it takes off...  So it's all good at the end of the day.  :)

Anyway, coming to my *main* point about this particular new shot in ESB:R, I just wondered if there should also be a subtle hint of the 'boarding ramp' seen in Ep.II added to the right-hand side of 'Slave I''s main body when Han is being loaded aboard?  I only ask as the ramp noticeably juts out slightly further from the main body of the Ep.II version.  It's certainly no biggie, but for a better look at how the ramp fully extends and retracts on the Ep.II version, check out the 0 mins. 14 secs. mark, and the 2 mins. 41 secs. mark on this clip here -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tMZdrUx8eM

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Onto a couple of other small queries now, and here's a link to your latest clip to make things easier to refer to - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=862811780401072&set=vb.223279371020986&type=2&theater

1.  As a big fan of the additional 'life' that your added 'distant ships' bring to the city shots, is it possible after Boba's close-up to include even just one tiny, moving element in the background somewhere when we cut away to your new shot of Han being loaded aboard Slave I at the 4 mins. 16 secs. mark? And also/or to your new shot of Slave I taking off at the 4 mins. 51 secs. mark?

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2.  And I'm also a big fan of the idea of seeing an occasional 'slowly blinking' red light atop a building or two, again to add some additional 'life' and 'movement' to the city shots.  There's certainly the odd shot where that could potentially done, so again, perhaps you could consider if that's something that's worth doing or not.

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3.  And going back to something involving added 'distant ships' - I see you've altered the ones on your shot of Slave I seen through the corridor windows seen at 4 mins. 39 secs.  But because all three of them are moving in the same kind of *upwards* trajectory compared to the non-upwards trajectory we've seen of 'distant ships' in other shots up till then, it kinda makes it look that the ships are already starting to get the hell outta the city at that point...

...but Lando hasn't been seen to give his announcement yet at the 8 mins. 42 secs. mark which comes a good bit after that particular Slave I shot appears, so do you think it might be better if at least a couple of those new elements could revert back to just flying in a horizontal flightpath instead, still unaware of the announcement that Lando's about to make?

It now looks like the ships are evacuating already *before* he makes his announcement, if you see what I mean, because they are *all* travelling upwards in your new shot.  But if you were to consider altering things back to the more horizontal flightpaths that the current Blu-ray elements have, we would then get our first look at several ships evacuating upwards in your 'Lando and Leia in corridor with windows' shot seen at 9 mins. 47 secs. in the clip. 

I just think that would be a far more impactful and effective shot to initially see the reaction to Lando's announcement from a little earlier, and we then see all your further 'upwards trajectory' elements that continue to escape in other shots that come after that 'corridor windows' shot, of course.

(By the way, your lowered Slave I platform in that shot to the same level as our running heroes is a really neat improvement.  Love it!)

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4.  Another little thought about the 'Han being loaded aboard' shot - should the length of your new, thin Slave I 'shadow' be made *slightly* longer on the left-hand side of the shot to indicate the sun is beginning to lower in relation to the city at that point?  I'm not quite sure about this, but I think it might tie-in even better with the moody approaching 'evening' skies look of all your other terrific backgrounds, that follow soon afterwards.  Once again, see what you think.

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5.  And just a last little query - I see that the lights surrounding your Slave I 'landing platform' shots seen at the 4 mins. 16 secs. mark and the 4 mins. 51 secs. mark of your clip, are quite yellowish-looking compared to the very white ones that are seen on your Falcon 'landing platform' shots.  But should the Slave I platform lights be equally white as well?...or is this a slight difference you're choosing to do to differentiate the look of the two separate platforms?  Just curious.

(The new shot of Slave I taking off is also terrific by the way, and it's good to finally see that added 'canopy' in motion!)  :) 

DominicCobb said:

I have to admit the washed out grey DS was my least favorite aspect of ANHR.

Personally, that particular re-colouration was one of my absolute favourite aspects of Star Wars Revisited.  I'd be sorry to see that go for the HD version, but hey ho if so.

TMBTM said:

As much as I'd like Peter to play Chewie again (if he can physicaly do it), having him "filming" something  in may do not mean it's Episode 7; and even if it is for Episode 7 it could also be an unmasked cameo (and that would be sweet from J.J to do that kind of thing for Peter, IMO)

Good thinking, as THAT would be a 'cameo' appearance I'd be happy to see, if he can't physically play Chewie again.  Warwick Davis was seen in the crowd scenes in TPM, and I'd be pleased to see Peter Mayhew get a brief moment too in that case.

Nice, as I always meant to have a look at how his cuts worked out.

Hal 9000 said:

Going by the trailer, I'd bet his edit would be given a so-so rating if it were submitted to FE.org under another name. 

Perhaps, but who knows?...there just *might* be some moments of gold amongst his re-structuring that the trailer doesn't convey. 

Hey, I'll just be glad if Vader's not referred to as 'Ani' in this...  ;) 

This has recently been brought up over at Fanedit.org, but for anyone who hasn't seen this yet, here's a link to Topher's trailer for his Star Wars:Episode III.5 - The Editor Strikes Back edit on his own site - http://www.cerealprize.com/trailers/redux-of-the-jedi

It's also been mentioned on a couple of other sites too, including this one - http://www.slashfilm.com/topher-grace-star-wars-trailer/ , but the videos seem to have been pulled from those now.

While I have my own specific thoughts on how I'd like to edit the individual prequels for myself, I also like the notion of working out what footage I'd prefer to include in a single, 3 in 1 companion version too, someday. 

I like a lot of Topher's choices which have been previously detailed, and he's certainly managed a bold cut lasting only 1 hour 25 mins., considering he's brought it down from almost 7 hours worth of footage in total.  But there's certain things he's included that I wouldn't...and 'flying' CGI Artoo is one of them! :) 

I'd still be interested to see what he came up with one day, but it would be neat if he even just released a comprehensive look at his 'cut-list', eventually.

And here's an article which shows the trailer he cut for his recent private showing of his Close Encounters of the Third Kind: The Remix version too - http://www.slashfilm.com/trailer-and-report-from-topher-graces-remix-of-close-encounters-of-a-third-kind/  

Just to add my own appreciation of how your 'speeder flaps' have turned out.  Things are looking great in motion and nicely subtle, as usual.  Tremendous stuff, and liking the C3PO update too.

I continue to marvel at the sheer amount of work you're putting into your ongoing 'revisited' versions.  These additional 'speeder flaps' are really going to transform some of the cockpit shots for the better.

Very pleased with that terrific new Hoth generator shot, thanks for the preview.

Seems the mighty ILM is setting up a division here in the U.K. to work on this thing also.  Nice to know some of our local effects guys will be involved.  (now if only our very own adywan could pop by to say hello sometime, heh...) -

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/star-wars-leads-ilm-launch-679678 

darth_ender said:

ImperialFighter said:

Possessed said:

Be right back.

Thanks Possessed, I just found that out after I posted.  Hopefully things will be back on track over there before too long.

 Avast keeps blocking the site, telling me the page is infected :(

Yeah, it seems that certain messages are appearing depending on which browser you use.  Things are definitely ongoing over there for the time being, and it's now showing the message 'Bathroom Break' today for me. :)