ImperialFighter

Thanks for your usual heroic efforts to get comparison stills up for us doubleofive. It’s very much appreciated!

As well as the stand-out repositioning of Vader/Piett which I mentioned above, there’s a wealth of other incredible alterations during this clip which I’d like to praise too -

I love the additional ‘underside edge of the city’ as the Falcon evades the TIEs at the start - a small but effective addition when seen with the rest of the previous ‘underside’ footage beforehand.

The GREEN lights are an excellent change too, and really brings back how the old Falcon interior looked (as well as matching how it still looks in TFA, of course)

The shot of the Bespin planet as the Falcon and TIE’s leave it behind is exceptional now - a terrific enhancement, with just the right amount of subtle ‘lensflare’ included.

The additional ‘steam’ which swirls around as R2 falls backwards is excellent too…and that slight new ‘howl’ from Chewie is the cherry on the cake.

The wide shots of Vader on the bridge look tremendous also, with their new ‘steps’ etc. - and the new bridge crewmember at the entrance is a very welcome addition indeed.

The final shot of Vader exiting the bridge into the ‘control room’ section is one of my favourite alterations in this whole clip! - adywan actually initially added a different version of the ‘control room’ section to this shot in his ‘workprint’, and it looked equally magnificent. For instance, it’s ceiling details were different, and it had some of the pinkish/red ceiling lightstrips seen when Ozzel first makes his appearance in the movie…and it immediately brought back the look of that section’s first appearance in the movie.

…so I was surprised to see that he had gone to the effort of changing how this shot looked in the latest clip. However, I see that he’s now managed to include an additional ‘pillar’ which was seen in the earlier shots of the ‘control room’ section…which ties things in nicely too, even though we’ve lost the likes of the pinkish/red ceiling lighting now - I would have liked to have seen a hint of that lighting retained as a ‘compromise’, but I guess that adywan decided that none of it should be visible from this angle anymore. Either way, this is a phenomenal addition to tie-in the bridge with the ‘control room’ section when Vader steps down now.

The additional fleet ships and enhanced ‘glows’ on the ship engines at the end have really improved things too, but a big shout-out must go to the addition of the ‘medical bay’ in the small section on the side of the medical frigate when it first moves past us - this was always going to be a tricky portion to insert as the ship passes in the shot…and I’d have been content if it had even only been given a slight ‘glow’ to suggest some lighting from within. However, the clever solution of having an outer ‘viewport cover’ slowly opening to reveal just a subtle glimpse of the droids and other elements in the interior at this point…is pure genius!

And let’s not forget how wonderful the new re-colouration, cgi ships, and starfields look too…

It all adds up to AWESOME!

One little thing concerning C3PO too…

In addition to the neat fix where he holds up his missing leg so that it matches the previous shots…adywan has also managed to make his other leg completely SILVER during his scenes where R2 is welding it! 😃

The suddenly GOLD front ‘shin’ section during those shots always bugged me, so thanks for that too adywan!

(perhaps you could add that info. to your comparisons doubleofive, or include the close-up shot of it even?)

The recent new clip has some outstanding work by adywan once again. A LOT of the stuff in this sequence of the movie was unfinished on his exclusive ‘workprint’ from a few years ago, and I’ve been especially keen to see how the messed-up positioning and backgrounds featuring Vader would turn out eventually…

…as it turns out, the whole thing is an absolute triumph, and works bloody marvellously now! 😃

Whenever I used to watch this scene in it’s original editing, I used to have to ‘imagine’ that after Vader first spoke to Piett on the right-hand alcove of the EXECUTOR’s bridge…that he then watched the Falcon from that side alcove window when we returned to our first close-up of him…and that he continued to ‘speak’ to Luke from that same alcove window when we returned to him again…and that he’d only ended up moving (unseen by us) to the very front windows of the bridge before the Falcon went to hyperspace, at some point during the last moments where we reverted back to the inside of the Falcon - this was the best I could make of Vader’s original positioning for myself, but some of the backgrounds during Vader’s close-ups looked distractingly wrong, regardless…

But not anymore! - the whole of Vader’s positioning on the EXECUTOR’s bridge flows smoothly and obviously now, and soon after his initial talk with Piett, he is shown to walk directly to the front of the bridge when we next see him in this version …and that establishing shot, along with all the latest properly-matching Vader backgrounds that follow, make for some terrific consistency in the scene now.

Then there’s also the matter of Piett’s shots…as like the Vader shots, there was problems there too - as it looks like Piett nods downwards at the commander of the bridge ‘pit crew’ which seems close to him…except it shouldn’t be right beside him, as Piett is in a part of the ‘control room’ set which is supposed to be a good distance away from the bridge ‘pit’…and even worse, the commander and ‘pit crew’ do not belong to the EXECUTOR superstardestroyer in the first place…as they are the same actors who were seen earlier in the movie aboard Captain Needa’s AVENGER stardestroyer!

However, for adywan’s ‘workprint’, he’d actually re-done this differently to the final version we see now - he’d only re-used the first-half of the earlier Piett shot (which comes after Needa’s death), where he starts off saying “Alert all commands…”, and then cut to an earlier shot of the AVENGER ‘pit crew’ as we heard the words “…ready for the tractor beam” - and this was still an improvement over the original version, because at least it looked like Piett was further away from the ‘pit crew’ in the ‘control room’ section at this point…

…but it still wasn’t perfect unfortunately, as it still had those same AVENGER stardestroyer ‘pit crew’ actors in the scene…and even more disconcerting for me, the re-used, earlier shot of Piett still included Vader walking away from him and exiting the bridge in that unfinished version…which made it almost look as if Vader had suddenly ‘gone off to the loo’ at this point in the proceedings, compared to where he was meant to be…at the front of the bridge!

…of course, I shouldn’t have worried…as the scene has ended up being altered in the BEST possible way now, as far as I’m concerned - because the shot of the AVENGER ‘pit crew’ actors has been removed altogether, and although a slightly longer portion of the earlier Piett ‘control room’ shot has been re-used…it’s now changed to have him saying “Alert all commands, ready for the tractor beam”, rather than the “Alert all commands, deploy the fleet” line he said in the same shot earlier. This, combined with the fact that adywan has magically managed to REMOVE Vader walking away from Piett in the shot (and replace him with a couple of bridge crewmembers instead), give this new shot a sufficiently different look and feel to it now at this point…and it works PERFECTLY as a substitute for the original imperfect footage!

I am exceedingly impressed and happy with how this has all turned out. 😃

DuracellEnergizer said:

ImperialFighter said:

I’ve decided I’ll enjoy STAR TREK DISCOVERY a whole lot more if I look on it as being set in an ‘alternate universe/timeline’, with NO connection to the original show’s ‘prime’ universe/timeline and characters whatsoever. 😃

If this is anyone but Steve Allen, you’re stealing my bit.

Steve Allen? Is that any relation to Tim Allen from that other ‘alternate universe/timeline’?.. - cdn1.sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/galaxy-quest-poster.jpg

TV’s Frink said:

Isn’t this thread a bit on the spoiler-ish side?

Indeed it is, and this is my last dip into it for now. To be specific, I’ve enjoyed the various reveal pics and trailers up till now, but want to keep the latest footage and dialogue for my initial viewing of the movie itself. But I’ll be back here after it’s release to see what everyone thought of it.

I happened to catch a comment about how this latest trailer was a bit on the ‘spoiler’-ish side, so have decided NOT to watch it. I’m sure it’s great, but I’m at the stage where I’d like to keep the majority of the movie’s footage fresh for myself this Christmas. So time to take leave of this particular thread, methinks.

(luckily, I had adywan’s latest clip tweaks to keep me going instead) 😃

Just noticed on the Facebook page that there’s about to be another ESB:R clip released over the weekend at some point, as a thankyou for some additional help over there.

Between that and tomorrow’s new ROGUE ONE trailer, I feel the anticipation rising in me. 😃

Still no aliens in that latest poster, so just to compensate a little - www.flickeringmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Rogue-One-A-Star-Wars-Story-2-1.jpg

But the big news is that it seems we’re getting the next ROGUE ONE trailer tomorrow…

TV’s Frink said:

Hey guys, we (well not me) are working on an article on FE and could use some more examples of Color Grading and Color Correction. See below for original post over there:

I’m starting to pull together some clips and resources to talk about color grading, color correction, the difference between the two, and the impact that a colorist has on the emotional tone of a film. I’ll use this stuff in the first part of the video before I go into the mechanics of how to change color.

examples of heavily graded films (intentional extreme color):
O’Brother Where Art Thou
Mad Max: Fury Road
Schindler’s List

examples of films that have been regraded after theatrical release (where “color correction” can be used for preservation purposes)
The Matrix
Lord of the Rings trilogy
The French Connection

Classic modern orange/teal examples:
Star Trek Into Darkness
Transformers - Revenge of the Fallen
The Imitation Game
Hot Tub Time Machine

More examples would be appreciated.

Quick question TVF - I’m guessing this is the article that ThrowgnCpr was recently proposing to do over there? But I can’t seem to find the post that you’ve quoted above, so can you let me know what forum section it was posted on please? Thanks.

By the way, I haven’t got enough time to rant on about my own thoughts on the wholesale re-colouration of some of my favourite movies over the years at the moment (either deliberately by certain directors, or carelessly when transferred to blu-ray)…but there’s a heap of maddening info. to be going on with in this old thread for starters - www.originaltrilogy.com/topic/Movies-with-wrong-color-grading-UPDATED/id/15873//page/1

Hmmm, all the recent official comments about the various ‘re-imagined’ elements have definately made up my mind about how I’m going to approach this upcoming show now.

Personally, I’m hoping that this latest STAR TREK ‘spin-off’ turns out to be a very watchable success…however, I’ve no doubt that it will end up having a very different look, and tone to the classic show in many ways…and despite the fact that it’s ‘supposed’ to be a ‘pre-TOS’ story/setting in the same ‘prime’ timeline as the original show, it’s looking more and more like there’s going to be a lot of ‘re-designing’ of familiar TOS elements overall - which is fair enough…but I’ve decided I’ll enjoy STAR TREK DISCOVERY a whole lot more if I look on it as being set in an ‘alternate universe/timeline’, with NO connection to the original show’s ‘prime’ universe/timeline and characters whatsoever. 😃

Thanks for the preview. The scrolls look great!

Y’know, as one of those who was lucky enough to experience the Original Trilogy in the heady days of their initial BIG SCREEN release, this topic reminds me that many future viewers of the STAR WARS ‘saga’ will only be getting their introduction to these movies through mere tv showings such as this…rather than being able to see them in the same ‘cinematic’ way that me and my mates were able to at the time. And that kinda saddens me.

Not only that, but…

1. The new ‘default’ viewing order of the movies in showings like this means that newbies are no longer seeing the ‘saga’ in it’s original ‘theatrical release’ order…which results in things kicking off with bland talk of ‘trade negotiations’ and Jar Jar’s introduction, rather than with the epic ‘Blockade Runner/Stardestroyer’ opening and ‘Rebel vs Stormtrooper’ battle’ which culminates in Vader’s entrance’…

(just as George ‘intended’ them to be, I know…but still)

2. …and even if these new viewers manage to stick with the ‘saga’ past chapters I - III in this new ‘default’ order, then they will likely only be going on to ‘experience’ the Original Trilogy’ chapters through the prism of the 2011 Blu-ray ‘special edition’ versions (and all their associated problems)…

3. …and each of these movies will be unmercifully chopped up with ads throughout these types of showings…

Hell, I’d prefer to know that these movies were only available on the likes of ‘Netflix’ in future…as at least they could be seen without the ads if nothing else!

Bah, I’m so glad I got to enjoy these movies in the full-blown, undiluted way I did, back in the day…on a HUGE screen with great (for the time) booming cinema sound…without having the Jar Jar or li’l Ani antics beforehand.

Tobar said:

50 Years!

Here’s 3 additional vids which I came across recently which I quite liked too -

(some nice editing in this) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWkNxlduzQQ

(love the guy wearing the ‘Gorn’ head!) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktPb36iLsIE

(almost 40 mins long, but a great watch) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzi6CmUDabQ

But dammit Jim, I’m still miffed that Paramount didn’t end up organising a ‘remastered’ blu-ray of ‘ST:TMP-THE DIRECTOR’S EDITION’ to tie-in with the show’s 50th anniversary!

Meet Darth Detoo - www.jalopnik.com/another-rogue-one-droid-has-been-revealed-and-its-an-r2-1786021873

(I’m quite pleased about this, as I always liked the black ‘Death Star’ astromechs)

I’m liking the ‘Deathtroopers’ shot amongst these - www.makingstarwars.net/2016/08/new-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-images-surface/

I wonder if ‘Director Krennic’ has his own ‘Stardestroyer’? Or does he just happen to be aboard a standard one? Or is he aboard the ‘Executor’ even? (although I’m not sure if it already existed pre-ESB or not)

Tyrphanax said:

Yeah, I liked that scene in the first trailer because her look and the way she says it felt more to me like she was mocking the Rebels use of the phrase than being genuine about it, and that made me really happy.

Hmmm, I gotta say that I liked Jyn’s line reading from the first trailer too. It reminded me of the fact that Han said the phrase to Luke when he was initially about to leave the rebels to it, in ANH…even though he didn’t really believe in it. I got that same impression about Jyn’s attitude to ‘The Force’ from the first trailer, but this more earnest version makes it sound that she does believe in it - which would make for a very different character trait if that’s the case.

Oh well, at least it’s good to see that the ‘forehead gash’ has been re-instated after all the fuss. 😉

SilverWook said:

I don’t think Threepio’s silver leg in the OT ever got this much scrutiny. 😉

Actually it did…as during the scene where R2 is ‘welding’ the seated one-legged C3PO aboard the Falcon towards the end of ESB, it turns out that for some reason he’s suddenly got a GOLD front shin section on his otherwise SILVER right leg…whereas before and afterwards his right leg has SILVER front and back sections as normal. 😉

I mentioned it on adywan’s ‘ESB:Revisited’ thread yonks ago, but I don’t know if he can do anything about it or not.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Bizarre Droid Marriage Customs, are Bizarre.

If this is the new ‘canon’ explanation, that would be bizarre indeed. I’ll wait to see what the sequel brings…

canofhumdingers said:

And regarding threepio’s arm, he has a line (to bb-8 I think) about needing to get his normal arm reattached. Then later we see he has done just that. I agree it’s a little awkward and not very clear, but the pertinent info IS in the film.

Correct, at the point where Leia and Han meet up facing each other, he walks offscreen with BB-8 saying “Yes, I must get my proper arm re-installed”.

It comes across as an off-the-cuff line, and it’s easy to miss as you watch Leia facing Han, but it’s there. And I admit I just never picked up on the fact that he’d gone ahead and done it in that last ‘group’ shot!

However, it still doesn’t explain ‘why’ he had the red arm attached in the first place, so if he’s got it back on at any point during the next movie, I just think it would be quite neat to actually hear the ‘official’ explanation briefly. But if he’s back to the gold one from now on, while it would still be nice to have it explained onscreen, it won’t really matter…as that little snippet of dialogue at least explains the swap by the end of TFA.

(as a little aside, there seems to be a ANOTHER protocol droid very close to C3PO and Leia during that final ‘group’ shot - a RED one as it happens…and if C3PO sticks to his gold arm in future without any kind of explanation about it in the next movie, then I might just as easy imagine that it had something to do with that particular droid, for some unknown reason!)

I return you all back to our regular ROGUE ONE programming.

LexX said:

Here’s a better link and a nice bedtime story by the man himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOuF2yh1lKU&t=47m15s

Just a thought, but with C3PO reverting back to his golden arm during his last shot in TFA, I wonder if it will stay that way or not when he’s seen again in the next movie?

If it stays gold without any explanation whatsoever, then that might leave a lot of people who don’t know it’s ‘backstory’ scratching their heads…whereas if it’s back to red again without any explanation, then it will remain looking as if it’s been a continuity mistake…

But there could be a nicely poignant moment to be had in the next movie, if C3PO actually summarizes the reason he wears it sometimes…and I’m kinda hoping that this happens now!

Anyway, back to the…er…‘speculation’ about what ROGUE ONE is going to bring.

Damn…

Sad news, little Kenny Baker has died.

(I just saw this over on the ‘deaths’ thread in the ‘Off Topic’ secton)

Lord Haseo said:

I agree and the red arm thing was beyond strange. It’s not explained what happened to his original arm and then when Rey and Chewie are going to Ahch-To his arm is fixed. It’s a nitpick but it was still weird. At least R2 looked good.

I can’t believe I didn’t notice that before!

After all the ‘backstory’ attributed to the ‘red arm’ thing, is J.J. messing with us in this final shot of C3PO?..as he’s even waving his intact left arm at us all…

I demand a new all-gold TFA figure that looks like this! 😉

When I saw my first preview pic of C3PO, I initially thought it signified something to do with the ‘First Order’ - due to the fact that there’s a lot of red in their symbolism. Even the new TIES have a flash of red on them. To be honest, seeing as it had nothing to do with that theory, I didn’t care for the look of the red arm…and would have preferred if he’d been given a silver arm or black arm instead. Picky, I know.

Anyway, here’s a good link that ‘explained’ it all back then. I didn’t see this at the time, but I note from the comments below that someone did spot this anomaly in C3PO’s last moments. - io9.gizmodo.com/so-now-we-know-how-c-3po-got-his-red-arm-in-the-force-a-1770741572

And having now come across this particular article, it seems to give the unsatisfactory reason as to ‘why’ C3PO is back to normal at the end… - sploid.gizmodo.com/10-hidden-secrets-in-the-star-wars-the-force-awakens-1770455261

With the way that certain trailers completely give away too much these days, I would certainly agree with those who wish to give them a wide berth, if they really want to see a movie as un-‘spoiled’ as possible. Although the ones for THE FORCE AWAKENS were reasonably vague about things, I’m gonna try and do that with the next instalments of the ‘sequel’ trilogy. But I’m actually not too bothered about keeping away from all the future ‘standalone’ movie news, however.

So with that in mind, I’ve just stuck a ‘leaked’ version of the recent unseen ‘Celebration event’ ROGUE ONE trailer over on page 24 of the ‘spoilers’ thread only. 😉

Kylo Ren has some thoughts about the new ROGUE ONE trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CehVgQ43pn0

Smithers said:

livecraig1 said:

Also would you be able to edit Qui Gon into Anakin’s father to remove the virgin birth?

I’m removing th e virgin birth but no, I’m not able to do that unless there’s some material out there that would allow me to. I would have to explain that they’ve both met before and I just don’t see how that’s doable. Not to mention it kinda sounds weird 😕

…and it’s bad enough that poor Shmi was left in the clutches of Watto by Anakin all those years as he got older, without Qui-gon not having been able to use any of the Jedi’s resources to free her up for his 'son’s sake either!

(on the other hand, it might have been a bit awkward for Qui-gon to explain to Yoda and Mace why she was hanging around the temple so much, if he’d done so…) 😉

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

They had to kill off Han in part in case Harrison Ford died before they could film VIII. You can’t start off the crawl with, “Han Solo has died in a freak rathtar accident.”

I find your lack of faith in Harrison to live a little longer, disturbing.

Hell, I still expect him to complete another Indy movie to make up for KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL yet! (although it wasn’t his fault, I know)